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AT&T: We will terminate your account if you keep pirating
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article published on 15 September, 2013
AT&T, one of the ISPs that participates in the Copyright Alert System and its "six-strikes" system for copyright infringers, will in some cases terminate your account entirely if you are a repeat offender.
The CAS' main goal is to educate Internet users about copyright, whilst showing off legal alternatives.
Initial alerts will tell customers that their Internet is being used for unauthorized ... [ read the full article ]
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15. September 2013 @ 14:44 |
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The problem with this is they really do not know if the download completed and if the file in question is real compared to the name. I suppose they could be using packet inspection to determine the file information but do they know for a fact that the file actually downloaded? Was it the full movie or a trailer?
I guess if you are going to pirate you need to be smart about it and use some sort of proxy for your torrents.
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15. September 2013 @ 15:47 |
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I just take the at&t sim card and use wi-fi to download anything I want.
Live Free or Die.
The rule above all the rules is: Survive !
Capitalism: Funnel most of the $$$ to the already rich.
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15. September 2013 @ 15:50 |
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Originally posted by Mrguss:
I just take the at&t sim card and use wi-fi to download anything I want.
Hmm Didn't realize AT&T uVerse/DSL modems had sim cards.
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15. September 2013 @ 15:55 |
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Originally posted by bobiroc:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
I just take the at&t sim card and use wi-fi to download anything I want.
Hmm Didn't realize AT&T uVerse/DSL modems had sim cards.
I only use smartphones from them.
Live Free or Die.
The rule above all the rules is: Survive !
Capitalism: Funnel most of the $$$ to the already rich.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 15. September 2013 @ 16:00
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15. September 2013 @ 15:57 |
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Originally posted by Mrguss:
Originally posted by bobiroc:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
I just take the at&t sim card and use wi-fi to download anything I want.
Hmm Didn't realize AT&T uVerse/DSL modems had sim cards.
I only use smartphones from them.
Well this article was referring to AT&T as an ISP meaning their DSL or uVerse service.
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15. September 2013 @ 16:03 |
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My best bet is that they over charge, right!
I only pay $19.99 a month using Cox (2yrs. deal); on top of that I use TPB or Tor Browser (always update) and no problem here.
Live Free or Die.
The rule above all the rules is: Survive !
Capitalism: Funnel most of the $$$ to the already rich.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 15. September 2013 @ 16:16
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SoTired
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16. September 2013 @ 12:45 |
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I don't understand why AT&T feels the need to take on the role of piracy cop.
I ditched AT&T wireless almost 4 years ago, and I ditched their DSL last year. Best moves I ever made. Their sub-par technology (in my area at least) and ridiculous policies repeatedly demonstrate that they are less interested in servicing the customer than controlling the customer.
Good riddance.
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16. September 2013 @ 12:49 |
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Originally posted by SoTired:
I don't understand why AT&T feels the need to take on the role of piracy cop.
I ditched AT&T wireless almost 4 years ago, and I ditched their DSL last year. Best moves I ever made. Their sub-par technology (in my area at least) and ridiculous policies repeatedly demonstrate that they are less interested in servicing the customer than controlling the customer.
Good riddance.
This is pretty much being mandated by the government you know... I am pretty certain all ISPs are going to be required to use this method of warning pirates soon if they do not have to already.
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doowop72
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16. September 2013 @ 12:50 |
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What good really is a tor browser or TPB browser? Once you connect to the peer list, you are wide open, unless you are routing your traffic elsewhere.
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16. September 2013 @ 13:01 |
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Originally posted by doowop72:
What good really is a tor browser or TPB browser? Once you connect to the peer list, you are wide open, unless you are routing your traffic elsewhere.
There are proxies/encryption you can add to your torrent programs that will mask what is being downloaded. The ISP will see data is coming in but not what the data is.
But you did not hear that from me ;)
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Bozobub
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16. September 2013 @ 13:48 |
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You CAN route all your traffic through Tor (including peers), at least with Vuze and uTorrent, but that's also an abuse of the Tor network. It's also impractically slow.
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numscull
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16. September 2013 @ 14:44 |
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Oh boy, ATT rates will be raised to pay for the monitoring costs. I will be shopping around soon. ATT will be losing more customers by pricing them out of the market than by scaring them away.
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SoTired
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16. September 2013 @ 14:57 |
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Originally posted by bobiroc:
Originally posted by SoTired:
I don't understand why AT&T feels the need to take on the role of piracy cop.
I ditched AT&T wireless almost 4 years ago, and I ditched their DSL last year. Best moves I ever made. Their sub-par technology (in my area at least) and ridiculous policies repeatedly demonstrate that they are less interested in servicing the customer than controlling the customer.
Good riddance.
This is pretty much being mandated by the government you know... I am pretty certain all ISPs are going to be required to use this method of warning pirates soon if they do not have to already.
Some governments in Europe have mandated this stuff, but not in the US. This is just AT&T being meddlesome.
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jookycola
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16. September 2013 @ 16:39 |
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Heres what I dont understand. usually what I download are TV shows. I missed it tuesday night, so i download it thursday and watch it friday. Then usually I delete it. These shows are shown for free on TV. FREE
How is it a crime that Im downloading something free? Whats the difference? I think its a crime to offer something free to watch, then say we have to pay a streaming service to re-watch it. I dont do DVRs anymore, it seems the HDDs are always crashing every year or so in those things plus you pay rent on them monthly.
this will come back and bite them in the ass. how are you going to keep customers if you ban them?
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Bozobub
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16. September 2013 @ 17:04 |
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Well, they DO have an argument. Essentially, most downloaded shows do not include the associated ads from a given broadcast. Furthermore, the network has no way to prove # of eyeballs that see those ads, even if they are not removed (which almost never happens, anyway). They really are seeing a direct harm to their bottom line.
Now, don't get me wrong! I'm an inveterate pirate, myself, of all sorts of entertainment media, from video games to movies; I'm definitely not trying to say I'm better than you in any way. But don't be dishonest with yourself, either; it really *IS* wrong, although it does not happen to be "stealing". In fact, it's the *civil crime* of "intellectual property violation".
Both sides of this issue have several less-than-honest points they love to belabor =/ ...
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hearme0
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16. September 2013 @ 18:15 |
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Originally posted by Mrguss:
I just take the at&t sim card and use wi-fi to download anything I want.
This is most likely applicable to HOME INTERNET.
And it's understandable so no one should bitch! At least they give a heads up when account is in serious and dire question.
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hearme0
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16. September 2013 @ 18:17 |
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Originally posted by Mrguss:
My best bet is that they over charge, right!
I only pay $19.99 a month using Cox (2yrs. deal); on top of that I use TPB or Tor Browser (always update) and no problem here.
Yet another leech that sincerely justifies their rampant piracy.
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17. September 2013 @ 13:37 |
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If you get caught pirating 6 TIMES, there might be something wrong with you. Then again, if you have any choice in ISP at all and you choose AT&T DSL, there is certainly something wrong with you.
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Bozobub
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17. September 2013 @ 14:40 |
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Originally posted by hearme0:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
My best bet is that they over charge, right!
I only pay $19.99 a month using Cox (2yrs. deal); on top of that I use TPB or Tor Browser (always update) and no problem here.
Yet another leech that sincerely justifies their rampant piracy.
Using TPB browser is not, of itself, any indication of piracy. It's merely a slightly-modified version of the Tor Browser's implementation of Firefox.
I also saw no "justification" there, just a flat statement of the software (s)he uses - lol...
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17. September 2013 @ 14:41 |
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Originally posted by hearme0:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
My best bet is that they over charge, right!
I only pay $19.99 a month using Cox (2yrs. deal); on top of that I use TPB or Tor Browser (always update) and no problem here.
Yet another leech that sincerely justifies their rampant piracy.
I don't cheering for AT&T, Verizon, Goldman Sachs, BofA or any NYSE corporations.
I'm no body wage-slave for profits.
Beside: Anybody is guilty, 'til it is proof guilty. That is the law.
Now if I tell you the real truth: Rich people brake the law a lot more often that poor people and only the poor people go to jail or prison; 'cos they can't afford to buy the law, like the rich people always do.
Live Free or Die.
The rule above all the rules is: Survive !
Capitalism: Funnel most of the $$$ to the already rich.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 18. September 2013 @ 15:37
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Xian
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17. September 2013 @ 17:52 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
If you get caught pirating 6 TIMES, there might be something wrong with you. Then again, if you have any choice in ISP at all and you choose AT&T DSL, there is certainly something wrong with you.
I can choose between AT&T DSL or Comcast, so guess there is something wrong with me since I am on AT&T. When I was on Comcast my service would go out every time a black cloud appeared in the sky. AT&T DSL is slower, but I can count on the fingers of one hand in the past 3 years the times that the connection has went down, and still have fingers left over.
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18. September 2013 @ 10:01 |
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Originally posted by SoTired:
I don't understand why AT&T feels the need to take on the role of piracy cop.
I'd venture to say that they benefit from dropping pirates. In general, it's the pirates whom consume the massive amounts of bandwidth.
In maximizing profits, the providers would prefer dropping bandwidth hogs instead of investing in upgrading their infrastructure.
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