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High fidelity Pono portable music player crushes Kickstarter funding goals in less than a day
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article published on 12 March, 2014
Pono, the high-fidelity portable music player, has already surpassed its Kickstarter goal.
The player had a goal of $800,000 which was reached in under 24 hours, and 6,476 backers have contributed $2,112,066.
Pono Players will cost $399 when they launch at retail in October, but 100 lucky backers got it for $199 and all other Kickstarter backers can get it for $299.
What is Pono?
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16. March 2014 @ 20:16 |
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Richness & depth of sound & preferably live however that would all be dependent on the equipment you play it on
Agrre with MrGuss:
On regarding quality of copying recording to album, a perfect example is pink floyds delicate sound of thunder dble alb that was a horrible sounding mash of crap & it was live too,thankfully a few years later they released pulse dble live alb to i assume make up for it & it sounds pretty good,nice crisp clean sounding & the multi channel dvd is even better
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17. March 2014 @ 00:27 |
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Originally posted by scorpNZ:
...a few years later they released pulse dble live alb to i assume make up for it & it sounds pretty good, nice crisp clean sounding & the multi channel dvd is even better
That's probably because most of the "live" album probably wasn't!
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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17. March 2014 @ 17:49 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
....what do you consider great sound?
They are 3 Categories on Recording Music (Sound) on a professional label:
OK, Good & Great.
Great music is the one that Sound Analog = Like you are there with the musicians playing live (In the recording studio or real live) right in front of you and you are in the first row.
Of course; using a dissent equipment to playing it back. lol
Originally posted by scorpNZ:
..On regarding quality of copying recording to album..
Very few albums made it to be print on 24Kt Original Master Recording CD's. & they sound a lot better that regular CD's & it just to take 3 months to make them (one track at the time).
http://www.audioinvest.no/tt_vinyl/suprdisc/omr_sd.htm
http://www.mfsl.com/
I never shop any Super-Audio CD's. but it sound that they are in their way back on the Digital version FLAC.
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17. March 2014 @ 18:23 |
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Playing live? Like with acoustic instruments?... because it's ALL processed music otherwise. Maybe you're a classical music buff? Or are you just talking about going back to pre Phil Spector days?
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17. March 2014 @ 18:27 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Playing live? Like with acoustic instruments?... because it's ALL processed music otherwise. Maybe you're a classical music buff? Or are you just talking about going back to pre Phil Spector days?
Well today we have all this DJ's recording Electronic-Music (Techno, Rave, Tribe, Hard-Core, Dub-Step, etc.) still live but no too so. lol
My favorite music is Jazz. But I leasing and play all kind of music from 1917 'till today. I'm just another DJ: Playing Dance music (Club, Hip-Hop, Pop, etc.)
No Classic music for me. More like Heavy, Hard & Alternative rock, etc.
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18. March 2014 @ 02:14 |
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I like Sibelius to Sex Pistols and beyond. But funnily enough not Jazz... well the sort that after a solo everybody's meant to clap.
I find it amusing that while many may not be fond of Classical they are all really familiar with it unknowingly. Essentially because of all the movies we see.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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19. March 2014 @ 20:48 |
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Not a big fan of classical the real classical not mood music..lol..however instruments sound great when you get an orchestra onstage with any number of rock bands i.e sting,moody blues,deep purple etc
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Originally posted by Mez:
Mrguss, what do you consider great sound?
@Mez
"Out-Of-Topic"
Hello there:
I had reading your answers on the 2 Digital Audio Forums ( Audio & High Resolution Audio). My sincere respect!
Last days I have being playing with WAVe, FLAC & mp3.
Using Audacity: analyzing them, by overlay them & Zoom in them all the way up etc.)
Bit by bit is not diff. between WAV at 792MB & FLAC at 579MB.
...I gonna keep compressing FLAC all the way to 50% from my own Mix CD's (79.5mins. Edit-less: I'm good at it) ...then stream them.
Any recommendations?
Thx. in advance.
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I LOVE it!
1) There should not be a difference.
2) Document your test and stick it in the top sticky in the audio forum. Too many including myself, don't do enough testing before they open their mouths.
3) In the top sticky, there is a link to the TAO analyzer. That might be useful in your testing. You can guess if a downloaded lossless file is really from a lossless source or from a ripped CD burned from a lossy source. I say guess because ultra-high quality (maxed out LAME or Helix) preserve up to 19.98-19.99 kHz vs 20kHz for lossless. The difference is negable and probably not noticeable even with a great measuring tool. The other wrinkle is most music does not contain ant 20,000 Hz tones.
Back to the topic...
Try listening to a Blackmore's night CD. I think these recordings have the best quality I have ever heard. The music industry despises Ritchie Blackmore as a childish prema donna (AHole). The industry doesn't want art they just want something the masses can identify with. I doubt that they have enough taste to recognize great when they hear it. Much of his music requires high-end play back devices to hear the music properly. He tends to use base drums and other instruments that produce background notes so low they do not register on an ipod using STD ipod buds. The industry wouldn't even sell elitist music like that. However, Ritchie funds and does everything except for the mastering himself. You can hear that the art of mastering is not dead but the patron must want quality not junk. Although he lives on Long Island I think you still need to buy his CDs from importers.
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Live Free or Die.
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Still doesn't mean anything when the master leaves a lot to be desired.
Sure, flac, ape, ogg, etc stay closer to the wav. What about the master already resembling an mp3 before the wav is put on CD?
Convince me you're getting different or better masters, and I'll look at your store. Give me shovelware that it takes $1,000 per speaker and a $2,000 amp to hear the difference between flac and mp3, and I'll pass. FFS, we're talking about using ear buds and ear phones with drivers sized in fractions of inches. Sadly, at this point, you're lucky to hear differences between 128k and 320k mp3s and flac rips.
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mp3 Codec and files in general: Always gonna be GARBAGE even at so call +500Kbps compression & leasing to them by using small ear buds, pro head set, night clubs or concert equipment: in compare to waw or flac lossless at level 5-6 compression.
No only by leasing to it; but also you can see the big diff. bit-by-bit on a simple free-program like Audacity graphics (at diff. Modes & Zoom's) when the music files to compare: are overlay them in.
The main problem is that who sale mp3 music files & the mp3 players makers are brainwashing the people to make it sound like the mp3's are a big deal to increase $$$ Corp. revenues, when in reality mp3's are just a big pile of fresh & stinky sh*t.
I bet you that anybody can have almost the same results using a 24K Original Master Recorder (Gold CD Disc) or better [Probably a 5.1 DVD-Audio, if it could be possible > indirectly speaking], as you original source.
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29. March 2014 @ 12:08 |
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My 2 cents...
Lossless is lossless and that is a fact! Anyone that says different is ignorant and has no grasp of the concept.
As far as bad masters, there is a big stink that masters are compressed so that they sound BETTER. I can appreciate purists that are offended by that. They want clean unadulterated music. They can apply an equalizer to achieve that same effect. Most persons don't have good enough equipment to do that. Music is made for the masses. I am not even slightly offended by this. If you want to hear music not made for the masses you will need to buy music that is produced by artists not the industry such as Blackmore's Night.
I have bought ear buds for 7 USDs that reproduce a sound range comparable to 3K per speaker. In an industry where looks is far more important than performance, price has little to do with quality.
Depending on the music, most persons listening to a 'faithful' playback can tell the difference between 120 BR and lossless. Most probably can't tell the difference between 160 Constant BR (CBR) and probably no one can tell a 160 VBR (Variable Bit Rate). VBRs are the most compressed but have the most fidelity of any lossy format. A 190 VBR has the equivalent quality of 500 CBR. MP3s and OGGs can have this compression.
In the audio forum a poster was wanted to remove hiss from his audio. Apparently he had been f*cking up his lossless audios for 5 years by normalizing them. Normalization is for lossy. Normalization of an mp3 cant effect the quality because it doesn't touch it. It only changes a metadata value. To normalize lossless you completely alter the audio and can easily ruin the audio. Altering audio is what all the 'bad master' stink is about. This process can be sloppy since only a complete moron would do something like this. Morons are not very dangerous unless the have a gun or a bomb. He bought a new set of ear phones and now he hears hiss. This is the typical person that listens to lossless audio, a 24 carat moron. Not all that listen to lossless are morons but most are. The ones that are not morons do not claim they can hear a difference. Hiss pitch is at the high end of real music about 5 kHz. Garbage equipment will reproduce that. His equipment had to be super garbage. Hiss pitch is literally light years away from the difference between a maxed out VBR and lossless. In the top sticky You too can be an audio expert in the audio forum has more details about most of the above.
One important link is to 'Audio Myths'. The takeaway concept is 'because of the way your brain processes audio you will ALWAYS hear what you expect to hear'. They explain that in detail. If you think you can hear the difference between lossy and lossless you will even though that is scientifically impossible. If someone switches the lossy and lossless your brain will hear that the lossy is superior to the lossless.
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Originally posted by Mez:
My 2 cents...
Lossless is lossless and that is a fact! Anyone that says different is ignorant and has no grasp of the concept.
Well. I easily find out that FLAC is The Superior Codec compared to other lossless & popular codecs out there.
My challenge was to find out the best FLAC Ripper and THE WHY ? (The main important question); That's why I make my little test: CD > FLAC using diff. rippers.
My own final ANSWER is: EAC & dbpoweramp are the absolute winners!
Originally posted by Mez:
As far as bad masters, there is a big stink that masters are compressed so that they sound BETTER.
Music in general is compressed to a CD's, or else (mp3, etc.)'cos the main reason for the Music Corporations is to increase profits no to sale quality.
Also by compressing more, they have the ability to "sale" more, since more will fit in their players. lol
They know that very few people will buy the over-priced high end quality music products: that's why they are not so interested to make that effort to make just a few bucks so far.
Like you say: "Music is made for the masses" = More profits for them: offering cheap quality music.
Originally posted by Mez:
...price has little to do with quality.
If you talking about compression or even payback "gadget" or even a simple good free source download. probably you right.
But I don't agree if we talking about the Original-Source format as a physical form.
Originally posted by Mez:
Depending on the music, most persons listening to a 'faithful' playback can tell the difference between 120 BR and lossless., etc.
I agree. Only the hard core music lovers can some how know it.
Yup. VBR (Variable Bit Rate) is better.
Originally posted by Mez:
In the audio forum a poster was wanted to remove hiss from his audio. Apparently he had been f*cking up his lossless audios for 5 years by normalizing them.
Yep. The more we play with the files the worse it get.
Simplicity always gonna be better.
Compressing CD to FLAC: I run the Ripper on a Pro-Mode to let it work on it own full potential.
No all Morons are bad. (They are diff. for sure) But few of them are analytical or radical & generate great points of views for humanity.
Originally posted by Mez:
...listens to lossless audio, a 24 carat moron. Not all that listen to lossless are morons but most are.
Ha,ha,ha.
Well last night a compress 3 (Queen - The Game, Pink Floyd The Wall & Michael Jackson - History all on 24K Original Master Recording) CD's to Flac Using diff. rippers
- I had a hard time comparing the differences between the flac's. using the simple Computer speakers.
- So I opted to use a high end Pioneer headphones at half volume on the Computer & the player. (I post my finding at the Audio Forum as my "6th. test")
http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-37/...t_50_50-973129/
Originally posted by Mez:
....The takeaway concept is 'because of the way your brain processes audio you will ALWAYS hear what you expect to hear'.
I was not expecting anything at the beginning of my test.
- I always had leasing to CD's. Since I almost own most of the popular music out there. At home, Deejing at private parties, Night Club or in my Car.
- Never pay or free download a mp3, ringtone or else.
- This is the first time I challenge myself to experiment and find out what is the Best Codec to transfer a CD to a more portable format (load my Internet-Radio-Servers with it) to stream music at the highest quality level possible. And possible use Virtualization to save money on cooling power, etc.
Originally posted by Mez:
impossible !?
Nothing is Impossible.
Some things are easy, other are hard to accomplished, other take longer time to get it done or require more money, afford, etc.
But for sure Nothing will stay impossible for ever.
FLAC vs. MP3 Side-by-Side Comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA_tUCnmry4
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