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New kind of DVD protection?
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13. August 2004 @ 11:22 |
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Sounds like a data corruption problem. Download DVD InfoTools and go to the icon at the top that has a pencil. Launch it and it will tell you if you have read errors on the Samuri DVD.
http://www.dvdinfopro.com/
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13. August 2004 @ 11:37 |
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your copy is either scratched, dirty, or just unreadable.
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13. August 2004 @ 12:14 |
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ty for the help
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13. August 2004 @ 12:17 |
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DVBD InfoTools gave this message "W 16:02:56 Failed to read Sector 599936 - Unrecovered Read Error" thanx again you 2
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MackemX
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15. August 2004 @ 04:22 |
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@sly_61019Quote:
whenever someone can't copy a dvd, they say "it must be a new kind of copy protection". There is no new protection, you must just have some bad discs. I've done both of those movies with no problems.
although it's probably nothing to do with this thread, there are 2 new protections apparently so people be careful as to what you say when more and more people start claiming this
one is the Sony one called ARCOS that has something to do with different encryption per DVD (I think, don't really know) and another that contains corrupt cells that cannot be read by programs such as DVDDecrypter and DVDShrink via normal methods
the corruption method can be bypassed but involves some user input
if people want to know more then try reading this HUUUUUGE thread at videohelp where a few jumped in with both feet, eyes closed and couldn't believe that petar couldn't rip a DVD
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=225012
if you want to skip all the flaming of people saying there is no protection then read onwards from here to see exactly what is going on with a certain studio's DVD's
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=994185#994185
as you can see at the end of the thread, I've got a few methods to cripple such programs as DVDShrink and CloneDVD by editing the files so that it makes it impossible for them to read them but they play back fine in any player ;)
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15. August 2004 @ 08:35 |
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MackemX...nice to see you on the forum again!!! I spent the better part of an hour reading through the threads you provided. Let me say thank you for sharing this. I will certainly be more careful now in addressing the "new copy protection" inquiries.
If I understand things, the "new copy protection" scheme is basically a way a studio authors a DVD with navigation commands involving sectors that are intentionally bad(?). Also, I see that this is just a Region 2 issue at present, but I suspect that could change if it becomes successful.
I'm also happy to see that Remake Pro offers a work-around with this "copy protection." I would also like to thank you for the "tip" on using AnyDVD and loading files directly into RM/RMP.
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MackemX
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15. August 2004 @ 08:51 |
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your welcome Doc409 and thanks for the welcome back and I hope you didn't strain your eyes :D
yep, you got it in one, it's intentional bad authoring to stop programs such as DVDShrink/DVDDecrypter etc from extracting the DVD content due to the way they work. There were methods and means to get around it already and I'm pretty sure DVDDecrypter now has an option to skip it. I don't know as I haven't really followed it's development as I haven't used it since 3.1.7.0 that much and very rarely rip a DVD now unless I'm testing something
if anyone doesn't have ANYDVD but does have DRM then I'm sure you can use DVD43 instead if you want to process the disc with DRM directly. I normally recommend that people rip using DVDShrink with No Compression removing any audio/subs and then process with DRM to reduce processing time with DRM. Using AnyDVD with DRM in the other thread was probably just to get around the protection as you cannot rip the disc in the first place :). If you had to reprocess with DRM using AnyDVD then it has to rip the DVD again and it increases the processing time especially if it needs to rip the whole movie again
as for my visits, I just can't be in 5 places at once :( but I know that you don't need me here that often anyway as there are plenty of knowledgable Guys here in the first place. Too many cooks....... ;)
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15. August 2004 @ 09:04 |
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Going along with your suggestion, I typically use Shrink to remove audio tracks and process in no compression mode. It would be nice if ReMake added this "audio deletion" capability. If it did, I would start with AnyDVD all the time.
Thanks again for chosing AD as the "fifth" place to be right now. Also, you helped me get started with RMP, and it is working very well for me. Thanks.
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MackemX
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15. August 2004 @ 09:09 |
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too keep this in the right topic, this is my reply from http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/28/88038#532420
lol, Doc409, I didn't really do the work but I just wanted to see it for myself and what all this fuss was about. I've watched that thread since day 1 but eventually unsubscribed after getting sick of all the crap that was being posted. I initially did think it was just a one off but since seeing the likes of CloneDVD/DVDDecrypter trying to overcome it then I realised it must be something new so then I got back into the thread :)
if you look earlier in the thread you can see me trying to chill it al down with a group hug and asking why this thread was still around :D
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=945081#945081
Instead of just listening to hearsay I wanted to understand exactly how it worked and I thank petar for that ;)
once I understood I thought I'd share it with others so they could maybe also understand instead of jumping onto petar for not being able to rip a DVD and also spread the word that it is indeed true :)
p.s. yes it would be a nice feature to have and I bet it's the number 1 feature request for a few people :(
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Ronrice
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15. August 2004 @ 10:27 |
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Ah dont worry about dvd protection...if there is or isnt..there will always be a way to get through it....VV
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15. August 2004 @ 10:50 |
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I suspect this might be the case, but at what price? I recently came across some encoding software (on CD) that required a USB plugin key to work. The cost of the S/W was $250, and while you can copy it, you can't use it without one of these USB keys. There isn't much to the key other than a USB plug and a PROM, and these could be mass produced quite inexpensively.
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15. August 2004 @ 12:03 |
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Mackem X, you are correct in that decrypter has an option to skip it. But, (there's always a BUT, lol)what do you do when it's in the middle of the film, I've come across several that way lately.
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Casper66
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15. August 2004 @ 12:40 |
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If all else fails, try using DVD43. It works great!!! I use 1click DVD Copy (it will not copy encrypted dics) along with DVD43 and have never had a single problem. I backed up both of those movies without a single glitch. There is no new encryption by the way...if they did that it would make all dvd players obsolete.
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MackemX
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15. August 2004 @ 12:57 |
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Hi casper :)
you are right there is no new encryption but there is a new method of authoring in corrupt files. Therefore 'nothing' including DVD43 can copy these files directly from the DVD but they will still playback perfectly
the trick is to work around them and either replace them with new valid files or completely remove them and update the IFO's, the latter being the harder thing to do :)
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15. August 2004 @ 13:02 |
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casper, Mackem X is correct, I have been using AnyDVD for a long time now(in fact I like it better than DVD43), this is a whole new ballgame.
Mackem X, what about when the file is in the middle of the movie, what do you do then without losing part of the movie(using the remake method)?
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MackemX
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15. August 2004 @ 13:13 |
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I can't really say off the top off my head as I don't know what the structure is like without seeing the IFO's :(
it depends on whether the corrupt cells contain any movie info but I doubt they could as it would create playback issues
then again maybe they could as you can do strange things with the files if you are careful enough and I have an idea of how they could do it as I've just tried ;)
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15. August 2004 @ 13:29 |
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Well it makes sense what you say, but on Ned Kelly the files are in the middle of the movie (VOB 3 I think) and it plays but won't rip.
Decrypter would allow me to skip this sector, but then you lose 1/4 of the movie, when you go to burn.
As I said to you in another thread, I have wondered why this hasn't been done sooner to protect copying because I have run into it here and there. Looks like my fears have been realized.
I also had the same problem with Harry Potter 2, the special features disc, fortunately not the movie.
I guess we'll have to wait on you to figure it out for the rest of us dummies! lol
GO VOLS !
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15. August 2004 @ 18:16 |
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I just backed up Ned Kelly and had the same problem half way through with 2 machines using DVDdecrypter,DVDshrink and seperately Anydvd. I haven't updated Anydvd on those machines.
I ran the DVD on a third machine using 1x on an updated Anydvd using DVDdecrypter on top.
It went smoothly this time.
Is it possible Anydvd has an update for this particular DVD protection?
Donald
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15. August 2004 @ 18:39 |
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Ya know, I feel like an idiot. I tried shrink, decrypter, SmartRipper and never even thought about Anydvd not being on, even when I mentioned it in an earlier post. I took it off my start menu last week and I forgot I have to manually turn it on. I will give it a shot.
I'm now hitting myself on the forehead mumbling stupid, stupid, stupid.....
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64026402
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15. August 2004 @ 18:42 |
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Set anydvd for 1x read. Same for decrypter.
Make sure your Anydvd is updated.
Donald
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neewbie
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15. August 2004 @ 19:31 |
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hi i recently backed up my secret window dvd and it took a huge amount of time. i did the analysis and the sharpness tool, then burned it. it took almost 4 hours, is that a normal time? it was encoding at a rate of 850ks (0.8x). is that normal?
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15. August 2004 @ 19:49 |
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That seems way long, I did the same movie in about 1 1/2 hours.
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neewbie
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15. August 2004 @ 22:15 |
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well what should i do? my dvd rom is 16x LG. It had done that for a few movies......
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