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Election Hacking: Obama orders review of cyber attacks, foreign interference
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article published on 9 December, 2016
U.S. President Barack Obama has ordered intelligence agencies to conduct a full review of cyber attacks and foreign interference in the run up to the Presidential election.
In October, the U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) accused the Russian government of directing the compromise of e-mails belonging to U.S. persons and institutions, with the hacking of the Democratic National Committee ... [ read the full article ]
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16. December 2016 @ 21:52 |
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Originally posted by SergoT:
Originally posted by hearme0:
You know we're in deep shit when the very president that we JUST ELECTED (technically no cause Hillary was 3+ million more in the popular vote which is FACT), adamantly DENIES that Russia had anything to do with any hacking attempt throughout this election process while the FBI has PROOF that the hacks came from 8 IP addresses from the "King Servers" which are fairly well known server farms owned and operated by Russian people, an 18 yr old specifically, and majority located in Russian territories.
Phew! That was a mouthful.
Putin is another Hitler......plain and simple!
Do you really know who Hitler was and what he did?
Do you really know the history? I doubt it.
Thats what they are supposed to do... it's what we do... wake up get real...
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16. December 2016 @ 22:06 |
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Thats what they are supposed to do... it's what we do... wake up get real...
You do know that your reply has absolutely no context whatsoever right?
Who are they, that's what they're supposed to do because it's what we do? You didn't include a single point of reference to what you were replying to. So how can one wake up and get real to gibberish?
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18. December 2016 @ 13:22 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
Sorry but that's false, because the ODNI also agrees that the Russians were responsible for the hacks and has been since October 7, 2016. Perhaps you should get your news from where I get mine, right from the source.
If you read beyond the headlines you will see that the only "evidence" of russian government involvement is that people who did not work for the russian government but who are russian citizens happened to be involved (they think...but not enough proof for a court room). Remember this is the same government that said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction without a doubt based on what they thought without evidence, so you can't just trust what they put on the first page of a press release. At best we can say that it is very likely that the hacks either came from russian citizens or were protected by servers run by russian citizens (and yes, it is possible to make it look like a connection stops where it actually doesn't...we are talking about serious blackhats; they know their stuff better than a government that can't even unlock an iPhone). If the exact same thing happened in Canada we would be talking about those hackers from Canada; not saying that the Canadian government was responsible. It does seem likely that the Russian government would want Trump over Clinton and they are not above doing something like this, but it is irresponsible to claim that a foreign government with an arsenal of nuclear weapons is behind an attack when there is zero evidence to back it up...that's a great way to start WWIII.
The whole case against the russian government is circumstantial...and there is also circumstantial evidence to the contrary. The russian government can afford to fly people overseas, setup offices, internet, servers, etc in those foreign countries. If they were so concerned about things that they made their ties to these hackers impossible to find, why didn't they also provide funds to do the hacks from Ukraine, thus implicating a country they would love an excuse to invade? Why wold the government bother using resources hacking the RNC? Private hackers would do it just for the lulz. Also, julian assange came right out and said that they dumps did not come from a government...maybe you trust him, maybe not, maybe he was fooled but it's just another bit of circumstantial evidence against in a case built entirely of circumstantial evidence.
Given all that, you must admit that it is at least possible that non-government hackers did the job, just because they could (or because they personally disliked Clinton/liked Trump) (or because one of the many russian companies trump works with backed it instead)...just like non-government hackers broke the iPhone, broke the xbox, broke the ps3, root every Android that sells more than a few thousand copies, hack twitter accounts to make celebrities seem (more) crazy, etc. Clinton's missing emails were an international story for months and Trump actually asked the hacking community to find them. Every hacker in the world knew about them...why not target every email server she was likely to have sent or received messages from?
Again...if the exact same thing was done by Canadian hackers, NO ONE would claim the Canadian government was behind it because there is simply no evidence of government backing, only the assumption that the Russian government is trying to attack us. And yeah, that's probably true...but there isn't a shred of actual proof of that.
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18. December 2016 @ 17:13 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Sophocles:
Sorry but that's false, because the ODNI also agrees that the Russians were responsible for the hacks and has been since October 7, 2016. Perhaps you should get your news from where I get mine, right from the source.
If you read beyond the headlines you will see that the only "evidence" of russian government involvement is that people who did not work for the russian government but who are russian citizens happened to be involved (they think...but not enough proof for a court room). Remember this is the same government that said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction without a doubt based on what they thought without evidence, so you can't just trust what they put on the first page of a press release. At best we can say that it is very likely that the hacks either came from russian citizens or were protected by servers run by russian citizens (and yes, it is possible to make it look like a connection stops where it actually doesn't...we are talking about serious blackhats; they know their stuff better than a government that can't even unlock an iPhone). If the exact same thing happened in Canada we would be talking about those hackers from Canada; not saying that the Canadian government was responsible. It does seem likely that the Russian government would want Trump over Clinton and they are not above doing something like this, but it is irresponsible to claim that a foreign government with an arsenal of nuclear weapons is behind an attack when there is zero evidence to back it up...that's a great way to start WWIII.
The whole case against the russian government is circumstantial...and there is also circumstantial evidence to the contrary. The russian government can afford to fly people overseas, setup offices, internet, servers, etc in those foreign countries. If they were so concerned about things that they made their ties to these hackers impossible to find, why didn't they also provide funds to do the hacks from Ukraine, thus implicating a country they would love an excuse to invade? Why wold the government bother using resources hacking the RNC? Private hackers would do it just for the lulz. Also, julian assange came right out and said that they dumps did not come from a government...maybe you trust him, maybe not, maybe he was fooled but it's just another bit of circumstantial evidence against in a case built entirely of circumstantial evidence.
Given all that, you must admit that it is at least possible that non-government hackers did the job, just because they could (or because they personally disliked Clinton/liked Trump) (or because one of the many russian companies trump works with backed it instead)...just like non-government hackers broke the iPhone, broke the xbox, broke the ps3, root every Android that sells more than a few thousand copies, hack twitter accounts to make celebrities seem (more) crazy, etc. Clinton's missing emails were an international story for months and Trump actually asked the hacking community to find them. Every hacker in the world knew about them...why not target every email server she was likely to have sent or received messages from?
Again...if the exact same thing was done by Canadian hackers, NO ONE would claim the Canadian government was behind it because there is simply no evidence of government backing, only the assumption that the Russian government is trying to attack us. And yeah, that's probably true...but there isn't a shred of actual proof of that.
This is the only line in the Joint statement because there were no headlines.
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The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations.
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At best we can say that it is very likely that the hacks either came from russian citizens or were protected by servers run by russian citizens
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The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails
with the key word being "confident."
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Remember this is the same government that said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction without a doubt based on what they thought without evidence
Actually it's a completely different government with different players. The United Nations stated that there were no WMD in Iraq, and the CIA knew it, but Bush and Cheney did a little creative revisionist doctoring to the info to make it support their private agenda. The CIA Deputy Director and intelligence briefer Michael Morell, has since come out and admitted that the so called intelligence was a lie.
This is a completely different set of circumstances, because it includes the entire U.S intelligence community, including the NSA who are among the best cyber sleuths on the planet. Since our last discussion a lot more information has surfaced that points directly to the Kremlin, and quite probably Putin himself. I've always been skeptical of the government. but never to the point where I would allow it to blind me to facts. There just too much evidence to write this off as some conspiracy theory. There's really no motive for the government to fudge the data because there's no benefit. So yes, the Russians did in fact hack into the DNC server and John Podesta's emails, a fact that both Republicans, minus Trump, and Democrats are in agreement on. There's going to be be a bipartisan investigation so let's leave it until then.
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18. December 2016 @ 23:34 |
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I have yet to see any evidence...lots of "confidence" but from government officials that means nothing by itself. I did see a story where they were talking about how if the Russian government did the hacks then Putin would certainly be aware...except the hacks were traced to servers run by non-government hackers so it was basically just a bunch of filler material...old news and a bit of opinion but not a single new fact.
So yes, let's at least leave it until all the facts are actually in the open (or at least the ones that can be found). That's what I've been saying. If we just convicted people because the government said they did something, there would be no need for courts...and I doubt anyone would like that more than Trump (well, maybe Putin, Xi, and Kim...two of whom already have that).
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19. December 2016 @ 09:09 |
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I have yet to see any evidence...lots of "confidence" but from government officials that means nothing by itself.
Mitch McConnell made an announcement condemning the Russians for the hacking of U.S. political organizations. At the end of the statement he mentioned that some details will not be released to the public to protect intelligence interests.
"Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others"
John McCain also announced that he too was convinced that the Russians hacked into the servers. So there really is no question that the hacks occurred or that the Russian government was involved. We will probably never know some details because they could threaten U.S intelligence secrets and or operatives. I doubt that an investigation is going to change the fact that the Russians were responsible for the hacks, but I would like to know more details.
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