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problems with king kong and narnia
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brobear
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7. April 2006 @ 19:55 |
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The companies releasing Narnia and King Kong must have been in a good mood. There was very little copyright protection. I'm surprised Shrink wouldn't do those 2 by itself. That's luck. There were releases that had even the best software in a bind till R&D did updates. Those protections had the most experienced scrambling to use PgcEdit with DVD Decrypter for PSL2s or other decryption software like AnyDVD and rip, both methods requiring processing for compliance. I doubt we've seen the worst yet. Narnia and King Kong were like a small reprieve.
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brobear
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7. April 2006 @ 20:00 |
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Like I said, I'm surprised Shrink alone didn't do the badkup. Not putting down XCopy, it's decent if it's working. I'll not talk about pricing. As you noticed though, for those big blockbusters you need to use 2 discs for best quality. I did the backup to one disc with RB/CCE and the output was excellent. That was viewing on a 60" screen.
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7. April 2006 @ 20:10 |
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I understand brobear, I'm very happy for you, I wish I could not notice the diference between compression and the use of 2 disc's but I do, as far as money, my DVD+R come so cheap now its no problem to use 2 disc's, usings 2 disc's has always been my preference anyway for more reasons than one, but again I have been very lucky this past week, I did narnia, giesha, kong and capote, capote was the only one dvdxcopy did not take, but dvdxplat from xcopy did of course together with AnyDVD. I hope my luck continues, and best of luck to everyone else, I love to hear success stories.
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brobear
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7. April 2006 @ 20:18 |
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With AnyDVD I suspect you'll continue to get the job done. 2 DVD5 discs are still cheaper than a DL, but I'll go that route before doing 2 discs. Besides, I've only heard of one release that RB couldn't do well and the app has been updated many times since then. With HC you can try it out for free (sometime when you have some free time to kill). http://www.dvd-rb.com Rebuilder has its own forum and a lot of help threads here at AD.
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7. April 2006 @ 20:30 |
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I will check it out, thank you brobear.
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brobear
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7. April 2006 @ 21:17 |
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You're welcome. The HC encoder I mentioned is slower than the CCE Baisic (about $60). Good quality and the backup will be a keeper. The only usable CCE trial is the SP and it leaves a logo on the output. It'll give an idea of the quality and speed of CCE though. The CCE Basic trial times out after a few minutes so is unusable. With RB the difference between SP and Basic is that Basic is limited to 2 passes and SP does multiples. Over 3 passes with SP using RB is a waste. Some say 3 is questionable. So the $60 Basic is a steal compared to the $2000 SP.
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8. April 2006 @ 05:20 |
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@ Buik
I know I'm going against all opinions about Roxio, but I have had Roxio installed long before I swithed over to Nero. The are certain programs in Roxio that I still use mainly those dealing with CDs. I din't install Nero inCD with Nero. So far I have no conflicts whatsoever with this combo>Roxio7 and Nero6.6. neither are set to load a startup tho.
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brobear
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8. April 2006 @ 05:34 |
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Depends on who you talk to. The newer Roxio apps are less a problem than earlier ones. You left out the batch writing app InCD which is a problem with using recorders for video. Roxio used to have drag to disk batch software, which was similar to InCD. It could sometimes be turned off if problems arose. The key is not having software that will interfere running with other software. You noted neither Roxio or Nero are set to load at startup. As long as you have things set up properly, there should be few, if any, problems. For that matter a lot of codecs can reside on the same system without problems. I've suffered few problems and I have enough loaded on this system that I don't want to count. Let's just say when I enter Programs that the page is nearly covered. Half the desktop is covered with icons to recording software.
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8. April 2006 @ 05:57 |
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this is the info from narina. my best burn yet
General Information
Drive: HP DVD Writer 740b
Firmware: FF24
Disc: DVD+R (MCC 004)
Selected speed: Maximum
PI errors
Maximum: 0
Average: 0.00
Total: 0
PI failures
Maximum: 0
Average: 0.00
Total: 0
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning Statistics
Elapsed time: 0:31
Number of samples: 220
Average scanning interval: 16.00 ECC
Glitches removed: 0
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brobear
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8. April 2006 @ 07:47 |
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What did you use to get those specs?
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Jigen
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8. April 2006 @ 10:57 |
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Hunh? Most discs that are coming out are similarly protected. Very few of them use anything special or worthy of calling tough. I think it's funny actually that people all over this board are having this problem, and that problem, and downloading 10 different apps to make copies of discs that I did with free and now outdated software.
I mean Jesus Christ, it's not rocket science. Lately I did Zorro, and Flightplan and Brothers Grimm I believe had some issue. There were a few more, but c'mon the new protections on these things are an annoyance at best.
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The companies releasing Narnia and King Kong must have been in a good mood. There was very little copyright protection. I'm surprised Shrink wouldn't do those 2 by itself. That's luck. There were releases that had even the best software in a bind till R&D did updates. Those protections had the most experienced scrambling to use PgcEdit with DVD Decrypter for PSL2s or other decryption software like AnyDVD and rip, both methods requiring processing for compliance. I doubt we've seen the worst yet. Narnia and King Kong were like a small reprieve.
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mcmenace
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8. April 2006 @ 16:34 |
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@Jigen
Then be happy !!! I am. You are absolutely correct. Piece of cake.
Most movies so far have been at most an annoyance as you said, so lets enjoy it while it lasts. peeps that are having probs will catch on. All the info anyone could possibly need has been posted.
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brobear
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8. April 2006 @ 18:48 |
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Be happy. :)
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Slyguy75
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12. April 2006 @ 10:34 |
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Just to let people know I managed to burn a full copy of Narnia with DVD Shrink while running DVD region and CSS free in the background.That might work for some people.But i am going to try AnyDVD and see if i like it.
Also could somone explain why sometimes you cant burn from your backups? I have all the sopranos and I can only copy from half of them.
AMD Athlon 2500+ 1.8ghz 1gb of ram
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12. April 2006 @ 10:48 |
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What type of media did you use?
Also, did you finalize the disc?
All men profess honesty as long as they can. To believe all men honest would be folly. To believe none so is something worse. -John Quincy Adams
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brobear
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12. April 2006 @ 10:57 |
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Burns that leave bad sectors. Some will play but not record. The same happens with some factory releases. I have a similar backup copy laying here on my desk. Do a scan and see if you get the tell tale blocks indicating the bad sectors (usually red). If your scan starts showing red and slows for a long time, you may want to stop the scan as it could take quite a while. Nero has Scandisc in the CD DVD Speed utility. The free DVDInfoPro has a similar scan tool.
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12. April 2006 @ 11:17 |
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I used Shrink with AnyDVD running in the background, and I ripped both Narnia and King Kong with no problems.
My only problem is burning DL disks. I cant get Nero to recognize the Ricoh media I have. Nero sees it fine if I try to burn something smaller to that disk, but not a DVD9.
I am going to get some Verbatim media and try that.
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brobear
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12. April 2006 @ 11:23 |
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Normally Ricoh is among the "good stuff". Check the firmware and software settings and let us know if just switching to Verbs was the solution. Also include your burner model as sometimes problems can be specific to a single model of drive.
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mcmenace
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12. April 2006 @ 11:51 |
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Burners = Lite-on DVDRW SOHW-1633S-BSOY....latest upgrade (old but good)
Lite-on DVDRW SHW-1635S-YSOX.....newly upgraded lastnight
Ridata's still averaging little better than 50% (after 8 movies), went to newegg and some people raved about em - some said they were garbage. More good than bad tho. Got 100 for 18.99, maybe it's a get what you pay for thing??? Came from newegg w/rebate. Got 19"LCD mon. there for $199 after rebate, works great. 8ms, 650 NP.
Verb's coming Friday with friend, so won't know bout them till then
Software settings were AnyDVD 5.9.5.3, clonedvd2 2.9.9.2, region free + css 5.9.7.2 Get apparently good copies but probs definately lie with new disks, I'm pretty certain, as I'm backing up creature from the black lagoon, not loaded with protection.....
Summary for drive F: (AnyDVD 5.9.5.3)
Drive (Hardware) Region: 0 (not set!)
Media is a Data DVD.
Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 2 (opposite)
Size of first Layer: 2066768 sectors (4036 MBytes)
Total size: 4121829 sectors (8050 MBytes)
Video DVD (or CD) label: BLACK_LAGOON_FRANCHISE
Media is CSS protected!
Video Standard: NTSC
Media is locked to region(s): 1!
RCE protection not found.
DVD structure appears to be correct.
Changed firstplay: Jump directly to TitleMenu!
Found & removed invalid VOBUs!
Autorun not found on Video DVD.
Bad sector protection not found.
Emulating RPC-2 drive with region 1!
thats it till verbs come. believe it or not, memorex did them, that's what got my goat but don't trust their "staying power"
TY for help
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brobear
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12. April 2006 @ 12:01 |
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I've used a lot of good DVD5 Ricoh, but none of the DL. I've only used Verbs so far with good luck, having the MKM 001 code [Mitsubishi Kagaku Media]. I use DVD5 media and Rebuilder for almost all of my backups. It's so good, I don't see the difference on a 60" TV.
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Slyguy75
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12. April 2006 @ 12:46 |
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I did finalize the disc But don`t know what brand of Disc.I use generic 4x Discs with no labels on top.
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brobear
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12. April 2006 @ 14:18 |
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That's asking for trouble, good luck.
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mcmenace
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12. April 2006 @ 14:21 |
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@brobear
I watch 'em on 35" Samsung true HDTV in BR w/ DTI & +/- prog scan DVD
and 52" Hitachi in LR w/ prog scan Zenith +/- DVD, both thru satellite, so i notice differences as well, one way or another. Throw in the LCD monitor mentioned B4, and I can see or at least should be able to distinguish betwen disks if indeed there is a noticable diffference there.
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brobear
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12. April 2006 @ 15:01 |
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To dispell the rumor that all memorex is memosux, they actually have media by companies other than CMC. You should try using DVDInfoPro, DVD Identifier or another app to see who the actual manufacturers of the media you use are.
mcmenace
If they were giving awards for pixel counting, I'd insist they send one your way. ;) I'd detract from #1 because you chose a LCD over a CRT monitor. For video reproduction LCDs are good and getting better, but they still don't stack up to a good CRT. As far as brand favorites on TVs I'll not discuss that as the forum is inappropriate. I'll just say we all have our favorites and I don't usually say anything unless I see a real stinker. I don't review TVs and usually do the research prior to buying due to the changes going on with different models. Right now if I was going to buy a big screen, I'd probably go with Mitsubishi or Sony in the 60" range. I'd hate to go smaller now that I'm into big screen. I was thinking about a projector unit.
Just as something to do in researching video output and quality backups try doing a backup using RB and the HC encoder. Then compare the output from CloneDVD 2 to the Rebuilder output and see if you notice the difference. Pay close attention to blurs in action scenes, scenes with flames, such as the flame characters in the fire in Narnia. The bullet sequence in Matrix is another good test. Then there's the "mosquito noise" that transcoders are prone to. For a good test, revisit Return of the King or do King Kong, even transcoders are decent when the compression isn't too high. Things usually start showing and increase past 20%. On compression ratios in software, that's 80% and below. A lot of the big movies will dip well below 60%.
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12. April 2006 @ 16:14 |
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been a while since my last post.
Brobear.
i used dvdfab decrypter voblanker and then CloneDVD i couldnt ask for a better burn than this one and to think it was supose to be the roughest movie to burn. i crack at it and got perfection.
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