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Theory on burning GC
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SuperTed
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21. September 2004 @ 02:40 |
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Don't know f it's gonna work, but might as well give it a try.
What I wanna try is:
-Extract the header (bootcode) from a game.
-Repack the bootcode with another tool (don't know if I can give the name of the tools I'm gonna use)
-Try burning the repacked ISO with a buring-program (alchohol, NERO, clone cd, cd mate, and so on)
-Try booting it up with my GC.
Has this been tried allready?
If not I'm gonna try this with some DEMOS first
Just wondering around
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21. September 2004 @ 06:22 |
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Well -SuperTed- if your theory works then you'll be the only person on the planet to make a working backup of a GameCube game, and then you will be -SuperTed-
Ill be looking for an update from you. GOOD LUCK!!
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azn_kda
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21. September 2004 @ 06:23 |
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I'm rooting for you ^_^
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SuperTed
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21. September 2004 @ 06:33 |
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Quote:
Well -SuperTed- if your theory works then you'll be the only person on the planet to make a working backup of a GameCube game, and then you will be -SuperTed-
Ill be looking for an update from you. GOOD LUCK!!
thanx for the G-luck wish.
I'll let ya know how it turns out
Just wondering around
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21. September 2004 @ 15:52 |
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Not trying to see the glass half empty but this doesn't really address the problem of the GC Laser reading from the outside in? Or does it? I dunno, anyway, if you succeed then you will be instantly famous! He he
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mrhapy666
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21. September 2004 @ 16:52 |
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actully i've seen on suprnova.org a video of someone playing a burned cd in a gamecube, here's the trick:
step 1: take apart gamecube
step 2: do a raw copy to a FULL-SIZE blank dvd
put full size dvd into gamecube, and play
teh key is taking apart gamecube to make it fit full size dvd's
i ordered my gamecube 4.5 tool for taking it apart and will post results in a week or so when ever i get mine apart, if the video is gone, i'll re-seed it
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Hogmyster
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22. September 2004 @ 07:20 |
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theres a slight problem mrhapy ... the laser doesnt go out to the edge of a full sized dvd, you'd have to get the panasonic Q version of the gamecube imported from jap if you wanted to fit a full sized one to be able to read it..
and how do you plan on making a RAW copy of a gamecube disk... since you can't read them in your PC...
i'm thinkin superted has the right idea, ripping the boot sector or what have you and repack the iso with the bootcode, or even make Nero burn the iso and then use the "boot image" that you ripped...
i'm hoping that works, i'd start doing that but i'm doubting it will :(
oh and that video.. its a fake, already been discussed many times
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22. September 2004 @ 09:04 |
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mrhapy666, you'll find with a little searching on these forums that that video has been discussed thoroughly and has been proven a fraud. You can see the dudes, friend in the background messing with the other "real" GC that you're seeing on the screen. So unfortunately, taking apart the GC as you have planned is going to get you nowhere. Especially since it won't read and burned media from a PC regardless of its size! You can buy mini DVD media that you can fit a full GC game on and you don't even have to take apart your GC.
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mrhapy666
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22. September 2004 @ 12:44 |
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yeah i saw that, but considering that all i have to do is spend $5 on a tool, i'm goign to attemp it anyway and see what happens, i agree it seems like a long shot, but the video didn't look liek a fraud to me, i've watched it over and over. but considering that it's not a hard hack i'm goign to try and i'll report my results, i just have no idea when my tool will arrive, prolly a week or so. i'll reserve my judgement till then
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22. September 2004 @ 16:09 |
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What I am saying is that people have allready tried that! What you're trying is not new! The problem has NEVER been the size of the disc. The people that are working on the developement of a mod chip for the GC have the whole thing completely dismantled and if it was as easy as fitting a burned disc on it then we all would have taken apart our GC's long ago. I will make a prediction... IT WONT WORK!!!!
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22. September 2004 @ 16:29 |
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Hey buddy, after reading my last post I found it to be a little "in your face". I didn't mean to sound that way, I was just hoping to save you some time. Best of luck to you but we know that what your attempting has allready been attempted and doesn't work. Sorry for sounding rude.
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22. September 2004 @ 16:32 |
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Hey SuperTed... any progress?
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22. September 2004 @ 18:32 |
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I am thinking the only way to get a game to boot off the GameCube is to fix the packet loss.I think if somebody built a ftp server for the GameCube that would run at 100mbps than our problem would be solved.I feel like when we stream our iso files that we are not recieving the data fast enough making the images sloppy.The other thing is the laser of the GameCube.The laser is the big issue like always it reads from the outside in which is in the same issue as the dreamcast was.I think if we looked really hard at the modchip that was made for the dreamcast.It is possible to build one for GameCube,making it run the games which are outside in.Anything else would probably be considered streaming games.The main problem I think it is that there are too many people working on PS2 and Xbox that are good at techniques that could help out alot,but the interest in the Cube for them is gone.The PS2 and Xbox have made Nintendo the least bought system.
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SuperTed
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23. September 2004 @ 01:28 |
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No progress yet.
Gonna score some mini dvd-r's first. (they are sold by 2 for E20,-)
So gonna score some first and try it.
Updated soon
Just wondering around
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yojimbo2k
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23. September 2004 @ 03:44 |
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Hi
I don't know an awful lot about the various standards, but I do know that you didn't need a mod chip to download and burn DC games. I dunno if they managed to renegineer the images or what, but you had to use Discjuggler to burn them. They self-booted and everything, just like the real thing.
I never tried copying a game myself though. Just burned what I downloaded.
Good luck. We'll all be happy if you can manage it!
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23. September 2004 @ 06:24 |
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-yojimbo2k- so you actually burned a GC game and it actually booted with no problem without any type of modification done ?
What were your steps.
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k-mouse
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23. September 2004 @ 06:34 |
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If I didn't misunderstand the post completely, he meant that he burned DreamCast-games, not games for GameCube.
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yojimbo2k
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23. September 2004 @ 06:38 |
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er.. no mate, sorry for the confusion. I said DC (dreamcast) not GC. L-burna mentioned a mod chip for the dreamcast. I was simply pointing out that if they both use the same reading method, the DC didn't need a chip. Self booting CDI images were created that did the job. I don't know if there's a way to read the GC discs in the PC and do a precise inversion of their order before burning it back to mini-dvd... well that's pure hypothesis.
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23. September 2004 @ 07:04 |
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got it.
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23. September 2004 @ 10:45 |
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Yeah true the dreamcast can use the self booting method,but that was only for certain dreamcast consoles.If you can remember when they made the last batch of dreamcast consoles they couldn't pick up a self boot disc.It all had to be done by a modchip,and the modchip was available before the self boot method.I think we have to get down the technique of just getting a game to boot first before even advancing to a self boot game.The self boot is probably only done by pressing a disc,pressing machine.I don't think anybody can afford one of those and I am thinking that the disc is pressed just like the PS2 and Xbox games.That leads me to think there can't be a self boot for GameCube with the press disc involved.
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23. September 2004 @ 10:53 |
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Oh and I forgot about the Utopia boot disc that was used for Dreamcast.If we look back at that everybody had to use that boot disc also before the self booting method was even available.The thing is that the boot disc was involved which I think if it is gonna be backed up to a disc.I think we gotta search for a booting technique through some sort of disc that is already pressed by Nintendo.I heard that the Action Replay,FreeLoader and some of those discs wouldn't work.The thing is what technique did they use that made it not work.I am sure there is a way around it to get it to work.If figuring out a way to boot it means studying flaws then yeah I think it will help out.The drives for all the game systems out are picking up pressed discs is what I am saying.How are you gonna get a self boot game to work?share your thought man,not messing with you.I am just trying to look at methods people are using to try to get it to work.
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23. September 2004 @ 10:59 |
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I think another reason that the dreamcast has a self boot method for it,is the fact that it is cd-rom.The GameCube is based on mini dvd-rom and cd-rom.The drive for it is messing with two formats instead of one.That could also be a problem.The first thing to work is probably gonna be on cd before dvd I think.
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yojimbo2k
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24. September 2004 @ 00:42 |
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I didn't realise that about the later DC's...
I know what you mean about the Utopia disc - but wasn't that discovered to be a blatant rip of something like CD-X? If so then it's possible that Freeloader can be coaxed into booting a disc.
I was just looking at it from the point of view that if the GC reads the discs from the edge, inwards, and the PC reads them from the inside, outwards... then what would happen if you got the PC to blindly read the bits on the disc and used some sort of util to reverse the order of all the bits (first to last, etc). Then took this new "image" and blindly wrote it back to a mini-dvd and used something like Freeloader to boot it.
Answer: probably nothing. the concept itself is simple enough but I'd say the execution is a nightmare. I remember hearing rumblings about people using linux to rip Dreamcast games, but does anyone know for sure how the various groups managed to get DC games ripped in the end of it all?
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yojimbo2k
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24. September 2004 @ 00:46 |
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Ah no.... barking up the wrong tree.
Of course they used the DC drive itself, much as I'm sure the groups are using the GC drive itself to get information. Burning it back is the hard part.
It's an interesting topic though. A very good exercise...
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24. September 2004 @ 01:33 |
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That is a good idea man,but getting that to burn would be crazy like you said.The data would have to put on certain parts of the disc in some order not know to any burners we have.That is a cool idea though man,I like thinking about that one.I was thinking about the new Action Replay Tools like the ARMax Drive and the Max Media Player.The ARMax would be usefull to make your own programs whereas the Max Media Player would be another way to transfer files to the GameCube through the memory card,using a SD memory card.I am thinking if the person that made the GC Disc Servers could actually make the program reverse.The program could run off the memory card and read the actual drive inside rather than from the computer side.That way you could upload that from one of those SD cards and use it that way.It would bring up a screen telling you to swap out a disc,but instead just open up the top of the lid and plug the game in.I think this would work,but to get this to boot from the memory card for GameCube I don't think anybody has tried it.
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