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Theory on burning GC
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Hogmyster
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16. October 2004 @ 09:57 |
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also, if you're stil leven attempting it, try using different types of media ... like brand that is.. the drive may be as crazy as nintendo and only work with certain companies media... ;-)
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insomnia8
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17. October 2004 @ 12:32 |
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maybe you can do something with the freeloader disc and make a bootdisc out of that. it can make your PAL GC play USA games so why not copies...with some extra work of course
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OzMick
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17. October 2004 @ 14:11 |
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Gotta agree with kafluke, the fact that you got it to actually recognise you had something in there was massive. It would appear that you are on the right track, but it would be a shame to see all your hard work go to waste if you just give up. It might be time to let some of the rest of the scene know what you are doing and see if some other knowledgable souls might be able to continue your work if you have had enough. Good work getting as far as you have mate.
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17. October 2004 @ 16:12 |
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Hey SuperTed have you tried taking the Dol file and converting the whatever game you are trying to work with to a .ELF file.I forgot to say put the .ELF file on the memory card which would be the converted .DOL file.Then trying to launch the disc from the system.The reason I say this is the fact the dol file is needed alot of times to give boot sequence.I think it is cool you got it to show up also,that takes some work for real.I think it would be cool to know how to do it,but I guess that is a secret right.
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17. October 2004 @ 22:15 |
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I think I know what program you used SuperTed I am not sure,but is it the Reloc2 program from StarCube.I have been messing with GCMTOOL and GCSplit also,but this is what the Reloc2 NFO file says:
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|___________)\____\ |____/(__________ _______:_______:__
|\ ____/_____ ______\____ | ._ /
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/ \| | | \| . ___ |\ \
/ _._________ | |\ ______|___/ | \__ \
)/ : \_______|_______: \_______/ |_______| / \
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______:_________)\ _______.__________________/__________\_____ \_)\
/ /______: : ._ / ._ / /
/ |\_______/_ | | |/ / |/ /_____/
\ |/ / | | |\ \ /_______/
\ /_________/___ |_______|/ / _________ \ |
\_____._____/\_/ \/: / ______/\__/ )/ |
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(1)>> <> Reloc 2 - The Better Way <> <<)
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| Origin...: Windows Filename...: S3-RL201.RAR |
| Released.: 27, May, 2004 GOD / Rars.: 1 / 0x01 MB |
| Console..: GAMECUBE Format.....: .EXE |
| Source...: SOME DOG Supply.....: STARCUBE |
| Company..: STARCUBE Store Date.: NA |
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(2)>> Release Info: <<)
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| GC-ReloC2 - The Better Way. |
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| Reloc2 dont touch the Original File, it will create a |
| new Image - only with the needed Files and put it to |
| the Original Place. |
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| Reloc create a 1,35 GB Image. You can disable the |
| function by using the "-n" parameter. |
| Features: |
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| ╖ Shows ImageName |
| ╖ Shows Disc/Game Serial |
| ╖ Shows ALL known Developer |
| ╖ Shows Apploader Size |
| ╖ Shows Apploader Date |
| ╖ Shows Offset Main Dol |
| ╖ Shows Image Size |
| ╖ Shows Offset FST Address |
| ╖ Shows FST Size |
| ╖ Support the Original Relocation (incl. FST-Mod) |
| ╖ Show Filename / Progress of Moving File |
| ╖ Extract BI2.bin |
| ╖ Extract Main.Dol |
| ╖ Extract Apploader |
| ╖ Extract Original FST |
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| If you are using the -r -n Option wou will get the |
| smallest Image. All needed files will get a new position |
| and the FST will be touched. In some cases the Games |
| will not work. |
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| starcoders '04|
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(3)>> Greetings: <<)
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| Nintendo, Atari, Konami, Namco, Capcom, Sega, SCEI, |
| Hudson, Square Enix, SNK, Tecmo, Treasure, Ancient, |
| Irem & Rockstar Games, and all our friends. |
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/_|\\(>> " Sharper resolution and cooler than ice " <<)//|_\
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I have no clue if this is the right program you used,but is this the same program man.I would like to work on it also,but instead convert the .Dol file for the game or software disc to .ELF file and place that on the memory card.I think there is something missing in the boot sequence to be honest SuperTed.You are on the right track though.
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k-mouse
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26. October 2004 @ 13:46 |
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Come on SuperTed, why don't you answer?
I am myself very eager for this to work, it would be really cool. Don't give up just yet, you can do it man! And if not, imo, you could at least help other people try to make this happen.
Thanks for all you've done for us this far, SuperTed...
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SuperTed
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26. October 2004 @ 14:24 |
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Well guys I can't get it to boot.
I tried several media brands.
Also tried taking the cover off my GC and use a 12cm dvd (full size) but it still didn't work.
Gonna work on something new now.
Keep ya updated soon.
Just wondering around
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indienemo
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27. October 2004 @ 00:56 |
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Don't give up man, I think you got closer than most of us.
"Life is like a box of chocolates, whenever it comes to me all that is left is toffee logs" - Me.
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PC: Athlon 64 X2 4200+ @ 2.4Ghz, 2GB DDR2, X850 PE GFX.
GC: Viper GC w. Cobra bios 1.2
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Clete2
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29. October 2004 @ 11:24 |
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Apparently, someone got it to work.
Check on Suprnova.org, Games -> GameCube -> GameCube hacked video (or something like that)... It shows a video of a guy using a full-sized DVD disc on his GameCube and it's working.
BTW: Mentioning that isn't against the rules, it's not piaracy, it's just a video which is freely avaliable. If this is against the rules, delete my post please.
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29. October 2004 @ 11:37 |
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????????That video is old,and is a fake.We have already discussed this right.It shows a person in the background doing something,that gives it away it is a fake.
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ProStyl3
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29. October 2004 @ 17:44 |
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SuperTed keep tryin because it aint gonna happen ive tried every single rumor on the net using reloc and all. Also you must know that we have no proof that the ripping tool referd to as riptool.dol(this is used in all apps including pheonix) made by WAR3X rips it in a correct fashion so it can be burned. Reloc on the other hand id questionable.
Best Wishes to ya
[offtopic]There is a group out there creating a new loader its in the beginng stages. Do not ask for the groups name or when it will be finished it will take time.[/offtopic]
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Clete2
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29. October 2004 @ 20:34 |
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Sorry, I didn't read the posts, just posted. Yeah, I figured it might be fake (e.g. they could have someone out there mimicking the guy doing that and have the other gamecube with the real game hooked up to the tv).
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kamaswami
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30. October 2004 @ 10:00 |
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hey superted... i was curious, if you took one of the discs you burnt with the bootcode / bootloader stuff on it, if you took that, loaded up pso and ran the iso ripping program to rip your burned disc what would you get?
cause it doesn't look to me like the media is the problem. if gc actually used some proprietary DVD format that couldn't read dvd-R or dvd+r, then you wouldn't have been able to get as far as possible.
if you rerip a game you've burnt, you should be able to compare the rerip to the original rip, maybe even write a C program to read them in and compare them byte by byte. everyone says the gc reads discs backwards, maybe its as simple as reversing the bytes. i dunno, just an idea.
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Clete2
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30. October 2004 @ 10:14 |
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If it reads backwards, when you rip, it will get them backwards, but they appear forwards. So, are you saying that you need to re-reverse the bytes to be backwards since burners can only burn forwards? Sounds like a good idea to try, but I doubt it would work.
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OzMick
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31. October 2004 @ 14:18 |
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kamaswami: that has got to be the best idea posted in here in a long time. I guess it would serve as a kind of an acid test to work out sooo many things. If you are reading this superted, please try it (if you already haven't). It would only take an hour (ed: ok, maybe three or four or...), but it would show you what the GC is *actually seeing* of the disc, and give you some clues on what to fix..
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SuperTed
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1. November 2004 @ 06:25 |
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well...tried taking the burned disc and ripping it back to pc.
here's what happened:
-started riptool and popped in my disc
-started ripping (takes about an hour)
-loading my ripped image in both Phoenix and GC-Tool and it didn't see what gc game it was.
tried loading it back to gc with phoenix and pso, but it kept saying LOADING (on all loaders)
after that tried using pdx-gc discserver, but same here.
So I guess something is wrong with burning.
Gonna try (re)writing the Mkisofs to make it kind of burn backwards (reading the image from the last to the first byte instead of from the first to the last)
Gonna be updating soon!
Just wondering around
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kamaswami
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1. November 2004 @ 07:39 |
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i haven't done any gc development so i realize my posts are more questions than answers but... i do have programming experience.
when you talk of burning a game backwards, that could mean a couple things:
the bytes are on there in reverse order
the actual bits are on there in reverse order
also with the bootloader stuff. on a normally burned cd that is the first thing on the cd right? its the stuff center. burned first.
with a reversed cd, is the boot info on the outside edge? or is it still in the center and the rest of the cd is reversed?
also... aren't dreamcast games backwards? cause they're burnable right? how is it done with DC?
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SuperTed
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1. November 2004 @ 09:20 |
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I mean letting my (re)-written tool(s) read the image backwards.
Just burn the bootinfo @ the begining of the disc and after that let the tool read the image from the last to the first byte while the bytes that are in the memory are getting burned on the disc.
If this works, it's gonna rock!
btw. 8cm dvd's are expensive dudes!
I can buy em in a pack of 2 for 20 euro!
Just wondering around
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AfterDawn Addict
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1. November 2004 @ 09:51 |
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GO GO GOOOOOOO!!!
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Clete2
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1. November 2004 @ 10:03 |
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Not sure about the euro -> USD conversion rate, but I'm sure people here (me included) will be happy to help you out if you need donations to keep trying and buying DVDs. (right now, I can't donate, but can soon)
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Mr69ways
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1. November 2004 @ 15:37 |
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What type of"Mini DVDs" are you using (brand wise). Is it possible to use 210MB "Mini CD's". SuperTed you may be on the right track here. What software is capable of reversing the order of the bit s (info) on Disc.
You guys serious about donations becaus I got about $2.00 in my Paypal account (not much, sorry).
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1. November 2004 @ 16:02 |
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I think 210MB cds will work,but the image has to be alot less than that.If it is a game as mentioned than probably depends on the size of the game image if it will be on Mini Dvd about 1.5Gig discs.I used a couple of Sony brand discs to burn a couple games on them using server method still not booting it up,but I think either memorex or a similiar brand could work.I am not sure,but memorex is a good brand for Xbox.I know it doesn't sound like a very good brand,but they get the job done.I want to mess with the Max drive pro,but don't have enough money right now.I don't want to make a donation thing out of it either.I think it is cool how much progress is coming from SuperTed,but still I say keep it free for everyone if we all can do that.
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Mr69ways
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1. November 2004 @ 16:06 |
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Well I just emailed Codejunkies about when they are going to release the Max Drive Pro (still says coming soon). I wish I could try ripping myself but unfortunely I dont have a copy of PSO. By the way keep up the good work SuperTed
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Clete2
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1. November 2004 @ 17:55 |
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Well, I'm just saying if he's too low on money, I'd be willing to help a bit.
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rfjr23
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2. November 2004 @ 21:30 |
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How bout an udate superted.......Ill help with donation too if needed
believe nothing you hear and half of what you see
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