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These are Burning and Playing GREAT.

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kchev, discs just don't mysteriously stop playing after 6 months to a year, you're funny. Just curious, where did you get the 6 months to a year part from? How bout posting a single piece of info that says these discs will stop playing at any time in the future. You won't find the info so save yourself the google searches or ask someone that actually knows about the technology.

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If the discs have no parity errors after they're burned, then in ideal, safe conditions, they won't have them down the line either. The problem with the few people who claim to of had issues with reading parts of discs down the line seem to almost certainly of been the ones that subject them to scratching or an unsafe environment.

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2) Q: Do discs wear out?

A: Of course, rough handling, dirt and poor storage techniques will physically damage a disc, and eventually render it unreadable. There is also another type of "wear" that discs go through that is related to temperature, moisture and ultraviolet light. These are the stresses that disc makers often use to test media's ability to withstand aging. If you believe the marketers of media, discs will last for "100 years" and "thousands of uses". The truth is somewhat less definite. One factor that has been demonstrated by many users, is that discs that do not burn well and show higher error-rates tend to degrade much faster. In worst cases, they can fail in as little as a few weeks, but months or years is more likely an accurate prediction for the less reliable of the media that's out there. The media should last for many years with careful storage and use. Remember that all media is "burned" with a laser, heat is the process that makes the dye change characteristics and heat will make it unreadable again. "Re-writable" media is well known for being less stable than "write-once" media. In spite of the seller's claims to the contrary, re-writable discs may have a real-world life of only a few dozen write-erase cycles, or less, before they start to have problems with read-errors.

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One factor that has been demonstrated by many users, is that discs that do not burn well and show higher error-rates tend to degrade much faster. In worst cases, they can fail in as little as a few weeks, but months or years is more likely an accurate prediction for the less reliable of the media that's out there.

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Yes they can die just like that. Reasons are ultra violet radiation, heat, unstable chemicals of the disc (meaning low quality), etc.

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Are the TYGO2 type discs considered a good quality? I just picked up 25 from Fry's under GQ label for $9 (on sale).

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And last but not least as far as fakes go, let me ask you, what are considered fakes? Many people will tell you they become furious when they rely on a brand name like Verbatim and come to find out the discs they have so much trust in are manufactured by CMC or another company. Those can absolutely be classified as fakes as Verbatim has zilch to do with the manufacturing process of the discs.

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3.12] How long do DVDs last?
DVDs are read by a laser, so they never wear out from being played since nothing touches the disc. Pressed discs (the kind that movies come on) will probably last longer than you will, anywhere from 50 to 300 years.

Expected longevity of dye-based DVD-R and DVD+R discs is anywhere from 20 to 250 years, about as long as CD-R discs. Some dye formulations (such as phthalocyanine and azo) are more stable and last longer, 100 years or more, compared to 20 or 30 years for less stable dyes.

The phase-change erasable formats (DVD-RAM, DVD-RW, and DVD+RW) have an expected lifetime of 25 to 100 years.

In all cases, longevity can be reduced by poor quality. Poor quality pressed DVDs may deteriorate within a few years, and cheap recordable DVDs may produce errors when recording or may become unreadable after a while. (See 1.24.)

For more info see Lifetime of KODAK CD-R Ultima Media and <www.ee.washington.edu/conselec/CE/kuhn/otherformats/95x9.htm>.

For comparison, magnetic media (tapes and disks) last 10 to 30 years; high-quality, acid-neutral paper can last 100 years or longer; and archival-quality microfilm is projected to last 300 years or more. Note that computer storage media often becomes technically obsolete within 20 to 30 years, long before it physically deteriorates. In other words, before the media becomes unviable it may become difficult or impossible to find equipment that can read it.

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tomripley, you make a somewhat decent point but be realistic. The majority of consumers out there buy a product from a company because they feel that company is reliable. Whether that product be electronics components from Sony or DVD media from Verbatim. I've heard so many people say they buy the 'BEST' DVD MEDIA and I say, ohhh, what is the Best Media...then they'll say Verbatim for example. So clearly they are buying a product because it is perceived that Verbatim manufactures it because their corporate logo is etched onto the top of the discs. That would be o.k if their quality control was superb but unfortunately in many cases Verbatim outsources cheap labor to save money and the consumer is the one who ends up paying. FYI MCC and CMC are two completely different corporations, you should read up on them both. MCC is regarded much more highly then CMC and Verbatim uses those 2 manufacturers as well as another 4 or 5 in addition to those two. Verbatim can make more of a profit with lower quality discs being produced from CMC then they can from say MCC. That is an absolute disgrace and many would agree it's outrageous and unethical. This can be a very long debate, but in short, there's really no such thing as fakes unless a company says they are selling x and y discs and you get a and b.

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