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newtodvd
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1. December 2002 @ 06:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
How do I convert vob to any file format that is recognized by adobe premier, videowave or any other editing program?
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jnihil
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1. December 2002 @ 07:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Demux the video to m2v using VOBrator, and the audio to wav using DVD2AVI. Premiere will import them as long as you have an mpeg2 codec loaded.
newtodvd
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1. December 2002 @ 08:04 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Have you heard of any problems with operating vobrator? I downloaded, extracted, launched and opened a vob file -- after completing the open and extraction, the program crashed and closed. Now I can't get it to open a file withoug crashing. I'm running XP. Could that be it?
newtodvd
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1. December 2002 @ 08:11 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Researching my issue, I found a thread that asked:

The thread read:
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with this problem here: How would I do anything like taking JUST a particular scene/trailer/anything from a DVD and make it an AVI or Quicktime.

I've already used virtualdub(no VOB import),Smartripper(copies VOB),Clad DVD XP(crashes), cladbrc(does nothing), VFAPI reader(no VOB import, wants DV2

Now I know a lot of people are in love with DiVix, BUT it's just another compressor in the class of MPEG type compressors. These compressors do a really good job of making video files REALLY small and still look good AND play full screen smoothly. However I DON'T want small. I want the biggest most uncompressed file on my hard drive I can get(fromDVD). Yes I know DVD is already compressed, but compressing again is not a good idea. I need AVI with no compression or with Ligos compresssion. I need a REAL AVI...all AVIs end with ".avi" not ".mpg".

The answer came back:
Uncompressed AVI.. YUV24 or something similiar. Too lazy to calculate, but I would say it will take around 40 to 70GB per movie to store it as uncompressed AVI.

I don't understand what this means. Can you explain please.
jnihil
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2. December 2002 @ 08:00 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
It's talking about converting the DVD to uncompressed AVI. Don't do it... you'll need enough hard disks to sink a ship!

VOBrator is rather wobbly, isn't it? VOBedit will also demux the video/audio give it a try.
newtodvd
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2. December 2002 @ 10:59 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
VOBrator really is "wobbly". After loading and reloading half a dozen times, I finally got it to "work". Then, after 7:48:32, it came up with an error message. I could have died.

I'll try VOBEdit now. Thanks.
Sondra
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4. December 2002 @ 09:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I only have 5 minutes or less to convert from VOB to AVI. Isn't it worth it to keep the highest quality possible, since it won't take up a huge amount of space?

What is the simplest way to do this? Is VOBEdit the best program? I read a little about SmartRipper. Is that good?

I had somebody put some 3/4" video on DVD to make it easy to get into my computer--not knowing the problems I'd face. Would I get better quality if I had it converted from 3/4" to DV tape? Then I still have to rent a deck to capture it.
Sondra
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4. December 2002 @ 09:23 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Here's something someone wrote on the Adobe Premiere forum, saying you can just rename the VOB files and import them into Premiere. Sounds too easy to be true.

"simply re-name the file from *.vob to *.m2v the steams appear simular, just the extention. Some software cant be fooled, you may also have to chage the file name from VTS_01_1.vob to Movie01.m2v and so on."
jnihil
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4. December 2002 @ 11:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I very much doubt that renaming the .vob to .m2v would 'fool' Premiere. VOBs can contain more than just a video and single audio track.

I used Premiere to edit a DVD just yesterday.

1. RIP will DVDdecrypter.
2. Created a d2v project and WAV with DVD2AVI
3. Created a pseudo AVI using VFAPIreader
4. Imported the pseudo AVI and WAV into Premiere
5. Encoded the video/audio into AVI using the Microsoft DV codec.

Works just dandy.

Rgds,
jnihil.
Sondra
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4. December 2002 @ 12:11 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
jnihil

Thanks for listing the steps you took. Could you give some more detail?

For instance, why use DVDdecrypter for Step 1 and then switch to DVD2AVI? I thought that also converted DVDs (or whatever ripping consists of).

What is a d2v project?

Do I really need a pseudo AVI if my project is short? Wouldn't I get higher quality with a full size AVI? How can I get that?

Besides Premiere, I have Pinnacle Studio 8, which will edit MPEG-2. Are there fewer steps to get to MPEG-2 than AVI? Does it compress the file more than going to AVI? How would the quality compare?


jnihil
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4. December 2002 @ 19:16 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Q. why use DVDdecrypter for Step 1 and then switch to DVD2AVI? I thought that also converted DVDs (or whatever ripping consists of).

A. It's just another example of achieving the same result. DVDdecrytor (or any other Ripper) is required to decypher the data, then I used DVD2AVI to convert the audio to wav since Premiere will not import ac3 audio.

Q. What is a d2v project?

A. Output of DVD2AVI that represents the vob video so that apps such as TMPGEnc and VFAPIreader can read them.

Q. Do I really need a pseudo AVI if my project is short? Wouldn't I get higher quality with a full size AVI? How can I get that?

A. Like we already discussed, demuxing the video to m2v/wav is probably the simplest, but this was just another way to do things. And yes, if your video is short, by all means use uncompressed video.

Q. Besides Premiere, I have Pinnacle Studio 8, which will edit MPEG-2. Are there fewer steps to get to MPEG-2 than AVI? Does it compress the file more than going to AVI? How would the quality compare?

A. If Studio 8 handles MPEG2, then try it. Premiere has some trouble (at least with ver.6) with MPEG2, due to the small number of keyframes I think.

Rgds,
jnihil.


Sondra
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4. December 2002 @ 21:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Then, if I were going to a regular AVI, would I do the first two steps--DVDdecrypter, then DVD2AVI--then go directly to Premiere?

If I were going to edit in MPEG-2, would I still use those two programs or something else?
jnihil
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4. December 2002 @ 22:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Almost. You also need to either:

1. demux the video to m2v, OR
2. Create a pseudo AVI (video only) via VFAPIreader.

THEN you can read the m2v or pseudo AVI, AND the wav file into Premiere.


Sondra
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5. December 2002 @ 07:03 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
OK, I do the first 2 steps and then demux the video to m2v using VOBrator--or VOBedit? I don't want to use something "wobbly." After that, go to Premiere or Studio 8?

What is m2v? Something that Premiere sees as an AVI but isn't?

I was looking at afterdawn's downloads. It says vStrip v0.8f css is the best DVD ripper in the world but complicated to learn. I may not be ready for complicated, but best in the world sounds good. What's the practical difference between best and the rest?
jnihil
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5. December 2002 @ 15:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
They're all much the same in my opinion. Try them. Best you be the judge.
shar_chi
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14. December 2002 @ 17:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
jnihil
Thank You!
When you help one person on the web, you help many people :)
I've been losing hair & sleep trying to get GKnot & others ways to convert VOB to AVI, your steps were this quickest & simplest.
Much Cheers!
vaihinger
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15. December 2002 @ 07:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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jnihil
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19. December 2002 @ 23:06 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
shar_chi, glad to be of some assistance.
Sondra
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22. December 2002 @ 11:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Will DVDCutter Stream and Mp3CDWav Converter 3.2 convert VOBs to AVI in one step? Does it convert both audio and video?

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coticon
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29. January 2003 @ 11:38 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I have done this and have run into a problem which I can not solve. When I rejoin the exported Premier-edited video (as an authored VOB - I use Spruceup), back into the sequence with the other VOBs (that make up the movie) the WAV audio fails to play. Using VOBEdit I can see that the unedited VOBs use AC3 for their audio, while my Premier-edited video outputs its audio as a WAV (PCM) file. Is ther any way that I can play both WAV AND AC3 audio on the same DVD - or is there another solution to this problem?
Tech1
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29. January 2003 @ 21:11 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
hmm.. I was going through the list of progz I needed to do this, but premiere isn't one of the ones I have. :( Is there another way, using the tools listed previously) that I can do a .vob to .avi without using Premiere?

I have 2 movies sitting on my second drive (taking up most of the space) that I need to get coverted down to a CD size AVI file. What are my options as far as using the freeware that's available?
jnihil
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31. January 2003 @ 06:59 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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31. January 2003 @ 08:41 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hello Again , Tech1

I use Premier as the AVI/WAV File editor. To convert a VOB file to an AVI, I use DVD2AVI - it works very well. I have the instructions written for how to do it if you are interested.

Ken
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31. January 2003 @ 12:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@jnihil - Well, looking at the link you listed, I don't see anything in there about using IFOEdit... (or I missed it). I have DVD decrypter, IFOEdit, DVD2AVI, and a few others I can't think of right now... I wanted to take these 2 7-10GB movies, rip them to .vob, IFOEdit them to get rid of the excess bs I don't need and make it a nice, compact .avi file I can put on a CD-R/CD-RW. I ran the first one through IFOEdit and removed the extra sound/video/language options I didn't need but the file seems to be in the 6gb range. I don't know if I'm missing something in the program or if it's just that big until I run it through DVD2AVI??

@coticon - I'm always interrested in how others go about getting their results. I'm assuming you're using premier for doing the same thing that IFOEdit does (extra audio/video/language removal).

The whole part I think I don't understand, is why you have to seperate the video/audio, encode it to m2v/wav/mp2 (or whatever) and then reattach the files. Why can't you just do it all in one shot? I guess I just need to keep digging around in the "howto's" a little longer. :)

Whenever I get into a new project, I always hit the forums first, they're usually the best resource for 'howto' :)

EDIT: One thing I forgot: DVD2AVI isn't making the files into .d2v (supposed to?)... they still come out as .VOB

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coticon
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31. January 2003 @ 13:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hi Tech1,

To answer your question, please understand that I have spent 2 solid weeks working on the Video Editing problem and have just NOW reached a point where the entire process is successful.

There may be shorter and better ways to do what I have done (and that's why I'm posting in this excellent forum - to modify my procedure to make it as easy and as straight forward as possible).

Having said that this is what I have discovered to date.

My initial concept was to be able to take a ripped VOB and simply cut out unwanted portions, rejoin it and Viola!! And this way there would be a minimum of file recompression and changes to the quality of the final product - NOT SO EASY. I tried about 10 chopping/slicing/splicing programs and NONE worked well on just the VOB file. One of two things happen either the program did not have the capability to scan and show you where you were going to make the splice - or if it did, it did not make the splice at the frame that was projected on my screen (sometimes being off by 1-2 minutes!).

So I decided that I had to take at least one step down and split (demux) the file into its audio and video components. When I did this with DVD2AVI I first demus'd to an AVI and an AC3 output - which is what the video originally uses as its audio. BUT, I found that there was a definite lag where the A/V synch would be completely out of whack! I found that I could resynch the two BUT that caused an unacceptable pause or stutter in my final product.

So I went to AVI and WAV - this way I know that I could edit in Premier and get EXCELLENT results. The problem with this method was that I found that there was no sound in the final product for the WAV (edited) portion of the movie. But today I finally solved that problem ith an AC3 encoder program that converts the WAV to back to AC3 audio. And the product is beautiful.

I have documented the entire process and can post it - and although it is very long - it does produce a superior edited movie. Sorry, that's the long answer to your short question - but I want to convey that while the process is NOT straight forward, it can be done to an excellent conclusion.

Regards, Ken
 
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