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A legal Question
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sean5775
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4. January 2005 @ 11:12 |
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I have an interesting legal question about backups of DVD's.
A friend of mine kept all of his original DVD's (about 25 aprox.) in his vehicle because there is a DVD player there and the backups that he made were at home.
He had the originals in the vehicle stolen a few days ago. Now Im sure he will keep them anyways but it sparked a thought for me... IS he legally permitted to keep the backups if he no longer has the originals?
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4. January 2005 @ 11:27 |
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In a court you would have to prove that you owned the originals. There is not a courthouse in the world that would believe you if you did not have the receipts.!
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wowzers
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4. January 2005 @ 13:23 |
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I wouldn't lose too much sleep over something like that. In the Privacy of your own home you can do many things. Its the ones out there that are making a profit from burnt dvd's that are gonna get burnt themselves.
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4. January 2005 @ 13:38 |
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As wowzers said, also in court there has not been 1 person that has been convicted of making backups for personal use, only the fools that sell them get nicked
aye aye man
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4. January 2005 @ 13:42 |
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I really have to agree what the previous posts have said, if you sell them & make a name for yourself, you are asking for trouble. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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fastkart8
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4. January 2005 @ 14:39 |
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so can you go to blockbuster...and rent a DVD...use DVD Shrink to burn it...and take the orginal back? can they tell what you have done?
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4. January 2005 @ 14:59 |
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Yes to your first question, although we cannot condone copying other peoples' movies, as it is illegal in many countries. No to your second, as a dvd is a ROM, as in read only memory. You cannot alter a dvd ROM, by its' very nature!
Shrink cannot burn, only read & compress, you need a burn engine to do that, i.e. nero or decryptor.
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fastkart8
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4. January 2005 @ 15:14 |
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So you can go to blockbuster, rent a DVD, bring it home and burn it. Right? Now, is it illegal? Can they check if you have done it?
Also, my DVD Shrink...makes a copy of the orginal. Sure it puts it on the HD, but it also asks to put a blank DVD in there, and then it copies it.
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4. January 2005 @ 15:17 |
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No i would think it would be illegal, if you read the things at the begining of dvds it tells you all the stuff you cant do with them, and its a big list
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4. January 2005 @ 15:23 |
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I repeat shrink is NOT a burn engine. you must have Nero or another burn engine in your PC for it to burn.
Did you read my last post?
If you cannot alter a dvd ROM, which you cannot, how can blockbuster know that you have done it?
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fastkart8
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4. January 2005 @ 15:32 |
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I know what my computer does! So unless you are here with me, you must NOT know.
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fastkart8
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4. January 2005 @ 15:33 |
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Also, when using DVD Shrink it has the encrypting status. Which is with a copyrighted movie, I didnt know if you could tell if that has been altered with.
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wowzers
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4. January 2005 @ 15:34 |
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It is illegal to go to blockbuster and rent dvd's to burn. You can burn a dvd if you own the original as a backup means. However, you would not be the first one to burn blockbusters movies. Like I said earlier, its the ones that get greedy and want to make a profit from burning that get burnt. There is no need to tell the world about what you are burning. Why does it need to be public? Burn while you can because blue laser discs are entering the market and cannot be ripped. These are the discs that all the big movie corps are gonna be putting their movies on in order to prevent ripping. I'm sure it will take a while for the conversion as well as I'm sure someone will crack these un-rippable dics...........Cheers :)
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fastkart8
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4. January 2005 @ 15:39 |
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Thank you for the response. Your post is exactly what i was looking for. Some other people on this board are assholes. But you cleared everything up, thanks!
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wowzers
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4. January 2005 @ 15:55 |
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Anytime.......Happy Burning!
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wowzers
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4. January 2005 @ 15:57 |
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By the way,Blockbuster cannot tell if their movie has been ripped.I forgot to answer that question in my last reply.......Cheers :)
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fastkart8
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4. January 2005 @ 16:17 |
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Ok, thanks for everything! I wasnt trying to make it public, just wanted to know if blockbuster could spy on you burning their movies.
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brobear
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4. January 2005 @ 16:38 |
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I doubt Blockbuster would send a cashier home to watch you even if you supplied your name and address here. However, beware... Big Brother is watching what goes over the net. You'd be surprised how often piracy and forum discussions are brought up while pending legislation of fair use continues. What is said and the instructions on piracy can have an effect on the laws that govern our future.
Hmm... does Blockbuster know if you're copying their movies? No and they care much less than the politicians hired by the movie industry to curtail fair use rights. That means the politicians and hired "guns" for the industry can use what you say about piracy on here against you.
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4. January 2005 @ 17:07 |
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If you do not own the original movie that you are backing up, then YES it is illegal to copy it. That said, the only way Blockbuster could tell if you copied a disc, is if someone (and they'd have to be pretty flipping stupid to do this) returned the copy of the movie instead of the original. Every DVD that is made, has it's own unique ID#, like a fingerprint. So if you copy a disc, the "fingerprint" gets copied along with everything else. So, theoretically, if someone mistakenly took back the wrong disc, and then later returned the original, they could deduce which disc was copied by this ID#, and then go back through their rental logs to see who rented that disc.
Now the question is, would Blockbuster or any other rental outlet, spend the time and money to do all this?? Most likely not. At the most they might call you and tell you to return the original.
Like I said someone would have to be pretty damn stupid to return a copy. :)
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4. January 2005 @ 17:10 |
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I have returned wrong games b4 ;-)
aye aye man
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Buik
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4. January 2005 @ 17:30 |
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fastkart8
The latest versions of DVDShrink are basically integrated into the latest versions of Nero. They are two seperate programs. They operate independently of each other depending on their settings. Please do not call people a$$holes because you don't know where they are coming from and have not acquired the technical expertise they possess.
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masakari
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4. January 2005 @ 17:58 |
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I have BlockBuster's movie pass, where I can rent an unlimited amount of disks each month for $25. I have 2 at a time and return them for 2 more when I have finshed watching them. (thats how I decide which one's I will purchase retail and am thinking of upgrading to the 3 disk plan) I live like 5 minutes away from the store so it's very convenient. Now if I were to say...make so many trips each day that the clerk knows I couldn't have possibly watched them in the time I returned to the store, that could make him/her suspicious, even though I am a law abiding citizen. Would the clerk care? Who knows? But thats the main thing isn't it? How much would an individual care about something that really doesn't affect them?
Now let me tell an unrelated story that reflects just how much people can care. (Ohh...If I ever find the guy I'm refering to in this story I will F#CK him up!)I joined the Army in March of 1998 and was still in training, thus not allowed to smoke cigarettes. When I was close to finishing A.I.T everyone got a 2 day on post pass. My wife picked me up, and we stopped at a gas station on our way to the hotel for some much needed quality time. (the hotel was just off post and no one would know) I bummed a smoke off of the gas station attendant who was a National Guardsman, and put it in my pocket for later. He made pleasant conversation with me in which I revealed my name, unit, company, and training status. I felt I could speak freely with him because he was a fellow Soldier. When he asked me repeatedly to light the cigarette there in front of him I immediatly stopped talking because something was clearly not right. When I signed back in that night one of the guys in my section told me the loser acctually Narced me out to the Sgt. on CQ duty that day. (how much time did it take him to find the correct # to call and report me? I mean honestly...who would go through the effort?) What saved me was that the Sgt. on duty didn't care, even though it made for interesting conversation with some of the guys who didn't have a ride and didn't even leave the barracks that weekend. Now...What was the point of my Story? Like I said before, this is just to illustrate how much some people can care.
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sean5775
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4. January 2005 @ 19:07 |
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Thanks for all the replies everyone, it answered my original question and some other questions I was thinking of. I have never rented movies for the purpose of burning them and don't really intend to. I never would have thought that no one has been charged for doing so but I definitly agree that people who sell them for profit have gotta be the ones that are causing all the problems.
I have one more thought however. Say I rent a movie from blockbuster and reauthor it to copy just the movie itself, that usually leaves out all the FBI warnings etc. Now I could say that I just used my DVD recorder to record it to a DVD and thats how I got it right? Or would the DVD ID be on that still? I suppose it would be I guess.
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4. January 2005 @ 20:27 |
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Fastcart8, you show little knowledge of what you are talking about, Shrink is NOT a burn engine. When will you realise that shrink DOES NOT burn? it uses Nero to burn with. You really need to pay attention & think.
If you call me an asshole again I WILL report you to a mod. They do not take lightly to insults.
I cannot understand why you turned on me. I answered your question clearly in my first post.
You need to to wise up & treat people here with respect, I tried to help you, & you treated me like a complete jackass. If you continue like this you will end up getting banned
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4. January 2005 @ 20:30 |
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By the way, fastcart8, you have shown to me & others that you have NO clue how your PC works.
Bite me, end of discussion.
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