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A legal Question
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4. January 2005 @ 20:53 |
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first of blockbuster sucks. the new policy on no late fees are total b.s. they'll charge you the full price of the movie in 7 days which can range from $15-$85 freakin' bucks. but they say that they will give you a full refund minus a $1.25 surcharge if it is returned within 30 days. after that your anna nicole smith looking for a dead man.
hollywood video rocks, i'm on their mvp pass. oh the topic, yeah backups are cool.....damn cool
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sean5775
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4. January 2005 @ 21:03 |
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Sorry I just used blockbuster for their popularity I suppose, I never been inside one in my life. I go to movie gallery, they don't have a great selection but my friend works there and usually cuts me a great deal.
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4. January 2005 @ 21:13 |
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go out and explore!!
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5. January 2005 @ 00:37 |
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I have Nero, and I know what my computer does! So unless you are here with me, you must NOT know
fastkart8,
Actually pulsar knows exactly what he's talking about. Shrink cannot burn, it must have a burn engine. Since you have admitted to having nero on your PC, most likely shrink is using that.
Go to edit>preferences>fileI/O and you'll probably see that "enable auto burn with nero" is checked.
he doesn't have to be there to know how the software works, Shrink CANNOT BURN, trust me on this one :>)
 GO VOLS !This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 5. January 2005 @ 13:48
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maven1975
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5. January 2005 @ 00:43 |
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Well in the U.K it is illegal to back up a DVD even if you own the original.
So if you have a copy and you get grassed up Trading Standards will pay you a vist and then you will end up with a hefty court fine or imprisonment depending if you have been done before for the same thing.
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sean5775
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5. January 2005 @ 06:02 |
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"Well in the U.K it is illegal to back up a DVD even if you own the original"
Thats a little harsh isn't it. Why don't they just not sell DVD burners there then. Or DVD-R's thats the only way to stop people from doing it, but wait the companies that make this stuff want to make money so thats not going to happen.
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maven1975
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5. January 2005 @ 07:07 |
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Yes it is harsh i agree.
But that is the law and as the movie and game companies donate money to our goverment they are becoming tougher and tougher on those that offend (obviously this has nothing to do about the money they are dontating LOL)
In the U.K anyone who backs up a disc, will be portrayed as Drug dealers/Traffickers, Terrorists, Child Molesters, all so that the law abiding citizen will grass some one up with some back ups.
U.K law is very stupid, whilst they will fine someone say £3000 for copyright theft, a drink driver who kills another human being will get a £500 fine and a suspended senteance, complete joke !!!!!.
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masakari
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5. January 2005 @ 08:47 |
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Wow! The UK really sucks!!! I hate it for you Maven! I wonder...are there many people over in the UK that uhhh...how shall I say this..."Care"?
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maven1975
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5. January 2005 @ 08:50 |
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You will be suprised by how many twats there are that will stitch you up.
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5. January 2005 @ 11:05 |
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Masakari, in answer to your question, "who in the UK cares". I believe the answer to that would be "not many"
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maven1975
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5. January 2005 @ 13:39 |
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I have to admit im not entirely sure what you 2 actually mean ?
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5. January 2005 @ 13:42 |
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Maven, I am referring to who cares about the legal implications of backing up dvds in the UK!
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5. January 2005 @ 13:45 |
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People in the UK would care, also maven how many people have you heard of that have been fined £3000? AND Trading Standards dont deal with people copyin DVDS the police do, And its only illgeal to back up dvds in the UK without the publishers say so (i think)
aye aye man
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maven1975
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5. January 2005 @ 13:52 |
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A close friend of mine i can only assume was either grassed up, or a fellow trader of his was busted, as Trading Standards came knocking. He had 75 PS2 backups in his possesion.
It was his first offence for anything yet he had to goto court and was fined £1500 & £1500 costs.
He only avoided a prison senteance because his partner was pregnant at the time and that was taking into consideration.
Trading Standards are evil b******* and seem to have no compassion unlike the police who where present when he was raided, as the officer told him he had better things to do but they have to be present.
The best of it was when they where all leaving the police had to ask the Trading Standards officers if he was going to be arrested or not, needless to say they did not arrest him as they had their evidence.
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5. January 2005 @ 13:55 |
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aye aye man
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maven1975
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5. January 2005 @ 14:03 |
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Nope, anything involving copyright act offences etc, is dealt with by Trading Standards in the U.K.
They are pretty much like Customs & Exercise who have more power then the police in these matters.
And as far as i know he was not selling but it dont matter if you get raided whether you are selling or not.
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5. January 2005 @ 14:06 |
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Well i live in Scotland and i only know of one person who was a friends dad and it was the police that kicked down his door and took his computers away, the last i heard he was heading for a bit of jail time
Also YES it matters if you are selling, I know this because ive been in a house thats been raided b4. The only reason the police or anyone else will raid people if they know for a fact there selling it would be a bit hard getting the go ahead to kick sum 1's door down that is not selling ;-)
aye aye man
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masakari
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5. January 2005 @ 16:53 |
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I'm very disturbed to hear all of these things and very glad I live in the U.S. Man...I know the temptation is big, to illeagaly build a large DVD library with video stores, and all of the free programs out there. I can only believe that some great attention was drawn to those who's houses were raided.
And to clarify what I was asking Maven, and really just to make others more aware. How many people in the UK or in the U.S. would sell you out with nothing to lose and nothing to gain. I know my long story had nothing to do with DVD copyrights. But can you believe...that guy took time out of his day to try and get me in trouble? No one paid him more money. He didn't get more sex from his wife. I bet his dick gets smaller and his bald spot bigger every time he does something like that. But he made a great effort to bring some pain, because he probably hated his life or something.
Now those of you who get excited about the fact that copy protection is often cracked by great minds in our community, even the same week as the release of the title, need to listen! TRY NOT TO RUN YOU MOUTH!! I'm only in my 30's, but have had to learned the hard way that people suck! Those who don't have the courage to do these great things, can only get satisfaction by getting other people snagged, since they are cowards! Please remember this and Happy Burning.
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brobear
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5. January 2005 @ 17:46 |
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Trading Standards in the UK is as powerful as the IRS in the US. No checks and/or balances. They don't need proof to obtain a warrant and they can take and hold equipment on suspicion. Appears they're not accountable to anyone either. When they want the doors knocked down, they take along the police. I wonder if the police are going along willingly or not. After all, there is the cop mentality, they like knocking down doors and tearing things up for fun. So never say Trading Standards can't do something. They do as they bloody well please. Flaunting piracy on forums just makes it easier for such organizations to justify their existence.
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5. January 2005 @ 18:24 |
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Its all one anyway ;-) I dont sell them so i dont have any worrys, Cause thats the only way any 1 would goto jail, still a £3000 still sucks
aye aye man
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5. January 2005 @ 18:34 |
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I concur, if you are selling them, or you make a name for yourself, then you are asking for trouble!
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5. January 2005 @ 18:38 |
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Let's be fair about the U.K since I live here, and am proud to do so.
The only time the Standard Trading folk get inolved, is when 'people' compete with legitimate trade.
And if 'people' decide to take a chance, by, trading in open car boot sales with a few hundred 'G,s'of (hookie gear),or in back-street stores with rip-off VCD's in the back of a van/truck; then the revenue guys catch em, and that's their back luck.
There's two sides 't every coin, apart from those well bent.
And it is a reallality, here in our 'beleauged' U.K
Crime whether organised or not, Drugs 'n Prostitution, Pornongraphy/AND/Paedofiles take advantage of our state.
Apart from that, I gotta go with the good guys fastkart8 you really are a prat.
El gringle..
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brobear
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5. January 2005 @ 20:16 |
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I'm not a resident of the UK. But I do know people who are. I also know that Trading Standards gets involved in more than just the sale of pirated music and videos and their illegal sales. As someone mentioned earlier, they get into any aspect of copyright infringement.
Read some of the disclaimers and usage agreements on the software you use. Just altering a program in a certain manner entails copyright infringement. If Standards believe your activity can be classified as copyright infringement according to a usage agreement, they can come after you. All it takes is a call from someone who doesn't like you and you will at least kiss your equipment good bye until Standards takes the notion to prosecute or give it back. I wouldn't think they have the same fine for everything, but from what I hear, Standards deals harshly with anyone they go after. They aren't pushed by time so they are in no hurry to stop turning the screws on a person. By the way, this did happen and continues to happen. Trading Standards are messing with legitimate business people who someone had a grudge against. Got an enemy, report him to Standards.
Most countries have a branch of government that was given too much power due to some over sight. In the US that is the IRS and there are some other questionable ones. The UK has Trading Standards. Law enforcement or the military have the unlimited powers in many countries. So, I wasn't picking on the UK; just its Trading Standards organization.
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sean5775
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5. January 2005 @ 20:41 |
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So do any of you have any links to news articles about someone being charged for simply backing up a DVD? Surely if it happened then a big deal was likely made of it.
Also they could watch someone purchase a DVD burner and basically know they are going to do something illegal with it, at least by the way things are in the UK. I mean there are probably less then 1% of all people who only use their DVD burner for legal purposes according to what you are saying. Copying your own home videos and personal data are basically the only legal purpose of a DVD burner in the UK.
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brobear
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5. January 2005 @ 21:37 |
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Trading Standards is busy all the time. However, I don't see much of them in the press for any of their work. Whether they're busting pirates or going after people who have altered software. (I have no idea if they've gone after an individual for copying his own dvds.) Some of these cases where programs have been reengineered for profit I can see as worthwhile prosecution. But where work with apps is nonprofit and harms no one, including the original author, I don't see the purpose.
Trading standards has gone after people who were only helping others with their recording software. Nothing was being stolen and no one was making a buck. In fact time was being donated for free. This is the type Big Brother behavior I find unconscionable. This is where a government bureaucracy oversteps legitimate bounds to influence fair use rights by intimidating those who would help people exercise fair use rights of backing up legally owned CDs and DVDs. One only needs to check the dockets to find these cases. Plus, if you don't think there is intimidation being felt, just check with help forum administration in the UK and other EU countries and the US. Governments, with influence from the recording industries, are tightening the screws on the consumer where fair use rights are concerned.
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