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burning copy protected dvds
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Pattykmn
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17. October 2004 @ 17:42 |
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That's why I'm so happy... 20-25 minutes will be great compared to the two hours the very first one took.
I really appreciate all the help and guidance I found here; thanks :)
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ScubaPete
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17. October 2004 @ 18:27 |
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Hey there Brobear, is that really you ???
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Someone way back in this thread mentioned Imation as a less than desirable brand. Look again, that is one of the brands manufactured by Ricoh and is one of the better brands unless they change manufacturers.
You haven't been around for awhile there good guy, It's been a bit since I listed Imitation BUT a bit of Imitation is still made by CMC (dye type unknown) as is our Memorex, Verbatim (not the stuff I listed) and Phillips (some of which is made by Mitsubishi). Speaking of Mitsubishi, they make Memorex (in the 25-spindle pack only) as well as some a lot of the stuff we like. Memorex still has 90% of their stuff listed by me as crap.
As they say, "The players may change but the game is the game." And to think it was once limited to walnut shells - or maybe not (Lol)
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On the question of ripping speeds, lets all get on the same playing field first.
Brings to mind another saying, "If Wishes were Horses then Beggars would be Kings."
A great thought BUT Newbies must be accepted as what they are, Newbies. IMHO, tis pure folly to try to teach Newbies the correct terminology PRIOR to giving them help. When they say that their "Ripping" takes them a couple of hours, I know what they mean and will forgo the lecture on incorrect terminology and answer their questions.
When someone knows the difference between Rendering, Ripping, Encoding and Burning then I'll send them to the Advanced Forum.
That being said, May I have your permission to use your explanation for future times when a Newbie asks the difference between the different parts of the process ? It was such a good explanation I would really hate for it to go to waste (Lol)
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That contact cleaner is a bit pricier than vinegar and water
And your point is that there is no other way to clean a disc ?
Brobear, I know you didn't mean that -Of course there are a thousand different ways and some may wish a choice no matter what - it's not ours to wonder why -
(Glad you stopped by, :)
Wcombs9,
PLEASE go back to my guide on the first page, that target number was too low, a revised number is in the updated guide -
Cheers,
Pete
BTW, Big "O", you're still doing a most excellent job -
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brobear
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17. October 2004 @ 22:22 |
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Pete
Feel free to use the description, it became public property as soon as it hit the forum. You're right when beginners say things in context, we can usually figure out what they mean. However, when they start giving times on different aspects of recording and they conflict, then we have confusion. That's why I gave the brief description to get the beginners started in understanding what they're saying, instead of trying to sound like some old "burners".
As far as cleaners go, a soft cloth and water or a soft cloth will suffice to do the job. Anything that will remove the smudges and not damage the disc surface is acceptable. I was just handing out the glass cleaner formula because vinegar and water are commonly found items that are not damaging to most surfaces. It's even something of a bio friendly cleaner and does a better than average job. I'm sure most folks know the many ways to clean a surface. Heck, they can spit on it if they want to or even pour beer on it; however the latter would be a real waste. LOL
Pete, I guess I should have been more specific on Imation media. Imation +R is good, Imation -R is questionable. I always use +R so I sometimes overlook pointing out the -R. Guess I should be more careful as you should be in lumping an entire brand as bad or good because of one segment of their offering. The +R Imation are manufactured by Ricoh unless things have changed recently. CMC is the manufacturer for the -R Imation media. I didn't notice your mentioning Ricoh as a manufacturer and brand. They are one of the better disks along with MCC, TY, and Ritek. Those 4 manufacturers produce most of the quality media we recommend.
The set up at Imation is similar to that of Memorex until this past year. For a long time Memorex was selling +R Ricoh and -R CMC. Then Memorex started using CMC for both +R and -R. That's how you get the reports of good and bad media with Memorex in the past. It was hard to keep up with what they were selling when. Then one runs into different stock of particular offerings, such as a spindle of media by one manufacturer and jewel cases by another. It's just when the media comes down the supply system as well as who is currently manufacturing for the brand. I got a bulk shipment of Memorex pancakes by Ricoh. Then I purchased a small spindle and found CMC. That was when I stopped purchasing Memorex. At that time CMC had started supplying + and -R media and Ricoh was out of the Memorex picture except for old stock. Ritek even made some media for Memorex. It's just such a gamble that Memorex is questionable for the prices they normally ask.
Media and who manufactured it and who sold it is confusing and sometimes misleading.
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As they say, "The players may change but the game is the game." And to think it was once limited to walnut shells - or maybe not (Lol)
Reminds me of the time I said buying media can be like a crapshoot. Appears we've finally started to agree on this subject Pete. So the best we can do is name a brand that has been consistent. We should also try to remember what they were consistent at because brands sell different manufacturers' merchandise and in the case of media the + and -R often have different manufacture codes; i.e. Ritek branded -R is Ritek, but the Ritek-Ridata +R is a Ricoh. (I hear Ritek and Ricoh are sister companies now.) The point being that long dissertations on good and bad are confusing. Unless it's brought up I just say +R in Verbatim, Maxell, Imation, RiData and Ricoh are safe bets for getting Ricoh manufactured media. (With Verbatim one has the likelihood of getting MCC or TY which are as good or better than Ricoh.) Ritek branded is the best bet for a consistant -R. I don't do much -R so I don't keep up with those brands and manufacturers off the top of my head.
Where is that list of yours Pete? I'd like to take a peek so I'll know more on the media subject.
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Corona40
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17. October 2004 @ 22:25 |
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Many thanks ScubaPete;
I have been very succesfull backing up several of my movies thanks to your precise and funny way of explaining the backup mystery..
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brobear
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17. October 2004 @ 22:46 |
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We all agree that Pete is the "Newbie Renaissance Man". His work with beginners is exemplary.
Had enough yet? Have a good evening Pete.
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Braves05
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18. October 2004 @ 03:09 |
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i am having a problem with buring dvds with Nero. I used X video Converter to convert my files to .VOB files. and that worked great but now i am stuck because i dont kno who program to use to combime all the files into one. I used IFOEdit and after 7% an error comes up to many frames droped. SO if anyone can tell me what to do i would be very happy
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18. October 2004 @ 06:22 |
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NVE(NeroVisionExpress) will let you combine the files, create chapters, and then create a menu, and then burn to disc. It comes in the Nero Ultra 6 suite.
BTW, NVE will also convert the files for you eliminating the need for another program such as X video converter :>)
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18. October 2004 @ 07:10 |
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Newbie here. Tried to read through most of the threads. Sorry if this is a repeat. I originally was using DVDXCOPY Platinum, but was having "Error writing DVD - Please see log file" errors. Saw Scuba Pete's suggestions on DVD Shrink and decided to give it a try. I had little problem using it and burned a backup using it and Nero (I received Nero OEM 5 Bundle when I bought my DVD Burner - Toshiba 5272). It plays fine on my PC, but my DVD Player won't play it. Never had this problem with DVDXCOPY. So I'm not sure what I did wrong? Any suggestions?
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18. October 2004 @ 12:51 |
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I have over 500 movies all labled with the reliable and trusty Sharpie.
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
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Shaddy
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18. October 2004 @ 13:32 |
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ScubaPete! BigOrange! Flip! Help, guys! The image-making process has now degenerated into an unbelievable crawl! Before, it used to take about 20 minutes to copy to my hard disk, now it's almost 3 hours!
At first I thought that I was working with movies that were unique in some way, but now I realise that regardless of the source disc, it has simply become a VEEEERRRYY slow process.
I even disabled a lot in the System Configuration Utility (Start, Run, msconfig) to free up system resources but that was clearly not the problem.
Please help me out here, guys. I'll buy pizza and beer.
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18. October 2004 @ 15:08 |
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Shaddy, not sure if this is your problem or not. I'm a newbie, but I saw this on another thread:
SLOW RIPS,Could be in PIO mode, READ HERE
Could be in PIO mode, check it with this:
Go to
My Computer
Control Panel
System
Hardware
Device Manager
IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Open the installed IDE channels (Primary and Secondary)
Click on Advanced settings Pay close attention to step 9
You will see the transfer mode. Change it to DMA if available. If any are PIO you need to un-install the channel (right click on the channel and choose uninstall) and re-boot. Windows will reinstall the device and return it to DMA mode.
Be careful when using this procedure because if you have an older hard drive or storage device that does not support DMA you could corrupt your data.
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18. October 2004 @ 15:16 |
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SLOW RIPS,Could be in PIO mode, READ HERE
shaddy, I think we covered this already in this thread, but sometimes your PC will revert back to PIO from DMA (if available) which would indeed slow your backup times down as beltline has mentioned.
Also you might need a fresh uninstall/reinstall. Lots of times that will clear thing up
How long are your burn times taking?
EDIT**-yep we did discuss this, on page 16 of this thread, at the time you said it was your source video, is it now doing it with anything?
Have you tried any other apps just to narrow the problem down? If it only does it with /shrink/decrypter we know it's the program, if it does it w/another app we know it's your PC.
PS-I prefer Jack Daniels over beer, LOL :>)
GO VOLS !
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18. October 2004 @ 15:23 |
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I received Nero OEM 5 Bundle when I bought my DVD Burner - Toshiba 5272).
beltline, two things come to mind. Player compatibility, and what media are you using?
Also, that's an old version of Nero, i would recommend updating to Ultra 6. You can use it each and every month for the ENTIRE month for free till you decide to purchase the upgrade. (i highly recommend it) It has a ton of audio/video apps plus cover design, photoshop, tookit, etc. it must be reloaded at the beginning of each month as long as you use the trial version :>)
GO VOLS !
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ScubaPete
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18. October 2004 @ 15:58 |
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brobear,
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I guess I should have been more specific on Imation media
I thought I already mentioned that its been some time since I posted anything about Imatition, do you feel that it's necessary to muddle up this thread with a non-arguement ? It was going along so nice and peaceful and nary a mention of Imatation until just now. May I inquire why ?
Hey there beltline,
Why to go there good guy, you hit the nail oin the head.
Now, THAT'S what it's all about - You see something you can help out on, jjust jump right in -
Yep, it keeps right on rambling on -
Cheers,
Pete
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brobear
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18. October 2004 @ 16:21 |
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Pete
The muddle was started by you and if there is a non argument it is in your own mind. I thought we agreed. I'll just muddle on out of here, seems something about my presence bothers "his imminence".
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18. October 2004 @ 16:30 |
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Brobear, so is it the software that burns the backup that DVD players have issue with or the DVD-R? My DVD has played all the copy's I made with dvdxcopy so I assumed the DVD-R I was using were ok, but if it's the software then that could explain it.
I'm almost embarrased to say the DVD-R's I use. They're GQ, I get them at Fry's and pay .19 cents a dvd. They've worked great so far. Just having issues with the software I was using. That's why I'm trying out DVDSHRINK.
Thanks guys for the help.
Beltline
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brobear
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18. October 2004 @ 16:40 |
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I listed Imitation BUT a bit of Imitation is still made by CMC (dye type unknown) as is our Memorex, Verbatim (not the stuff I listed) and Phillips (some of which is made by Mitsubishi). Speaking of Mitsubishi, they make Memorex (in the 25-spindle pack only) as well as some a lot of the stuff we like. Memorex still has 90% of their stuff listed by me as crap.
Oh how quickly we forget. I was only clarifying for the other members the Imation situation you mentioned previously and was brought up by a member and started the so called muddling. I just wanted to point out the +R and -R difference. I note you mentioned not keeping tabs on Imation and your classification of Memorex. I said in my post that we agreed. Ricoh is a top line manufacturer and the +R Imation is a good product. Saying Imation is bad is doing a disservice to all (I'll note here you said little to nothing about current Imation quality in your last posts on this thread). Listing their -R media as questionable would be valid. So, you are right about a non argument. My question is why you made an issue of a non argument, as you say, that wasn't even at issue. Kindly find someone else to try to reprimand. Muddling over.
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18. October 2004 @ 16:47 |
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I'm almost embarrased to say the DVD-R's I use. They're GQ, I get them at Fry's and pay .19 cents a dvd.
They may work now, what about a year from now?
What about right now? By using good quality media this question wouldn't even be an issue right now.
Media is a larger issue than people give it credit for, especially newbies. This isn't CD burning or VHS recording, this is DVD backup. The most CPU intensive thing your PC can do! It isn't just a matter of maybe one's quality is a little better than another, it's a matter of getting your backups to even work properly.
Why do you go thru all the trouble and expense of getting a PC capable of DVD burning, invest in software and then toss it all out the window to save 10 cents?
Also, with cheap media, you stand the chance of inconsistency, one batch may work while the mext 3 won't, or visa versa.
If you've read the threads, and I take it you have(since you are embarrased to admit your media), then you know what media is recommended. And at under .50 each with free shipping, it shouldn't be a problem.
is it the software that burns the backup that DVD players have issue with or the DVD-R
Usually compatibility issues have to do with + or -, R or RW. It can (and is a lot of the time) be the media even tho the formats are compatible. Again, by using good dependable media you eliminate that side of it as long as the formats are compatible. You can then look elsewhere if you have problems.
GO VOLS !
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18. October 2004 @ 17:09 |
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beltline
There are several causes for a recorded DVD not playing. Bad media could be a cause. Another is the player and in some instances even the burner.
In the case of standalone DVD players, some are touchy about the format. Some of the older players would only play -R. The newer ones will play most formats including CD. So with players, check the model to see what formats are compatible. A little googling will usually turn up the info if you can't get it easily from the manufacturer support.
Just to give you some different situations I've run into personally:
DVDs recorded on my burner work in my player and my son's. They wouldn't play in another family member's player. I record using +R Ricoh media most of the time, +R format all the time.
A tried viewing a backup a friend recorded on the same type media I use and my standalone player wouldn't play it. As a test I recorded the file from his DVD on my computer and burned with my burner and the DVD played in the standalone. The only difference was the burner.
So far I've only used one batch of questionable media. It just so happened I was working out some software problems at the time; so I don't know if a couple of coasters were media or software. The media wasn't cheap, just questionable. The best advice I can give you is to buy a reputable brand that has a good track record. The one's you have don't. About the cheapest good media I've seen lately is the Ritek and RiData from Meritline.
I'd advise getting some decent media to insure that isn't your problem. On the part of the software, unless there is a problem with a corrupted program, neither Shrink nor XCopy should affect the player as far as media format or playability. Sometimes a burner program can make a difference, but I know of no instances of this happening with Shrink and Nero or Decryter.
Try this and see if it solves your problem. Use ADD Remove in the control panel and delete your programs. Then run your cleanup utilities and Reg cleaner. Reboot and install the programs. Then use some good media. Usually this takes care of most problems.
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Shaddy
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18. October 2004 @ 17:13 |
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Thanks for the replies, guys. My IDE channels are already set to "DMA (if available)", beltline, so that rules that out.
BigO, you're right - we did discuss this earlier but the problem never cleared up but in fact worsened. I naively thought that it would just snap out of its sluggish phase or something.
I did try one other app - Nero. All it did was have DVD Shrink take about 4 hours to make an image to my hard drive and as soon as the copy process began, a HUGE error message apeared, listing all of my hardware and settings and stuff like that, and stated that there was an internal error and that Nero cannot continue. "Operation failed".
When I first used Nero for DVD backups, it was when I bought my DVD writer last week - a Sony DRU-710A - and Nero came as a bundle. It immediately said that the disc was copyrighted and that it could not be copied.
The combination of Decrypter/Shrink worked like magic for the ten or so discs that I made, in spite of error messages that appeared there too.
I think it would be great if we could talk on the phone or something more direct because while I appreciate this forum a lot, it doesn't allow for immediacy of response.
I think I've answered all of the questions - so a bit of assistance would be awesome. Thanks, guys.
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18. October 2004 @ 17:35 |
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Shaddy, let's straighten out a couple of things.
1)decrypter rips and burns but won't compress or edit/re-author
2)shrink rips, edits/re-authors, compresses, but won't burn.
3)Nero edits/re-authors, compresses, and burns, but won't rip.
As you can see it takes a combo of two to work, any two. (unless the source needs no compressing or editing, then u can use decrypter in ISO mode to rip and burn because it will only burn iso files).
Soooo, the reason Nero wouldn't work is because it can't rip, or get around the encryption. Rip with decrypter in file mode to your hard drive, then open Nero recode and browse to those files. Use recode as you would shrink, they work almost exactly the same.
If you have problems, just shout, we'll at least narrow down wherein your problem lies :>)
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18. October 2004 @ 19:42 |
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i tried to burn a copy of the punisher using dvd-shrink, and it said the disc had a copy right law. so i was reading these threads at work today and came across one that said to decrpyt with DVD Decrypter. i downloaded both of these recently and have been following scuba's directions. however i was really confused once the decrypter was through with the movie. what is the next step to the process?
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18. October 2004 @ 20:07 |
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Open shrink, click on open files, browse to the folder you just ripped with decrypter, and click on it, shrink will then start analyzing.
If you need help on shrink, I wrote a simple guide using shrink 3.2, either using this method, or ripping from the disc and burning with decrypter or Nero.. It's on page 13 of this thread 2/3 of the way down :>)
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buckley28
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18. October 2004 @ 20:15 |
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SubaPete,
OK so after some major education on burning DVD's I have come to the last couple of questions. Just to get you up to speed I have installed both the Shrink Program and the DVD Decryptor and had success with following the instructions you set forth for all of us. I know have my first ISO image on my HD awaiting the transfer onto an actual DVD disc. This is where I get a little messy.
I have a Dell which came with the Sonic RecordNow software. I dont plan on using it but my problem is that I just was educated to the fact that I have a 16x DVD+RW drive which came with the computer. Totally fast and everything but the discs I just bought (from eBay) that are the dual sided DVD-R. You know the ones that fit 9.4GB? Anyway after looking through some of the posts I am I correct in understanding that my drive does not support the format of the discs? Because as bCat6 stated "medium is not present so it's not burning the DVD" came up when I was going to do the actual burning of the file. I think I am correct but need some clarification.
One last thing, I understand from reading certain areas around the internet that the dual sided (9.4GB) DVD+RW will not be available for sometime to the general public. Is this so? If not where can I get some so I dont have to break up or reduce any of the movies ready to be burned?
Thanks bud, you've been a huge help thus far.
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Shaddy
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18. October 2004 @ 21:00 |
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Thanks for the useful info, BigO. I used a combination of Decrypter in file mode and Nero Recode as you suggested, and the process went smothly. No error messages.
The disc, however, won't play. It is not being recogised by the DVD-ROM or by the DVD player connected to my TV. The brand is TDK.
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