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The complete HD (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) back-up thread.
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murph99
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10. October 2008 @ 21:05 |
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Str8Pryd,
The encoding failed. What is the folder path you have named for the log file? I think this is where the problem happened. TY
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10. October 2008 @ 23:58 |
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Originally posted by murph99:
The encoding failed. What is the folder path you have named for the log file? I think this is where the problem happened.
The folder I named is C:\Program Files\MeGUI v0.3.0.3001\logs, which is an existing folder in the MeGUI setup. It has not caused me any trouble, though. You can click on the configure button and choose a new location, if you think that will help. This is, by the way, for the x264 log. I made no changes to the MeGUI log location, which is also in the same location listed above.
As I've stated before, I'm no expert in all of this and am learning right along with most of you. I am just trying to pay back the learning experience with a little compilation work. In other words, if anyone else wants to chime in with any potential solutions, I would welcome the input! :D
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momocampo
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11. October 2008 @ 03:54 |
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Hi
So ok Str8Pryd, i have to tell congratulations for this fantastic guide!
Otherwise, i'm looking for someone who can explain me the problem of the 23,24,25 and 29.97 in the audio files... No problem for the image for exemple, when i convert a hddvd video 29.97 to 23.97 i just remove the pulldown and the video is good. In the guide, there is that
so a track from HDTV, DVD, r HD‐DVD at 29.97 FPS (Frames per Second) should require no alteration to be paired with video at 23.976 FPS. The length of the track should be the same.
How is it possible???
Thanks for the one can help me.
Bye
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11. October 2008 @ 11:06 |
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Originally posted by momocampo:
Str8Pryd, i have to tell congratulations for this fantastic guide!
Otherwise, i'm looking for someone who can explain me the problem of the 23,24,25 and 29.97 in the audio files... No problem for the image for exemple, when i convert a hddvd video 29.97 to 23.97 i just remove the pulldown and the video is good. In the guide, there is that
so a track from HDTV, DVD, or HD‐DVD at 29.97 FPS (Frames per Second) should require no alteration to be paired with video at 23.976 FPS. The length of the track should be the same.
How is it possible?
Thank you very much for the compliment; I do appreciate that! As for the frame rate issue, here is the way I understand it:
Here in the United States, our electrical grid operates at ~60Hz, or ~60 cycles per second alternating current, so television was created here to "paint" half a picture per cycle on the screen, resulting in ~30 FPS (I'm rounding off the actual number). Video cameras here film at that rate, also, causing no issues with television. This is the NTSC standard, used in North America and Japan, also known as Region 1 for DVD (Region A for Blu-ray).
However, a standard motion picture, as it would appear in a theater, is filmed at ~24 FPS (again, rounding off the actual number), which doesn't translate directly to television or DVD. The trick that is used is to add some frames to the video stream so that the picture timing matches the frame rate for television, but it doesn't actually change the length of the video in terms of time. Therefore, the audio is unmodified as the time length does not change.
Blu-ray uses a new disc manufacturing procedure and new standards that match motion picture film at ~24 FPS. HD-DVD is, essentially, just a standard DVD, except that it uses a blue laser instead of a red laser to read/write. Because blue light has a much tighter wavelength than red, it allows more data to be written to the same space. HD-DVD continues to use the NTSC standard of ~30 FPS.
Now, having said all of that, you may know that in Europe (you're in France, right?), the grid operates at 50Hz, making television 25 FPS, the PAL standard. Since 25 FPS is only 4% different than 24 FPS, motion pictures converted to PAL are simply sped up 4%, since most people wouldn't notice this minor difference. In the case of a PAL HDTV source, you will have to slow the audio down, as well, by using E-AC3to PAL slowdown, or equivalent.
With the exception of a PAL source, your audio should still match up. You might think of audio, in this case, as working similar to subtitles, in that changing video frame rate doesn't affect at what time the proper subtitle should show up. Even if you alter your video, the subtitles and audio stream should still match up. Let me put it this way:
If your source material is 23.976 FPS, you will need to re-time none of the streams.
If your source material is 25.000 FPS, you will need to re-time all of the streams (PAL slowdown).
If your source material is 29.970 FPS, you will need to re-time the video only (inverse telecine/inverse 3:2 pulldown).
I know that English is not your primary language (though it seems good to me), so I hope this makes sense to you. I am no stranger to standard DVD, but HD is still fairly new to me, so I may not be so good at explaining all of this, either. I encourage anyone else who has a better explanation, or any corrections, to please chime in. I strongly dislike incorrect information getting spread around!
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momocampo
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11. October 2008 @ 18:07 |
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Hi Str8Pryd
First thanks a lot for having take time to answer me :)
I have to say after reading your post, it's clear for me. I understand the difference between the formats. So i have already tried to do a job with a video in HD (already coded at 23.976) and sound at 25fps on my dvd's. I use besweet and convert 25=>23.976 and adjust a little bit after with a delay and it's good!!
After tsmuxer and imgburn, the dvd plays well but there are no chapters(i have read something about that so depend of the hardware so it is maybe normal).
Now my next job is to convert my HDDVD's to dvd9.
Thanks and bye
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KMK420
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12. October 2008 @ 20:53 |
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Ok, pure blu-ray/hd noob here.
Basically, my goal is to rip a BRDVD to my HD, and just playback using VLC or something of that nature.
What i followed was to rip the dvd using ANYDVD, then use txmuxer to open the 000000.m2ts file or whatever, then mux.
only part i'm confused on, is that the STREAM folder has like, 30 .m2ts files and the output file tsmuxer makes is only 600megs...and is ONLY the intro screen (menu) of the movie.
what am i missing? thx for those who can help..
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13. October 2008 @ 07:36 |
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Originally posted by momocampo:
After tsmuxer and imgburn, the dvd plays well but there are no chapters.
You know, I have the same problem with tsMuxeR. If I select "Insert chapter every xx minutes", it works fine, but when I insert a custom chapter list, only a few of the chapter points work. I hope this issue is either resolved, or at least explained to me, at some point, but it is such a minor issue to me that I don't worry much about it.
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13. October 2008 @ 07:53 |
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Originally posted by KMK420:
[The] only part i'm confused on, is that the STREAM folder has like, 30 .m2ts files and the output file tsmuxer makes is only 600megs...and is ONLY the intro screen (menu) of the movie.
It sounds like you've got one of those discs where the main feature is broken up across several files. They could be split by chapters, by time intervals, or by whatever strange standard the manufacturer decided on. This can be done simply to confuse people like us by having the pieces in a random, non-sequential order.
There is a program called BDInfo that is supposed to give you all of the information you could ever want about the structure of any given Blu-ray disc/folder. Among its features is the ability to analyze the structure of the playlist file. In other words, it will tell you which order the files are to be played in to recreate the main feature. With that information, you can then use something like tsMuxeR to append these files into one seamless stream.
Click on the link above to download this program free from AfterDawn but please understand that I have never actually used it, so you will have to search around if you have any questions regarding its actual use. From the looks of it, though, it appears fairly straightforward.
I hope that answers your question or, at least, points you in the right direction. Good luck!
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13. October 2008 @ 08:00 |
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Originally posted by Str8Pryd:
Originally posted by momocampo:
After tsmuxer and imgburn, the dvd plays well but there are no chapters.
You know, I have the same problem with tsMuxeR. If I select "Insert chapter every xx minutes", it works fine, but when I insert a custom chapter list, only a few of the chapter points work. I hope this issue is either resolved, or at least explained to me, at some point, but it is such a minor issue to me that I don't worry much about it.
Custom chapters have always worked fine for me. They must be in the following format. hh:mm:ss.000
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13. October 2008 @ 08:23 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
Originally posted by Str8Pryd:
Originally posted by momocampo:
After tsmuxer and imgburn, the dvd plays well but there are no chapters.
You know, I have the same problem with tsMuxeR. If I select "Insert chapter every xx minutes", it works fine, but when I insert a custom chapter list, only a few of the chapter points work. I hope this issue is either resolved, or at least explained to me, at some point, but it is such a minor issue to me that I don't worry much about it.
Custom chapters have always worked fine for me. They must be in the following format. hh:mm:ss.000
Perhaps it is a hardware issue, then. After having no luck with the hh:mm:ss.xxx format, I rounded off the decimals to the nearest full second, giving me hh:mm:ss.000, as you said, but it still acts up on me. I can skip forward, or backward, and sometimes it will work, while other times, it will skip 20 chapters, or more. It's not exactly a major headache for me, by any means, but I don't know why it works that way for me.
You know what, though? When I set chapters on a thumb drive for testing, it seems to work fine, though I've never dumped more than 15 minutes on a USB drive. Still, this is why I suspect a possible hardware issue with the actual burnt disc.
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momocampo
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13. October 2008 @ 08:44 |
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Ok Str8Pryd thanks for your reply, i'm happy to see i'm not alone with this problem. It's not very important so we will wait for a new version of tsmuxer.
See you
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13. October 2008 @ 09:11 |
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Originally posted by Str8Pryd:
Originally posted by KMK420:
[The] only part i'm confused on, is that the STREAM folder has like, 30 .m2ts files and the output file tsmuxer makes is only 600megs...and is ONLY the intro screen (menu) of the movie.
It sounds like you've got one of those discs where the main feature is broken up across several files. They could be split by chapters, by time intervals, or by whatever strange standard the manufacturer decided on. This can be done simply to confuse people like us by having the pieces in a random, non-sequential order.
There is a program called BDInfo that is supposed to give you all of the information you could ever want about the structure of any given Blu-ray disc/folder. Among its features is the ability to analyze the structure of the playlist file. In other words, it will tell you which order the files are to be played in to recreate the main feature. With that information, you can then use something like tsMuxeR to append these files into one seamless stream.
Click on the link above to download this program free from AfterDawn but please understand that I have never actually used it, so you will have to search around if you have any questions regarding its actual use. From the looks of it, though, it appears fairly straightforward.
If you have no luck there, odin24 has a method that will extract the necessary information from the disc, but it involves modifying your BD drive firmware and using DOS commands to locate the data. While this method is not as difficult as it sounds, it can be very intimidating to anyone who is not familiar with command-line work.
I hope that answers your question or, at least, points you in the right direction. Good luck!
For seamless branching titles tsMuxeR isn't the greatest, it does get the job done but doesn't fix audio gaps and/or overlaps, eac3to can do this properly.
Even if you are not familiar with eac3to, it can at least detect which playlist file (MPLS) files you need to append the whole movie together. Simply type in the exact directory of the eac3to file followed by a space, then the exact location of your ripped BD movie (or even straight off the disc with AnyDVD HD running), it should tell you all of m2ts files needed plus whatever MPLS they fall under.
c:\directory_of_eac3to\eac3to c:\directory_of_movie
If you are reading directly from a drive you do not need to specify the movie directory, juts the drive letter.
c:\directory_of_eac3to\eac3to f:
Notice here there are two versions of the movie, we'll use #1, which has two m2ts files to the main movie, 00001.m2ts and 00002.m2ts, which can be properly seamlessly branched together using 00001.mpls.
By adding the line number "1)" to the end of the original command line, this will give you the track information.
Then, again, using the same command line with which track number you want, and where you want it to go you can demux using eac3to. You can enter a command to demux all of the streams, or do it one by one. Shown below is a single track (the video stream). Also, notice all of the audio streams have small delays (-9ms), using tsMuxeR, when demuxing just the audio stream, these delays are not applied.
The only problem demuxing using eac3to is it cannot demux .pgs subtitles. I'll just use the proper mpls file in tsMuxeR and demux with it. EDIT: correction, yes it does, demux to .sup format.
Eac3to is a poweful little application that can do pretty much everything, aside from actually recoding video, if you are interested in really learning how to use it you can follow along in the Doom9 forum. The link below was actually started by the author of eac3to.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125966
Hope this helps.
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13. October 2008 @ 09:55 |
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I bow to your superior knowledge, odin24! Excellent presentation! The question for me, then, is regarding the multiple m2ts files: When this is the case, does your example still apply?
What I mean is- does eac3to and/or Windows CMD.exe use the MPLS to display the split files as the one complete stream that it appears to be when played?
In other words, when you demux the video stream by command line, as shown in your sample screenshots, is eac3to ripping the stream as one file when, in reality, it could be multiple files on the disc/folder?
f: 1) 2: shows a stream of 2:23:16. Could that, in reality, be multiple small files, but be displayed and, therefore, ripped (demuxed) as a seamless stream?
How many more ways can I ask this question and still be vague about my intentions? :D
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13. October 2008 @ 10:05 |
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Originally posted by KMK420:
Ok, pure blu-ray/hd noob here.
Basically, my goal is to rip a BRDVD to my HD, and just playback using VLC or something of that nature.
What i followed was to rip the dvd using ANYDVD, then use txmuxer to open the 000000.m2ts file or whatever, then mux.
only part i'm confused on, is that the STREAM folder has like, 30 .m2ts files and the output file tsmuxer makes is only 600megs...and is ONLY the intro screen (menu) of the movie.
what am i missing? thx for those who can help..
If you are only ripping with the purpose of playing straight from your hard drive, why don't you multiplex (mux) with MKVtoolnix and create a Matroska (MKV) file instead?
You will save about 6% with the final file size (Blu-ray headers).
Media Player Classic with FFDshow and Haali does a good job of playing back HD content. :-)
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13. October 2008 @ 10:05 |
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Originally posted by Str8Pryd:
I bow to your superior knowledge, odin24! Excellent presentation! The question for me, then, is regarding the multiple m2ts files: When this is the case, does your example still apply?
What I mean is- does eac3to and/or Windows CMD.exe use the MPLS to display the split files as the one complete stream that it appears to be when played?I'm not sure how it works, maybe it does read the MPLS file, but I do know it works.
In other words, when you demux the video stream by command line, as shown in your sample screenshots, is eac3to ripping the stream as one file when, in reality, it could be multiple files on the disc/folder?When ripped (or demuxed) the final file will be whole, not several small files that need appending.
f: 1) 2: shows a stream of 2:23:16. Could that, in reality, be multiple small files, but be displayed and, therefore, ripped (demuxed) as a seamless stream? In the case above it is just two parts to the main movie, it will be demuxed to one.
How many more ways can I ask this question and still be vague about my intentions? :D probably seveal more, LOL
Looks closely at the second line of the first image, is show which mpls file contains the whole main movie, which consists of only two m2ts files. If there was more than just two it would show them there... unfortunately I do not have a disc with more than two part to the main movie. If/when I do get one with more parts to the main movie I will post as an example.
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13. October 2008 @ 10:11 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
Originally posted by Str8Pryd:
I bow to your superior knowledge, odin24! Excellent presentation! The question for me, then, is regarding the multiple m2ts files: When this is the case, does your example still apply?
What I mean is- does eac3to and/or Windows CMD.exe use the MPLS to display the split files as the one complete stream that it appears to be when played?I'm not sure how it works, maybe it does read the MPLS file, but I do know it works.
In other words, when you demux the video stream by command line, as shown in your sample screenshots, is eac3to ripping the stream as one file when, in reality, it could be multiple files on the disc/folder?When ripped (or demuxed) the final file will be whole, not several small files that need appending.
f: 1) 2: shows a stream of 2:23:16. Could that, in reality, be multiple small files, but be displayed and, therefore, ripped (demuxed) as a seamless stream? In the case above it is just two parts to the main movie, it will be demuxed to one.
How many more ways can I ask this question and still be vague about my intentions? :D probably seveal more, LOL
Looks closely at the second line of the first image, is show which mpls file contains the whole main movie, which consists of only two m2ts files. If there was more than just two it would show them there... unfortunately I do not have a disc with more than two part to the main movie. If/when I do get one with more parts to the main movie I will post as an example.
If you don't mind me interjecting here...
Yes, Str8Pryd whenever you are using the playlist (mpls) file through tsMuxeR or EAC3to, then the stream will be treated as one complete file. This applies whether you decide to demux streams, re-encode audio etc. etc.
I recently re-encoded a Blu-ray that consisted of about 8 separate M2TS files for the main movie and I used the playlist file to demux and then re-encode. Everything went ahead as normal and end result was fine.
Multiple M2TS files will be automatically joined (seamlessly) via the data in the playlist file.
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13. October 2008 @ 10:50 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
Looks closely at the second line of the first image, is show which mpls file contains the whole main movie, which consists of only two m2ts files. If there was more than just two it would show them there... unfortunately I do not have a disc with more than two part to the main movie. If/when I do get one with more parts to the main movie I will post as an example.
Ah, so I see! It appears, on closer inspection, that each segment, if you will, of data shows a different MPLS and that each playlist, in turn, shows the queue of M2TS files needed to complete that particular playlist.
Originally posted by Ryu77:
If you don't mind me interjecting here...
I don't know about odin24, but I certainly encourage it!
Originally posted by Ryu77:
Yes, Str8Pryd whenever you are using the playlist (mpls) file through tsMuxeR or EAC3to, then the stream will be treated as one complete file. This applies whether you decide to demux streams, re-encode audio etc. etc.
I recently re-encoded a Blu-ray that consisted of about 8 separate M2TS files for the main movie and I used the playlist file to demux and then re-encode. Everything went ahead as normal and end result was fine.
Multiple M2TS files will be automatically joined (seamlessly) via the data in the playlist file.
That is most excellent to know! I suppose that, then, begs the question as to whether the command-line routine is necessary for the original purpose here.
It seems that using tsMuxeR to append multiple M2TS files could end up with some issues since, as odin24 mentioned, it will not apply the small delays that are shown in his screenshot. If, however, tsMuxeR could demux the feature, using the MPLS, into a single seamless stream, would it do so properly? (I haven't yet encountered a split feature. So far, it's been obvious, without the MPLS, to determine which M2TS file contained the feature. Therefore, I have no experience, so far, with the playlist features of tsMuxeR.)
I am not afraid to do a little command-line work to achieve the desired results, but I don't think I would like to try to explain the procedures in a "Blu-ray for Dummies" scenario, if you know what I mean. If a freeware GUI can achieve good results, that would be in keeping with the goals of the guide manual and I would consider integrating that information... in all my spare time. :P
In case I haven't mentioned it lately, thank you both (and many others) for all of your help. I'm still a noob around here. I hope this discussion is furthering the goals of this thread, rather than hijacking it.
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13. October 2008 @ 12:44 |
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Originally posted by Str8Pryd:
Originally posted by Ryu77:
If you don't mind me interjecting here...
I don't know about odin24, but I certainly encourage it!
No I don't mind, Ryu77 knows a helluva lot more about this stuff than I do.
Originally posted by Str8Pryd:
It seems that using tsMuxeR to append multiple M2TS files could end up with some issues since, as odin24 mentioned, it will not apply the small delays that are shown in his screenshot. If, however, tsMuxeR could demux the feature, using the MPLS, into a single seamless stream, would it do so properly? (I haven't yet encountered a split feature. So far, it's been obvious, without the MPLS, to determine which M2TS file contained the feature. Therefore, I have no experience, so far, with the playlist features of tsMuxeR.)
I am also under the impression that delays are not applied if you demux to raw streams (AC3, DTS, etc), however if they are remuxed using the MPLS playlist to either m2ts, or Blu-ray using tsMuxeR I think you will be OK. This is what was discussed in the Doom9 forum.
Personally I have only worked with a few seamless branching titles, using tsMuxeR, and honestly I cannot remember if there were any problems.
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Alright, thanks for the information guys - but it seems like there's about 3 different ways i can just watch directly from the hard drive.
MKVmerge tells me i have to set the parameters as far as the FPS goes, as it can't determine with .m2ts files (.m2ts isn't a recognized format by default) Second, i saw someone say that when you have multiple (i have about 30) .m2ts files, they may not be in "order" and you have to know which ones to put in after one another for seamless video/audio playback.
Then there was a post about eac3to, which i really have no idea how i would go about using it.
See...I'm coming from ancient history, using dvd decrypter + dvdshrink, and that was it...voila. It seems like all the aforementioned options are kind of "scattered"...
So, my question: What is the simplest method to take multiple (or 1) .m2ts files (created by anydvd) and get them into 1 playable format on my hard drive?
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14. October 2008 @ 06:12 |
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The Blu-ray Conversion Tool Kit has been updated:
A week ago, I updated the tools, courtesy of Ryu77, to include the most recent versions of MeGUI, the x264 encoder, the Ryu77 Blu-ray Profile, and tsMuxeR. Today I have updated only the guide manual to reflect the minor changes (mostly just new screenshots) introduced by the updates.
Cheers! :D
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Anyone have any info on my above post? I have no idea how to use BDInfo, and it really doesn't explain how to read the playlist files to know how to use tsmuxer to combine all them into one..
when i attempt (which, my attempts are always shots in the dark)...i get "Bad AC3 stream, please resync" or something of that nature...what?? i'm so lost...any help would be greatly appreciated..again my goal is to simply get multiple .m2ts files in order, combined into one simple file for playback using media player classic, vlc, etc...to watch on my PC.
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15. October 2008 @ 14:25 |
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I'm sure this has been answered in the past but I am curious. A normal Blu-Ray movie is typically 25 - 30gb in size. When we extract and burn a movie onto a dvd9 8gb disc how much picture quality are we losing?
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Originally posted by murph99:
A normal Blu-Ray movie is typically 25 - 30gb in size. When we extract and burn a movie onto a dvd9 8gb disc how much picture quality are we losing?
It seems that many BD movies come on a BD-25 disc. By the time you strip out just the main feature, you are usually well under 25GB.
Even when you aren't, you still have to take into account that you will likely be stripping out several languages and subtitles from the main feature, as well as downcoding the HD-level audio to a much, much smaller DVD-level audio.
After all of that, you should be well under 20GB, at which point you will only be reducing your video size to roughly half. As you may know from standard DVD "shrinking", the difference is not all that great and if you shrink your DVDs with an actual re-encoder, such as Cinema Craft, etc., the difference is imperceptible. The same is true of HD video- you won't really be able to tell the difference.
Consider this: What you see on broadcast HDTV is typically compressed far more than what you will be doing by converting HD to DVD-9. I think you'll be hard-pressed to tell the difference and will, in fact, be quite surprised with the quality. If not, you may have run into an exception to the norm.
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Originally posted by murph99:
I'm sure this has been answered in the past but I am curious. A normal Blu-Ray movie is typically 25 - 30gb in size. When we extract and burn a movie onto a dvd9 8gb disc how much picture quality are we losing?
You cannot really quantify this. It all depends on how you recode the video, if you use a good encoder and the proper settings your quality loss will be minimal. On the other hand, with the wrong settings your output could really be a mess. So no number could really be assigned to this, there are too many variables.
Are you talking about splitting a 25GB over several discs, or recoding to fit on one disc? If several discs, there will be zero quality loss.
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15. October 2008 @ 18:36 |
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Reencoding to one disc. I couldn't quite tell if or how much of a difference one of my encoded discs quality vs. a store bought blu-ray.
Does anyone know how to copy a avchd blu-ray compliant disc that I made using tsmuxer, megui, etc? This is the disc created with the BDMV and certificate folders.
I want to copy it and was not sure if I should use Nero Burning Rom DVD ISO or DVD Rom UDF.
Thank you.
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