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14. April 2005 @ 14:32 |
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noticed one interesting new phenomenom -- "vigilantism
When I see a friend, or any member, for that matter get flamed, for what appears to be no reason,Im jumping in and helping.Im thinking thats what was meant by that word vigilantism.
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14. April 2005 @ 15:22 |
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I think people should be free to ask whatever they want.
If no one answers their question it falls off the radar.
I could see where someone bugged and bugged with the same dumb question, but if they really needed it, they'd search.
If they're just causing a fuss, and that's not what this forum was made for.
If someone does answer it they've helped that member.
I don't think people mind answering questions, especially us younger members who feel the need to contribute.
Why's it so hard, if it's like shooting fish in a barrel, anyway?
Then you have members that want to take their frustration out on people who don't follow the rules, also not what this forum is about, at least that's what I thought.
Afterdawn's efficiency for getting questions answered through their forum is why people come here.
I don't care, I'll answer anything I can if I'm bored enough
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14. April 2005 @ 15:55 |
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I have made so many friends in the time I have been here. I have only ever asked 3 maybe 4 questions since I joined over 17 months ago!
I get a real buzz out of helping someone. It is great when you get a thanks. some have even PM'd to express their gratitude! That really does make it worthwhile. I really enjoy the banter we have, even the hard hitting stuff! It makes for an interesting night in. All these people from all over the world, one goal, usually getting there too!
I can get annoyed when I see the dreaded Bourne Supremacy, RE Apocalypse, Spanglish.. etc etc questions that crop up. Most probs are easy to solve. Just a little stimulation of the old grey matter is required. I have a thing about giving things a go, nothing ventured, nothing gained is a good maxim. Some give up without really trying. Info can help, it can be somewhat lacking at times.
Hey ho, these things are here to try us & it beats being in the local hostelry all night spending a fortune.
Sometimes I can be a bit hard on people. It is only if they are not putting the same effort as I have in to the task.
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14. April 2005 @ 15:56 |
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drd's message is about newbies & not when a newbie or a member attacks another member quote" What I mean by this is that when a newbie makes a mistake, violates our forum rules, etc, that thread gets about gazillion posts typically with rather sarcastic and sometimes even offensive (yes, in instance when there's blatant spam attempts, etc sarcasm and even few nicely selected words are appropriate, IMO, but not in case when a n00b asks a question without understanding our rules about piracy, etc) tone. unquote"
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14. April 2005 @ 17:19 |
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Hey all,
Been reading everyone's posts on this subject and I think there is one thing to agree.
Your damned if you do, your damned if you don't.
So you can help alot, but then too much help gets taxing and you start to feel frustrated and annoyed. Even worse, there have been posts where several REALLY educated members who have help new users were pretty much given a rude response because the original poster didn't like the answers that were given and wanted them to walk them through it. Humans are generally helpful in nature and will help anyone out if they can or would like to, so it is only fitting that people will constantly answer repeatitive questions, but at the same time, it kinda gets old for some, while others tend to just do it because they still want to help those who can't help themselves or know that they will just post somewhere else and just to answer them and be done with it.
There are people who just come on here and just ask a question, get a response, then take off.
Then there are those, who ask constant repeatitive questions, because they don't know how to do a search or don't want to be bothered because they know that someone will answer them.
Then there are those who do a search and ask good questions.
Then there are those who spam multiple forums in trying to get a question answered.
And lastly, there are those who kinda "act stupid" and really don't understand the language of following instructions, and want people to give them STEP by STEP instructions.
So, when you first get here, I can understand that...we were all new once, and we all did asked questions, until we learned better, hopefully that is. Well, there are some who take the time to research what they are looking for and those who don't care and know that there will be those who will answer no matter how inane the question might be. See it around constantly. Now, everyone here has GREAT opinions, even the new users, but the fact remains, you either want to answer it or not. This is pretty much the bottom line. Jizmak and I discussed this in the posts that was mentioned on the first page, and then there is my little rant on about the use of the search button.
But whether you are old, new, addict, newbie, senior, or just browsing this site before you even sign up. The truth is, is that there are very simple ways to helping people, but those that help themselves will value the information that they receive. Take for instance my post on the thread I did about the joining of the .avi's. Now, I COULD have asked a question, and did get alittle frustrated because I didn't have the right codec, but I took the time and looked up the info, only reason because I knew what I searched and I checked out the guides every so often to see if I can learn something new.
But that is the point really. Whether you want to learn or you want to have someone tell you. I can guarantee that the longer you are here, you start to search for your answers. I seriously don't think that some users like pulsar, jim_dandy, ddp, drd, neph, jizmak, scubabud, mr. del, Rotary, andmerr, djscoop, quadratic, squizzle (sorry if I left anyone out and I know I have, hehe), would ask a question like this now:
I wonder how do I burn a dvd?
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What are the best sites to d/l games/movies/shows from?
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What is the best P2P out there?
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How do I convert my cd over to mp3?
But truthfully, it all comes down whether or not we want to help, or anyone for that matter. If you want to help, great...good for you. If not, then all you can do is move on to another post and dish out your knowledge there. Simple as that really. We all feel strongly about the use of the search button and whether or not we want to give a smart @ss comment, or answer a repeatitive question, hell, I've SO wanted to do that before. But you just kinda go with the flow.
Google is a GREAT tool! You can find ANYTHING on there, and the internet, well hell man, IF you know what to look for, you can find ANYTHING online for free. So, you do kinda "evolve" with your searching techniques and mostly, if you know what you are looking you don't need to ask a question. But hey, if you do, then just go ahead and ask. No harm, no foul. And those users who are tired of the repeatitive q's, might as well leave them to other new members to answer, because eventually, they and you, will either get tired of it, or answer it.
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BTW...in reference to the attacks on whomever for no personal reason, that is just ridiculous. Take for instance, this post:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/173194
Now, honestly, was that REALLY necessary what Salem said. That was just ASKING for a hit back. I don't see why, if you are engaged in a debate, you would NEED to single out ONE person because of something that you said and put there name in your reply back, can't you just same user? I mean hell, would you appreciate it if someone pointed you out in a post for no reason only because they wanted to get a rise out of you? Think before you act. Because what comes around, goes around. Why do you think some REALLY good users decided not to post anymore?
"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
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14. April 2005 @ 21:07 |
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I seriously don't think that some users like pulsar, jim_dandy, ddp, drd, neph, jizmak, scubabud, mr. del, rotary (sorry if I left anyone out), would ask a question like this now:
YOu left me out man but i guess that was intentional and payback for all those memorex jibes (LOL)
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But truthfully, it all comes down whether or not we want to help, or anyone for that matter. If you want to help, great...good for you. If not, then all you can do is move on to another post and dish out your knowledge there. Simple as that really
In a nutshell that is it.WE ARE HERE TO HELP, even though people have there own method of posting.Fair enough its not the way we would like them to do it but at least we are getting people here who are askiung questions and ultimately getting answers to there questions.
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15. April 2005 @ 02:54 |
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Wow, Im gone for a few days and this thread blew up in replies. Im glad there is debate on this and A LOT OF GOOD POINTS!
Bottom line Im getting from this thread is that everyone here does want to help, but would just like repetitive questions to stop or at least slow down.
I was thinking and at first I thought telling someone to "just do a search" was good, but then I put myself in a n00bs shoes and I would probably just put my head between my legs and maybe do a half-hearted search or just maybe move on to a another forum. Although I do think they should of known better and have done that search in the first place, but remembers, THATS WHY THEY ARE NOOBS.
So how do we help them more than already do without scaring them away from afterdawn by telling them to "just do a search" or just ignoring them. Both can turn them away from here quick!
I think it should just start from the top. I have been on other forums that before you post a new thread there is a prompt they asks, "To avoid repeat questions, we highly suggest you do a search before you before adding a new topic. Have you done a search before making this post?" And then if you click to proceed to make the new post, it asks you again, "Are you sure you done a search before making a new post," then if you select yes, it lets you make your post. Now, to me, this seems very polite and straight foward that the forum means business in keeping their forum clean and it doesn't come off mean or empty.
Also, aD has been expanding their tuts a lot, but seem very limited as far a xbox/ps2 goes. I know there are some tuts on the top of some pages, but maybe expanding those or even when someone wants to post a new topic in particular forum page, have tutorials links for that particular topic listed right above the "Your Nick" part of the create page. These are just some suggestions that could reduce the repeat threads.
BTW, you can't really do anything about flaming except ignore people that do (I admit I do it sometimes too). I also know it is human nature to talk back we someone flames, but i have seen too many threads go WAY off topic when members turn a thread into a Raging Forest Fire that just burns up the topic and changes into a bitchfest and sometimes leaves the person who originally asked the question more lost then when they first asked a question.
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18. April 2005 @ 18:50 |
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I kinda hate when peoples posts are just too damn long!!!Quote:
Hey all,
Been reading everyone's posts on this subject and I think there is one thing to agree.
Your damned if you do, your damned if you don't.
So you can help alot, but then too much help gets taxing and you start to feel frustrated and annoyed. Even worse, there have been posts where several REALLY educated members who have help new users were pretty much given a rude response because the original poster didn't like the answers that were given and wanted them to walk them through it. Humans are generally helpful in nature and will help anyone out if they can or would like to, so it is only fitting that people will constantly answer repeatitive questions, but at the same time, it kinda gets old for some, while others tend to just do it because they still want to help those who can't help themselves or know that they will just post somewhere else and just to answer them and be done with it.
There are people who just come on here and just ask a question, get a response, then take off.
Then there are those, who ask constant repeatitive questions, because they don't know how to do a search or don't want to be bothered because they know that someone will answer them.
Then there are those who do a search and ask good questions.
Then there are those who spam multiple forums in trying to get a question answered.
And lastly, there are those who kinda "act stupid" and really don't understand the language of following instructions, and want people to give them STEP by STEP instructions.
So, when you first get here, I can understand that...we were all new once, and we all did asked questions, until we learned better, hopefully that is. Well, there are some who take the time to research what they are looking for and those who don't care and know that there will be those who will answer no matter how inane the question might be. See it around constantly. Now, everyone here has GREAT opinions, even the new users, but the fact remains, you either want to answer it or not. This is pretty much the bottom line. Jizmak and I discussed this in the posts that was mentioned on the first page, and then there is my little rant on about the use of the search button.
But whether you are old, new, addict, newbie, senior, or just browsing this site before you even sign up. The truth is, is that there are very simple ways to helping people, but those that help themselves will value the information that they receive. Take for instance my post on the thread I did about the joining of the .avi's. Now, I COULD have asked a question, and did get alittle frustrated because I didn't have the right codec, but I took the time and looked up the info, only reason because I knew what I searched and I checked out the guides every so often to see if I can learn something new.
But that is the point really. Whether you want to learn or you want to have someone tell you. I can guarantee that the longer you are here, you start to search for your answers. I seriously don't think that some users like pulsar, jim_dandy, ddp, drd, neph, jizmak, scubabud, mr. del, Rotary, andmerr, djscoop, quadratic, squizzle (sorry if I left anyone out and I know I have, hehe), would ask a question like this now:
I wonder how do I burn a dvd?
or
What are the best sites to d/l games/movies/shows from?
or
What is the best P2P out there?
or
How do I convert my cd over to mp3?
But truthfully, it all comes down whether or not we want to help, or anyone for that matter. If you want to help, great...good for you. If not, then all you can do is move on to another post and dish out your knowledge there. Simple as that really. We all feel strongly about the use of the search button and whether or not we want to give a smart @ss comment, or answer a repeatitive question, hell, I've SO wanted to do that before. But you just kinda go with the flow.
Google is a GREAT tool! You can find ANYTHING on there, and the internet, well hell man, IF you know what to look for, you can find ANYTHING online for free. So, you do kinda "evolve" with your searching techniques and mostly, if you know what you are looking you don't need to ask a question. But hey, if you do, then just go ahead and ask. No harm, no foul. And those users who are tired of the repeatitive q's, might as well leave them to other new members to answer, because eventually, they and you, will either get tired of it, or answer it.
;P
BTW...in reference to the attacks on whomever for no personal reason, that is just ridiculous. Take for instance, this post:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/173194
Now, honestly, was that REALLY necessary what Salem said. That was just ASKING for a hit back. I don't see why, if you are engaged in a debate, you would NEED to single out ONE person because of something that you said and put there name in your reply back, can't you just same user? I mean hell, would you appreciate it if someone pointed you out in a post for no reason only because they wanted to get a rise out of you? Think before you act. Because what comes around, goes around. Why do you think some REALLY good users decided not to post anymore?
How do you ever expect anyone to read all of this? I want an answer now!!!I don't have time to read all of this!!!
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18. April 2005 @ 19:27 |
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Well zen, that's all nice and well, but I don't really care if you want to read it all or not, I didn't ask you.
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If you want to read it fine, knowone is stopping you.
BTW, you know what I hate, I hate when people point out one particular person instead of just answering the question and topic at hand.
Honestly, did you just become a member like yesterday or something? This thread isn't about what members hate, it is about members telling new users about the search function, you are like a week to late buddy. So, let's try and stick to the thread topic.
Oh yeah, and lastly...if you want a answer now...here it is:
google.com, all the answers you could ever want
"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
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18. April 2005 @ 19:34 |
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zenarrrow, must have read it to post it so must have the time to read it so what are you complaining about than???
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18. April 2005 @ 20:59 |
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BTW, expanding on ddp post, this is not a chat room, this is a message forum. There is a difference, chat rooms are for short quick talk, where message boards like this are for long percise Q & A. Thats what makes them so helpful
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19. April 2005 @ 06:47 |
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What is with all the flaming thats been happening here in the safety valve lately?This is where your supposed to be able to vent, without repercussions.
Rather I agree, or disagree, with what venom is saying, is besides the point.I will,like many others in here,defend his right to say it.
zenarrrow,we expect this kind of thing out of the newbies, that dont know how to behave,but not from an established member.
It's really not venoms fault, your attention span is nonexistent.
The link venom gave on his post, was a thread dealing with this same thing..."singling people out of a crowd",and as you can see, if you can find the time to read it(<---bigtime sarcasm inserted here)I was the target of the attack,Venom was one of the first to help me out.So I take exception to this kind of attack.
If you want short, meaningless conversations,do like deezp1 says,and hang out in yahoo or msn,you can chat with all the bots, that infest those places.
*end of rant*
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19. April 2005 @ 11:35 |
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here, here!!!!
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19. April 2005 @ 14:35 |
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Not to be so offensive but dont you think this thread is not needed???
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andmerr
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19. April 2005 @ 14:49 |
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its not offensive that comment.
Have noticed of late that the safety value seems to be spilling over into every other forum with off beat humor ,off topic posts and maybe that would explain for you zenmarrow why people are leaving.Might also be the flaming, lack of respect for each other as well
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19. April 2005 @ 14:53 |
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Not to be so offensive but dont you think this thread is not needed???
It is needed:
1. if it wasn't needed, it wouldn't have any responses and so far this one is going pretty strong
2. It IS in the "SAFTY VALVE" section were pretty much anything goes and people use it to speak out and talk about gripes.
3. If a n00b, reads this they might make them think twice before the decide to ask a question before doing a search
4. If a long time Member reads this, it gives them the chance to talk about how to deal with n00bs that ask repetetive questions.
I think a lot of good has come out of this thread, if you don't agree with it or just don't think it should be here, then just don't read it. Nobody is obliagated to read any thread, if you don't, thats fine, if you do, you might learn something.
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19. April 2005 @ 14:55 |
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well put.
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zenarrrow
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19. April 2005 @ 15:41 |
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Hey fellas, I hope you know I was just fooling around I meant no harm. OK? I do appreciate this forum and you well established members I do believe everyone in here (this thread) has helped me out one time or another. I take it upon myself to insert humor in sometimes hot threads, sorry if it was out of line. Anyway like I said just kiddin' and take care!!! See you were struck with the zen arrow! ---zen-->
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19. April 2005 @ 16:01 |
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Ok, well I.....you know, don't know what to say. I guess everyone has had their say in it.
Thanks to you all who've backed me up and weren't biased in the opinion. It is a good thing to look at both sides of the arguement and even if you don't agree, you at least here the person out and can conduct yourself in a civilized manner.
As far as you zen, there is nothing wrong with what you said, but 2 things:
1.In your wording, you pretty much singled one particular person out, so it wasn't to no surprise to any of us that you were pretty much targeted right back. It is all about the wording, remember that.
2.If you were joking, none of us could have forseen that. In most of my posts, I put a ;) or a ;P to always indicate that I am joking around. Several members who insult me know that I can insult them back and we all know we are just playing around. But when you throw up exclamation points and so forth, we can't know if you are joking or not. Like I said before, it is all about the wording.
Over the net, you can't read someone's body language nor their expressions, so you have to make sure you word something because you never know if a member/newbie/senior member/addict member or mod might react.
Case in point:
This is taken from Jerry's746 reply to this thread:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/181485
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Another possible problem I see at times are statements made as jokes. Sometimes these statements when TYPED OUT don't come across as jokes and start hostile replys. You have to watch what you type. You may know it was supposed to be a joke, the reader may not. Just another 2 cents worth.
So, it just goes to show, you definately have to watch how you type things.
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"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
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19. April 2005 @ 16:38 |
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As for me if I don't like what someone has said, I just don't respond. Or if I feel someone has been unduely rude to someone I just tell the person to ignore what they have read from the rude person. 99% of the people in here want to help 1% tops want to respond rudely. I feel if they are feeling put out so much why even respond just look at another thread. Anyway Venom please believe me I was joking around no offence meant. I will go back and edit my last message, and put a ;) by it !!! oh ya none of those<---- ;) .
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21. April 2005 @ 19:43 |
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22. April 2005 @ 05:01 |
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that thread should be title "when really ignorant members fight back"
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Just Wanted To Say It's Not Just You Addicts,Senior Members,Members,Junior Members That Hate When Noobies Just Post And Don't Do A Search First, A Lot Of Noobies Do To, But I Guss The Only Thing What Bugs Me More Than When A Noobie Just Post A Thread Is When Then Post A Thread That Breaks The Form Rules Like Can You Tell Me Where To Download Games From, I Hate Sh$t Like That Because Then I Know You Didn't Even Look At The Form Rules When You Singed Up, I Don't Like It When Noobies Just Post First Before Doing A Search But That I Can Handle, But For Double Posting You Should Get Banned For Like A Week Just For Dueing It, Because You Know The Noobie Did Not Read The Form Rules When They Do Dumb Sh$t LIke That, But I Bet If They Got Banned For A Week And There Post Could Not Be Answered They Would Read The Rules Before Posting Again. Just A Noobie Saying All Of Us Have Ask For Help At One Time, And If The First person Who Helped You Just Said DO A SEARCH ASSHOLE A Lot Of Us Would Have Never Come Back To After Dawn, Now I Tell A Lot Of Noobies That They Should Have Done A Search First Before Posting, But Most The Time I Will Help Them Also If I Can, Jizmak Helped Me When I First Came Here And I Know He Has Answered This 100 Times, But I Asked Him What Would Be Better For My Ps2 Slim Line R+ Or R-, Now Granted I Did Do I Search First I Just Wanted His Opinion On It, And He Said Welcome To The Forms you Should Try R+ Verbatim They Are Good For Burned Games And The R+ Should Work Good For Your Ps2 Slim Line, And I For One Am Glade He Didn't Just Say Do A Search, Because I Had Already Did That And Just Was Not Sure Of What To Use, Since Then I Have Read A Lot Of Post Just To See What Jizmak,Hursty, And Alot Of you Outthere Are saying, And I Love To Learn From And Help After Dawn Members. Just Wanted To Tell you My 2 Cents. (FOCKER OUT)
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14. May 2005 @ 18:12 |
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I've been hanging out on the net for a good many years now and esp in the last year or so I have given up on some sites because of what is now called "vigilantism". In fact on one or two particular sites its worse than a repeated question or a failure to do a search for an oft asked question. Every second thread is a tirade of abuse against a noob who faultered. Too many chiefs and not enough indians. At least at AD the issue is being addressed before it gets out of hand. If noob's are to remember there is a search button others should remember there is a "report this post to a mod" button.
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14. May 2005 @ 23:23 |
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I guess the one good thing about aD is that everyone here IS trying to help and are just a little hard on the noobs in order to keep this place as clean and easy as possible.
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