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3. July 2005 @ 16:13 |
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CREAKY..I think if scubapete is looking for some sort of respect then he should show it to others first.Personally I have had the tendency to skip past his posts.His holier than though attitude doesn`t impress me all that much.
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3. July 2005 @ 16:19 |
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... Come on now people ... PLAY NICE ... We're all friends here with the same goals and aspirations ... PLAY NICE ...
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3. July 2005 @ 16:55 |
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Like I said in other threads..... most older members show great patience with us NEWBIES and I don't know how there aren't more fights than there are cause the same questions and answers are said a million times all over the place........ We all evolve into knoweldgable people when reading from this forum. It's a great place to learn........but can you please calm down and be civil to eachother and give respect and accept respect with dignaty? gezzzzzzzz are we all babies here??? I want my bottle of milk now...... ohhhhhhh hell..... I'll just take it right from the tap!!!!
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3. July 2005 @ 17:42 |
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Huuuummm, Why can pple read my stuff but cannot read ALAND's ?
We were NOT discussing the fact that there were different dye lots ~
I've always differentiated between different dye lots i.e. Ritek G01 - Poor, G04 - 4X Good, G05 - 8X good, etc. When I sat Ritek G01's are poor, I mean that you can expect errors from them and their memory may not be the same as the G04's or G05's. No, ALAND said that, getting different dye lots from TY was "NOT GOOD." and that was a silly statement..
You will NOT find the same thing with TY's. When you order TY, you don't receive Fuji or Sony discs you receive Taiyo Yuden discs.
Let's play fantasy for a minute shall we ? Let's pretend we were shipped something with another's name, you would still have good discs, i.e., TY manufactures Sony disc and Sony discs are, in fact, an excellent disc for our use. The same holds true for Fuji ?R disc made by TY. Hence, if you ever got a different dye apps. from TY, it isn't bad, you would still be getting an excellent disc. Again, do not expect to receive a Fuji or Sony disc, they won't be sent.
What ALAND doesn't understand is that this thread isn't just for the pple here typing, it's for all the unknowns reading this thread
For the many, many pple reading this thread but not posting and becoming worried about this joking around with TY discs, I wish to address this to you.
Taiyo Yuden discs have always been made to the highest quality standards in the media industry. I speak now of the discs sold under the Taiyo Yuden label. When discs were sold with the incredible top writing speed of 2X, TY's were the best. When the technology advanced, a newer dye app was introduced to raise the speed to 2.4X, and TY's were the best. Again, technology advanced and yet another barrier was breached and, with a newer dye app., the level advanced to 4X and now, we've reached an even faster write speed with the help yet another newer dye lot and guess what ? TY's are once again, the best. We are told that the write limit can go no faster than 16X with the drives of today and, as a matter of fact, many 8X discs write to 12X and above now. Unfortunately, with an increased chance of errors But, the time will come, when we will write that speed with the lack of errors that 4X writing affords us now. I say this now so all will understand that when we speak of writing speed in this forum, we speak of writing video files. When writing speeds are quoted by Mfgrs. they are speaking of writing data (text, etc).
A small addition at this point ~ When writing Video, with an 8X disc, we still recommend a maximum speed of 4X to avoid writing errors. Writing video at 6X may be fine using TY discs of any speed BUT writing at 8X and up will increase your chance of errors no matter what type of media you use.
Back to the topic at hand ~
I feel that ALAND may have been writing to those pple here on forum, not with the understanding that perhaps 50 OR 100 pple may be reading these posts and attempting to absorb the information herein contained. His post, I felt, required some explanation. When purchasing Taiyo Yuden discs in a spindle of say 100 discs, you will not receive a mixture of 2 or 3 different dye lots, one being 2.4X, another being 4X and yet another being 8X. You will not receive, some Sony's, some Fuji and the rest perhaps of a lesser dye lot being made by TY for another customer. You will get what is advertised OR better. When sold as a spindle, it might be advertised as TY, 4X discs BUT you might possibly be getting TY 8X. In other words, you might get` something "better" than what you ordered.
When you purchase Taiyo Yuden discs, you will always be receiving the highest quality discs available for the speed ordered. The thought of having 2 or 3 different TY dye lots being a "Bad thing" is silly BUT we do have to watch our wording :)
Finally, 2 footnotes:
Many of us play on the safe side and burn at 4X and adjust our disc closer to the actual size of the disc to avoid all chance of disc errors. 8X DVD's cost more than 4X. There is nothing wrong with saving money when buying discs as long as you purchase a quality disc. 4X TY discs are an excellent purchase, feel comfortable making such a purchase.
Second, a reminder to all, I recently was a part of a thread which included 2 other pple. That's right, your math hasn't failed you, that's 3 all totaled. I took a lQQk at the number of times that thread was viewed, anyone wish to guess how many pple read that thread ? Pple viewed that single thread 62 times. Yep, that's right, 62 times that thread was viewed. Figure 12 times by the pple posting which leaves approx 50 unknown persons who saw the thread's title and stopped by to read what pple had to say. What you type is read by others, a lot of others ~ making a blanket statement that purchasing a great media in bulk packaging isn't good, effects many other's thinking. We all should post more responsibly.
Let's move on shall we ?
Cheers,
Pete
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3. July 2005 @ 18:46 |
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Scubba.. you da man! I just want to thank you for such informative writing and it should be read by all! I just think that you should have said that in the first place instead of bombasting poor old Aland..... sure he had miss information about bulk TYs! But as we all know..... if I or anyone of us go astray and make statements that are wrong, we will be corrected by more informative people such as yourself! Aland and I may be newbies but no one wants to be flogged down for making a wrong or misguided statement. But it takes a big guy to make corrections and adjust as both you and Aland have! And aD is a great place to enhance our burning experiences! Thank you and everyone who share info and make all us Newbies informed! Well said Scubba!
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3. July 2005 @ 19:22 |
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hi,i have a question after reading threw most this I burn with both
-r and +r because my girls dvd player is a sony and it only plays original movies or +r .i found taiyo yuden is cheaper in -r then +r but my question is i was told to burn at half my speed of dvd i buy? so if i buy x8 i burn x4 and if i buy x4 to burn x2? is that the normal?thanks sally
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3. July 2005 @ 19:43 |
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I haven't heard that....... I have been burning up a storm at 16x ...... but recently cut it down to 8x. the only thing that I heard about was to burn at a slow spead lower than 8x to insure quality and no degrading! After reading Scubba's comments about burn spead I am even lowering my speed to 4x...... I want to keep my DVDs for a long time! Thanks again scubba!
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sallyme
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3. July 2005 @ 19:53 |
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Ok i no this sounds stupid but im comp. stupid .. so when you burn x16 at 16 speed it doesnt skip or pause? i was told if you wanted a great copy to do it at half speed lol think ill stick with the half speed for now but am curious . thanks for answering back on the other sally
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3. July 2005 @ 20:03 |
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I have had great results at 16x! I don't get any skipping, freezing, pixilations or anyting but great quality!I don't know about burning at half the writing ability speeds. All I know is everyone says to write at 4x or 8x, no faster. That's the only reason why I dropped my speeds down to 8x! I'm listening to wiser, more informed and more experienced people. BUT LIKE I SAID... MY 16X BURNS ALL... 100% ALL ..... CAME OUT GREAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTT! Do I advise you to burn at high speeds? NO@! Just cause I have great results with my computer doesn't mean you will! So, in closing, burn at slower speeds. and enjoy! And Sally..... I don't think your stupid or anything like that! Don't be afraid to ask us questions! we will try to answer them as best we can..... we all share here!
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3. July 2005 @ 20:08 |
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SALLY...I guess most of us go down the caution route.I buy 8X that I burn at 4X, the time difference is not great(in MY opinion), but I feel happier thinking that the burn will be ok.
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3. July 2005 @ 20:15 |
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wolf..... have you tried burning your 8x at 8x? I have burned my TYs 8x at 16x with extremly excellant results! but that's just me. I'm still testing and playing around with my new computer! that's all...... I have already dropped my speeds down to 8x
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3. July 2005 @ 20:25 |
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Yep I have burnt at 8X..Am using Verbs so It shouldn`t matter too much(in MY opinion).It`s just a playing it safe thing I guess.Will they still play a few years down the track kinda thing.
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3. July 2005 @ 20:29 |
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I am playing it safe now,too.
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3. July 2005 @ 22:53 |
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i have a pretty quick machine, but i still prefer to stick to 4x. i tried 8x for a while but i'd sit there with doubts as to whether the resulting burn would actually PIF scan ok or CRC scan ok. Then i'd feel obliged to check the discs, and i haven't the time or interest to dedicate to that kind of stuff. I just want to rip, burn and watch movies, not spend extra unnecessary hours checking stuff out of paranoia. So i went back to 4x which is well proven for me to just work flawlessly. I'll leave the indepth PIF scanning to the experts (ie on sites such as cdfreaks) who have time for all that testing. For me i just want 100% reliable movies/recopyable movies.
I tried the TY thing, but am still unsure about them, not because i disbelieve anyone's knowledge/recommendations, i just feel more comfortable with my Verbatim personally. I'm not one to go buying 100s of different makes of media just so i know about all the good and bad types, i got websites such as this to learn/verify all that from. My limited money/time are not what they could be so i'll leave all the indepth stuff to ppl who have those luxuries. As long as i know enough to give ppl good info then i'm happy enough
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3. July 2005 @ 22:55 |
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sallyme something you could try which should work is booktype(when your buring with nero) your DVD+ R to DVD-ROM . that way they will be more compatable with ANY dvd player.and as far as your burn speeds the DVD plus R should burn fine at there rated speed 4X 8X etc. however the DVD dash R you will have better luck burning at a slower speed (less burn errors,read errors).alot of it depends on the type of burner your using, the better burners being in order Plextor,Pioneer,NEC
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4. July 2005 @ 05:16 |
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I agree on keeping the burn speed down to 4x, the difference between the numbers is only a few minutes and fewer errors. I have burned at higher speed on my Plextor, but that adjusts speed to the media you are using, however on my other burners I keep it down and after about 1000 burns I have had no coasters, well except for my one time purchase of Memorex.
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4. July 2005 @ 05:18 |
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@arniebear, hmmm, one purchase of Memorex for testing purposes i bet, shame on you lol :)
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4. July 2005 @ 05:24 |
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It was when I purchased my first burner and in my enthusiasm to burn bought Memorex disks, none worked, and I got my learning experience the hard way because that was when disks were over a buck apiece. Did not have any AD then to get my info from, to bad I didn't I would have never wasted my money. Jeez, I wish I could just blowup CMC Mag.
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4. July 2005 @ 05:44 |
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@arniebear, lmao. Here's a comparison of my job to DVD movie burning - I'm just working out what data i need to backup ready for a benchmarking/DR exercise over in Germany next week. 'Media quality' is not a concern (quality LTO Ultrium 1 tapes, a mix of Fuji & TDK, i suppose i could compare them to rewritable DVDs as tapes get reused). 'Burn speed' isn't an issue either. I won't be multiplexing 8 databases's data together on these particular tapes so 'multitasking' during the 'burn' won't be too much of an issue. Firmware is all up to date, as are software revisions. The bonus over DVD backups is the Ultrium drives do hardware compression so on 100GB tapes we get 300 to 500GB on each tape.
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4. July 2005 @ 05:50 |
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Forgot you are working today, it is a holiday here so I forget that its not for everyone else. Sounds like you are having an interesting day though.
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4. July 2005 @ 05:55 |
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interesting - *cough* absolutely *cough* :O
Had my geek hat on, was just sharing my media comparison for a laugh as Mondays are soooo dull
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4. July 2005 @ 11:44 |
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@ scubapete and aland :
echoing catfreak: PLEASE PLAY NICE GENTLEMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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4. July 2005 @ 12:49 |
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aabbccdd,
Just a short note to add ~ Changing Book type also requires the proper burner. There are burners that just cannot change a +R to a DVD ROM.
Sallyme,
To address your question point blank ~ You will find the older / more experienced pple here burn at 4X to ensure a perfect burn. Using Verbatim DataLife ~ DataLife PLUS and Taiyo Yuden, there are more pple upping their speed to 6X BUT when jumping to 8X and up, you increase your chance of errors. I liken it to driving too fast on the road ~ most of the time, everything is fine BUT once in a while,, you'll miss a turn, a curve OR you may "blow" a stop sign because you were going too fast. The difference in time isn't all that important to the majority of us "old-timers". With a vast majority of our younger members, speed is everything. They don't care about quality because 2-pass encoding OR slowed encoding takes too long they don't bother. An alarming number of our new folk are so obsessed with speed that programs that do not offer 1-click operation aren't even considered because it just takes far too long to come back and do anything other than remove the finished disc ~ just isn't worth it.. Many will not leave their PC be when they backup a PC. I received a PM the other day where the sender informed me that he runs 2 backups at the same time, all the time. His complaint was, he was getting too many coasters. Not only did he sea nothing wrong with 2 programs rendering AVI's to DVD's or burning / encoding 2 programs at the same time ~ he told me straight up that there's no way his discs could be to blame for anything and that he's been using Great AZO's since they came out and they are, hands-down the best discs around. Speed and cost, seem to be the priorities today and this guy was not alone.
We who have been around the block, tone way down on things we do while running a backup and we concern ourselves with quality in both our movie reproduction and our discs. Keep reading threads and every once in a while you'll sea that someone will try to lowering their speed, their disc size AND upping the quality of their disc only to find a perfect 100% success rate.
As they say in Baseball, All hits, all runs, no errors :D)
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sallyme
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4. July 2005 @ 13:12 |
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thanks scubapete and all for the help.i seem to do ok backing up everything so far in x2 or x4 when i buy x8 have another q to ask but it doenst go in this subject so im going to go read some more lol thanks every one sally
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4. July 2005 @ 16:26 |
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Sallyme,
Quote:
have another q to ask but it doesn't go in this subject
We don't stand on ceremony, go ahead and ask, . . . .
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