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Whats better: Graphics or Gameplay?
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bones2k
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15. August 2005 @ 23:18 |
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i say the gameplay becaue you could have a game with poor graphics but a good gameplay or a game with the best graphics but poor gameplay
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vgaddict8
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21. August 2005 @ 07:00 |
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Graphics or gameplay? Hmm. Both-the two go hand and hand together.
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cloud123
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30. September 2005 @ 10:03 |
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both are really important, if u had a game with good graphics but not very good gameplay then it would make the game tidy for the first thew hours an then be boring and the same the oposite the same way. u have to time it right if u look at final fantasy 7 i love the gameplay and graphics on that its my favourite even out of the ps2 graphics and gameplay. if u had 1 and not the other 1 it wouldnt be that good but if u had them both and put them in the right place it would be great, all u have to do is get it at an equal time to put the in so they cancel each other out
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cjcoled
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13. October 2005 @ 09:57 |
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i think gameplay is most important as long as the graphics are good enough to make gameplay interesting and easy to see. but both are important to have a good game
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TruthMan
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13. October 2005 @ 13:57 |
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i have 2 games for both xbox and PC.
exactly the same game, but with one difference graphics and framerate.
gameplay is really good on both (this game is KOTOR 2) but the graphics on the PC one (i have a powerful PC) are just way better and the framerate is 3X higher than the xbox one.
its SO MUCH BETTER. and thats just an improvement on graphics.
i used that as an example to show some weight about what graphics can have on a game.
ultimately thou it depends on the genre of the game.
id say these as a few eg.s
you minght disagree with some of em but this is what i think.
RPG's = 60% gameplay 40% graphics
FPS's = 60% Graphics 40% gameplay
other action/adventure = 50-50 graph/gameplay
Strategy = 45% graphics 55% gameplay
(think C&C and rome total war -those had gorgeous graphics and awsome gameplay)
theres just 4 main examples.
what do u think.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
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bones2k
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14. October 2005 @ 00:39 |
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c&c has great graphics and it has good gameplay aswell
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moguo25
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14. October 2005 @ 01:43 |
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I think Gameplay, all the way. Some of my favorite games of all time have shit graphic by todays standerds, but I still love them. Take games like space invaders or tetris, addictive as crack, but the graphics are non-existant.
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TruthMan
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16. October 2005 @ 12:09 |
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yea those real old games HAD to be all gameplay, cos like they were 8 bit graphics (e.g. spaceinvaders).
nowadays thou with all the tech people expect new games to have good graphics and if it dont have good graphics then they all hope the gameplay is fking AWSOME to make up for it, which most are not.
so its hard to not compromise, so you need to take a good balance of both is most cases.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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Binighted
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16. October 2005 @ 12:34 |
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I don't think many of us would pick up a game at a store if the screenshots on the back don't look good.
I dont know about you but i dont think people or at least real gamers do that because when i go to buy a game i just buy the game i wanted because read about them or had see previusly,yes i have bought games without knowing much about it but believe me it wasnt for the pretty picture in the back,thats like buying a book for its cover just stupid.
About the issue yes i think gameplay its more important than graphics
and no one has mentiones the music i think the music its important because it brings memories of tha game and times playing it and even you can relate to events in your life(like chrono trigger with me :))
Id give like a 30% graphics and the rest to gameplay and music :D
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18. October 2005 @ 07:29 |
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@ Binighted
Of course everyone does their research before spending big bucks on a game, you would be stupid not to. What I was trying to get across is the concept that good graphics is essential and not just desired. Its simply because nowadays Graphics IS Gameplay. You are drawn into playing the game further just to see the unfolded set of wonderful graphics, explosions, new levels etc. Just level after level of identical stages with drab graphical content will just not sell games anymore, however good the gameplay is.
Take space invaders,pac man, etc best gameplay ever. Released today wouldn't sell because things have advanced and gamers ask for much more. Don't get me wrong because gameplay is still very important but sometimes the pleasure of a game is just in the looking.
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TruthMan
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18. October 2005 @ 08:08 |
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good explaination connely.
Music has not been mentioned because music is incorporated into gameplay. Good music OR the right music can improve the gameplay significantly, but again it depends on the game.
Halo 1+2 are prime examples. A large proportion of the gameplay thrill and anticipation if provided by the music.
Its not great on its own, but combined with the game ITS UNBEATABLE, thats why halo1+2 often win best game music awards, because it is just the perfect music. Id say that 35-40% of halo's gameplay is in its music, which does a great job.
But graphics need to be kick ass 2.
I think in fps games 60% of it is graphics, the other 40% is gameplay
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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diabolic
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20. October 2005 @ 04:27 |
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I've been playing my old NES and SNES games on my PSP. The old games are still very fun (Punch Out, Double Dragon, Castlevania, Megaman...) I think gameplay matters most TO ME.
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TruthMan
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20. October 2005 @ 06:49 |
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yea, ultimately like i said it is all opinion.
i LOVE great graphics and i rely a lot on them but that is my opinion. I play MAINLy FPS's but also some RPG's and stratetgy games.
But because of my love for FPS games i think in general graphics are more important but only by a little like 52% graph and 48% gameplay.
And as we all should know better graphics means more power needed, better graphics cards, processors, RAM etc. which cripples my wallet right in the ass, as im currently saving up for a 20" HDTV for my bedroom.
so although graphics is my fav. gameplay its certainly cheaper to stick by. e.g. old games and games from year 2000 downwards. as they dont need half as much power to play properly.
:-(
luckily my PC at the mo. is very powerful so i can play the BEST graphics FPS's at full settings with a good framerate.
it is P4 3.2E overclocked at 3.8GHZ, ATI RADEON OVERCLOCKED X800XT PE (although the card is SHIT for overclocking), 1GB corsair XMS 2-3-3-6 timing DRAM overclocked from DDR200 (400MHZ effective) to DDR 238 (476MHZ effective, along with the very fast timings).
on CS:S i get 135 FPS on the video stress test but in intense action PLAYING on the game i get around 70-80 FPS on average its 100FPS.
O and i have a Zalman Fatal1ty Heatsink to keep my FKING HOT presscot at 3.8 GHZ cool (ish).
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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lxhotboy
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21. October 2005 @ 07:08 |
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Everyone does have their opinion. To me there is no way graphics even come close to the gameplay. I keep seeing people give so much credit to graphics. Graphics are nice to look at but graphics are not what let you interact with the game and bring you back to play everytime when you have not played in a long time. Gameplay is what makes a game. It makes you want to play it when you get off work or home from school. Gameplay makes games classics and they stand in our memories as great games even as graphics have gone on to be better than the current games. Graphics will be obselete on any game that is released, so i ask will you come back 10 years from now to play Halo 2, GTA san andreas and other games b.c they have great graphics???? No you wont. Playstation has greatest hits games that are old and the graphics obselete. They sell b/c we still love the gameplay long after the graphics dead and gone.
The best way to describe gameplay and graphics that i can think of is like this. Gameplay is a love for the game. Like if you are married for 20 years and still like spending time with your spouse or lady friend. Graphics are just like a quick high, they dont last forever. You will come down off your high as the graphics get older but if the gameplay is good you will still play the game.
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Combat2
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21. October 2005 @ 14:15 |
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Wat about Grand theft auto san andreas it has great graphics and gameplay
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lxhotboy
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21. October 2005 @ 18:38 |
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You are missing the point as are a lot of others. If GTA graphics were not as good you would still play the game b.c it has a fun factor. Graphics are great now, today. But what about those same graphics on GTA SA 10 years from now. You would be looking on the graphics then much as we do on Zelda for the SNES but yet people still go back to play Zelda on the SNES as will people play GTA SA years from now. The point is that when you suddenly have that urge to play the game years from now when the Xbox, ps2 are collecting dust in our houses you will not say,"Oh man i was thinking about how great the graphics still are on GTA SA and i wish to see them so i will play it now." In your mind you would be thinking man these graphics are stone age, prehistoric, how i have thought these graphics were tight back then??? but you will still say this game is still fun as hell and that is gameplay. Gameplay alone. Graphics add to the game as well does good music but you dont pick up a game on the shelves b.c it has great graphics. You pick it up b.c of its funfactor, replay value, and that is gameplay. You are not picking up the game of the store shelves to put it into your ps2 and then sit the controller down on the table in front of you, kick your feet up and sit back and watch it. You pick it b.c it is what you want to play or interact with its gameplay that might just happen to have great graphics and killer sound but when it is all done and said you would have bought that same game had the graphics been toned down bit. If you take away the gameplay no one would buy it. Not just to look at and say man look at these nice crisp graphics. I used Zelda as an example. People still play it on SNES as of today. It is not b.c of graphics is it??? Answer the question to as why people still choose to play an older game like Zelda and dont say things like, "Man i am not going to play that old game anymore b.c the graphics are not up to par with todays standards. You see wheer i am coming from??? Graphics will not be good and 10 years from now you will not put GTA san andreas in your xbox, ps2, PC to see the graphics. Will you, No. You will still play it b.c of the gameplay not graphics. Dont get me wrong i love breath taking graphics but they get old quick but the gameplay will last for years, maybe decades. Will those graphics on any game as of today last for the next 10 years like the gameplay?????? I am one of those people that but games only after i have read a review and tried the game out first. Most people look for the funfactor as the deciding factor when they look in gamepro, EGM magazines to decide whether they will buy the game. I have seen games have near perfect scores in graphics and weak ratings in funfactor and replay value and none of those games sold very well. Then when you ask someone about how it is they say man the graphics are killer but the game is boring as hell.
Graphics 30% Gameplay 70%
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Stryfe
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23. October 2005 @ 07:30 |
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Gameplay is the cake the graphics is the icing on the cake
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lxhotboy
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23. October 2005 @ 10:29 |
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Exactly!!!
And with a great game it doesnot hurt to have your cake and eat it too.
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cjcoled
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24. October 2005 @ 11:40 |
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gameplay makes the game, graphics makes the game intersting
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TruthMan
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24. October 2005 @ 15:16 |
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hmm some very interesting points there. interesting indeed.
currently i play on BF2 the most and its gameplay is FKING AWSOME, its a fabulous game and it makes you want to come back for more and more, u just wanna get that extra promotion for that extra weapon etc. which also makes you want to play the game.its graphics are also apsolutely amasing (i can play all settings on full at 60FPS on average, good eh, to say its a VERy demanding game hardware wise).
Obviously after time the grphics will be crap compared to the latest games, but so will the gameplay.
people still like the old games for their, simplicity, origionality and appeal and type of play.
not for their superior gameplay, i like them 2 they are fun to play.
but in My opinion BF2 and halo 2 (multiplayer) are kick ass and the graphics are great on both and the gameplay is always changing, e.g., different types of battles always happen and the same fight NEVER HAPPENS THE EXACT SAME TWICE. different things, always changing, the intense action. truly amasing fun.
thats what games are all about. and that just mentioned above is all gameplay.
the graphics are (in a way) a booster to make the game look good, but great graphics are great to have and have the potential to make the game much better.
if it really is the icing on the cake, this is one of those cakes with the tastiest BEST icing that everyone loves to eat first on its own cos its just too tasty, (lol).
i like both to be good.
a girld example is, when you first meet a girl, the first thing (usually) that decides if shes fit, and ok, or ugly, is how pretty they are, the same applies to graphics.
over time when ur both much older, u cant leave her fr a newer, younger better, cos ur probably married, got kids, and shes all ur gonna get for that mo, if ur 40-60 years old ur never gonna get a 18 yr old again are ya.
lol, apply that to games.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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diabolic
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24. October 2005 @ 15:17 |
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It is interesting that how this thread has evolved. I have been looking at the new consoles from the assumption that they will all have great graphics, I'm sure that the next gen consoles will achieve near photo realism. As a graphic designer I find graphics very interesting. A little history lesson though, the realist painting movement almost died when photography was introduced and artists began experimenting with the abstract. I wonder if the same will happen with gaming?
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TruthMan
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24. October 2005 @ 15:19 |
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well with the modern world today we will never know.
possibly, but i hope not, hehe.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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