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The Stone Ages - Yet another problem with encoding
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l8nights
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17. September 2005 @ 12:02 |
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Lumbastio I am not upset so to speak I just wonder what the intentions of this post are just to steer ppl away from the best quality back-up prog's available.(it say's so in your sig) or if you actually needed help? thirteen hours is along time to encode in my opinion but what ever suits you
I personally would not post the bit about not paying for non freebware program's but again whatever suits you this could quite possibly be the whole problem!
try to use dvd decrypter>dvd rebuilder>nero see if this works that is my suggestion
the "pixelation" around the edges of words or what not I commonly called the mosquito effect and is expected when using shrink the only thing that will lessen this is the quality settings try smooth settings!
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Lumbastio
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17. September 2005 @ 13:03 |
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What do you mean if I really needed help? You think I have nothing better to do than waste my time in this forum creating time consuming threads for no reason? Now this is upsetting.
I did not try to steer away anyone from these programs, but merely stated the problems. I now agree that I shouldn't have posted about the free programs since it seems that some people can't approach it rationally and tend to get hung up on it. I was pissed about the programs and that's why said what I said.
Your suggestion of using dvd decrypter>dvd rebuilder>nero doesn't make sense. Do you understand that I need to edit the DVDs?
I'm going to have to ask you to either post something constructive that might help me resolve the issue or not post anything at all. I'm tired of all these personal discussions and it also keeps others away from making any worthy contributions. I might have to quit this thread and start another one.
If there is anyone out there who can help with Remake, it would be great. To try to disprove the hypothesis that the problem is due to the version of my Remake, I will download the lastest trial version and go through the process again.
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17. September 2005 @ 14:57 |
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I'm going to have to ask you to either post something constructive that might help me resolve the issue or not post anything at all
It is a forum and l8nights posted a very constructive answer in the use of programs and about the pixelation that could be lessened by using quality enhancements in Shrink. There is no reason for you to state he should not post, that is not up to you.
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I'm tired of all these personal discussions and it also keeps others away from making any worthy contributions.
I have not seen that happen.
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I might have to quit this thread and start another one
Multi-posting is against forum rules.
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l8nights
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17. September 2005 @ 14:58 |
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What do you mean if I really needed help? You think I have nothing better to do than waste my time in this forum creating time consuming threads for no reason?
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try to use dvd decrypter>dvd rebuilder>nero see if this works that is my suggestion
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17. September 2005 @ 15:08 |
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Lumbastio
Are you making demands in an open forum? I think that there's more here than just your ineptness at doing what the rest of us easily take for granted. We're here to help and share because we don't have your difficulties, or we've overcome them but we're not paid employees, and we owe nothing to anyone other than our personal desires to help. Have you taken any of the advice that's been given to you? And if you have, did you provide any usable feedback to help us help you? So far I've heard you brag about using applications that you know nothing about and didn't pay for. Vurbal told you that the cracked version of Remake doesn't function fully but you went ahead and used one anyway and then bragged about it.
What are looking for? If it's assistance of some kind using RB, then get to the point and stop your pointless debate!!
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Lumbastio
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17. September 2005 @ 16:41 |
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Sophocles, didn't you see that I have taken all the advice given? I have to repeat myself again: the problem was indeed due to Remake because when I processed though Shrink I did not get the same problem. But then again, in the very beginning, I already said that I had been able to burn successfully using all the programs listed except Remake. So now I need to know if I have not been using DVD Remake correctly. Since many of you think that it is because of the version of the program, I will be downloading the latest trial version to see whether it works. If this feedback is not clear enough, please let me know what more do I have to clarify.
I am not making any demands whatsoever, but I am requesting to concentrate on the issue and refrain from personal insults. Too bad that somehow it seemed that I am bragging about Remake. That's not true. Don't you think that it would be sort of difficult to brag about a program that I apparantely don't know how to use?
I thank all of you who are trying to help. I accept my comparative ineptitude - 2 weeks of reading and have burned only 4 DVD's so far. I'll get there. Although I love the Germans, this is not World War II. No need to fight. If any of you thinks that my feedback is not clear enough or not in the proper format, just let me know the specifics and I'll try to correct it.
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l8nights
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17. September 2005 @ 16:55 |
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@lumbastio please read entirety as I am appologizing for my inability to see that you were actually posing a question that due to my "ineptness" is still unclear to me glad to know that I am not the only one here not understanding you
thnx arnie&soph
the only reason I suggested going at it w/out the remake was to test a theory that the version you have(or the way used) of remake is causing a compliance issue I was not telling you to give up on doing the "highest quality back-up possible" but rather singleing out possible causes
btw something had to be removed or altered to "patch" the prog. this is quite often done by ppl w/ less exp. than the original author possibly could have removed or altered to much corrupting portions of you application
sorry you read into my replies that I was tring to debate w/ you read my sig it is the true search for a broader knowledge that fuels my post and if I came across upset is imho from the beggining (the title) this thread seemed geared toward deterring ppl from continueing that pursuit of knowledge it is a shame that you would seemingly let (I'm guessing here) my status not let you here any possible solutions I might offer!
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Lumbastio
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17. September 2005 @ 17:35 |
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l8, it's ok. Your status has nothing to do with anything. It's just that it was upsetting when you said that I posted this thread to waste my and everybody else's time. I didn't insult anyone. Of course, I have already done what you have suggested and it has worked. I'm willing to try your or anybody else's suggestions about Remake.
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17. September 2005 @ 18:18 |
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Lumbastio
I read all of your posts and I understand your frustration but you have to be careful how you project it onto others and that's what you were doing. We're a pretty good bunch and we will chase a problem to its end if we are dealing with a sincere person. I'm not looking for a war and neither is anyone else so lets be little more respectful and everyone will get along just fine.
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Lumbastio
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17. September 2005 @ 19:15 |
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I agree
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Lumbastio
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17. September 2005 @ 22:42 |
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I just downloaded the 3.1.3 version of Remake. It functions exactly as the one I have. Unfortunately, the trial version is so limited that it will be useless to try and export the DVD (15 seconds limitation per scene.) I re-edited the files with my current Remake and am currently encoding. I hope this will work.
Right now, since the problem has been traced to Remake, this discussion is limited to Remake only. That's why I thought that a new thread might be necessary. I'll see how it goes - if there will be enough suggestions about Remake, it might not be necessary to create a new thread. Or perhaps I should try the Remake forum if no one can help me in this forum.
I updated my Rebuilder to 1.00 RC60 Pro and am using only 2 passes so that the encoding can complete quicker.
I'm interested to know more about PGC and DVD compliance and what can I do to avoid these problems.
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UncasMS
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18. September 2005 @ 01:35 |
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So now I need to know if I have not been using DVD Remake correctly
i have told you in the very beginning, that the problem was due to the downloaded remake version
if it needs another 2-3 people to tell you the very same thing once again to make you believe, well....
use pgcedit or vobblanker or buy a copy of remake but please stop telling more advanced users, that you're the one being familiar with cracked software because obviously you're not even familiar with uncracked software
you're constantly complaining in many of your replies that i have read so far and that way you wont get any further help from some people who have years of experience
and btw the way: what was this stupid reference to GERMANS?
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18. September 2005 @ 02:34 |
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you have tried the cracked version and found out that it doesnt work(well has limitations).Its now time to buy the original, and complete your project.
Goodluck with whatever you decide but realize that by buying the product that you are helping them develop better programs to help you ultimately complete your projects.
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xentrix
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18. September 2005 @ 04:45 |
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I am experiencing a similar proble with DVD Rebuilder.
Greetings!
First I ripped the DVD to the HD as an iso image (Million dollar baby) with DVDDecrypter.exe, then mounted the image to work with. I used Nero image drive.
I used CCE 2.70 SP and One Click Mode to back the dvd up, all works great (approx time 5 hrs at 2 pass).
DVD Rebuilder reaches 100% then outputs this warning:
"Error in UPDATEIFO:VTS_01VOBID:02/CELLID:01 was not found in the VOB"
Ohh ohh, what has happened I am thinking...have I checked all the basics before starting?
well I used Nero to build a DVD compliant file structure only to be told that my files are non dvd compliant. (Everything looks ok, I do know how a DVD file structure looks)
To finish, the burned files playback perfectly on two of my standalone players and I am very happy with the quality.
Is this a bug in the program? I used Pro edition V 1.00 RC5.1
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Another question,
I have a movie, that will not fit onto 1 DVD R disc, so i use Shrink to cut out the credits, now it fits - am I getting a true 1:1 uncompressed rip or is shrink actually encoding the stream? the time it takes is on par with a dvddecrpyter rip.
I will try the shrink solution as described above for dvd compliance, all I am really looking for is 100% dvd compliance (i'm aware of dvd rom booktype bla blah)
excuse any spelling errors - I am very drunk.
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18. September 2005 @ 04:59 |
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Try ripping in file mode before encoding.
Shrink processes even with no compression.
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xentrix
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18. September 2005 @ 05:56 |
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Could this be a strange bug in the program as I have now used a few methods of ripping the dvd in various modes. Seriously, a ripped and perfectly good iso should not be a problem?
While mentioned above, having to wait along time and see the program finish at 100% only to give out a corrupted file structure does indeed lead to urges of unabaited PC bashing.
While my burned dvd plays back great, I was unable to import the finished Video files (Created with DVD Rebuilder) into DVD Shrink, be it in file or in ISO mode. Boo Hoo (non dvd compliance etc..Gee my dvd standalones must be very forgiving)
I am dissapointed to learn that shrink "processes" even with zero compression. Now im new to dvd rebuilder this error at the end really annoys me, so for now I have chosen to spilt the disc.
I must try to learn more about dvd rebuilder.
Can I edit out any unwanted credits and produce a 1:1 rip with rebuilder? I think we all long for the day of cheap DL media.
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18. September 2005 @ 06:19 |
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I just backed up Million Dollar Baby about a week ago with DVD-RB RC 5.1 and didn't get any errors. I also pre-processed with Remake Pro 3.1.3 to remove everything but the main menu, language menu, chapter menus, and movie. I ripped in File mode like I do with almost everything.
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xentrix
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18. September 2005 @ 07:52 |
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Hi vurbal,
I have no experience with Remake Pro. You obviously know your stuff. My experience is all great except at 100% when dvd rebuilder gives a VOB error message resulting in a bad dvd structure. I use one click mode, movie and menu only mode - Is this the same process as remake pro? - All i want is the film & menu.
I am using a mounted image file as the source disc (Now testing with another movie) so we'll see how it goes.
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Lumbastio
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18. September 2005 @ 08:41 |
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Now this is weird. xentrix got the same error even without using Remake. Is it really possible that the bug is inside RB?
Anyway, I still got the same error so I will try to get a different Remake version. However, do you know if there are any free programs that I can use instead of Remake to edit out menus and subpictures without losing quality as in Shrink? I assume that two such programs are the vobblanker and pgcedit. Does anyone use these? If these are the best, then why use Remake in the first place? Are there any disadvantages in using these programs?
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18. September 2005 @ 08:48 |
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However, do you know if there are any free programs that I can use instead of Remake to edit out menus and subpictures without losing quality as in Shrink?
i have learnt by now that you dont seem to read the replies you were given
i have mentioned pgcedit and vobblanker before
do you need another 5 people to make the same suggestions?
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Lumbastio
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18. September 2005 @ 09:34 |
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Uncas, I did read your post, but it seems you are the one who doesn't know how to read. In my post I did mention your recommendations, but since you didn't explain much about them, I asked to find out whether others agree that those are the best programs to use. I also wanted to find out the difference b/n Remake and pgcedit, for example. I downloaded pgcedit and it is very confusing to use - there are no previews and I don't know what is what. It's seems like it is a program for more advanced users and I'll have to read a lot more to understand how to use.
Your posts are another example why I used a reference to Germans. At some point it felt like the advanced users in this forum were the allies trying to attack the axis powers. Now you are continuing that trend, without any reason.
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xentrix
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18. September 2005 @ 10:11 |
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Hi Lumbastio,
While I am experiencing a similair problem like yourself with DVD rebuilder, I Imagine the program is having a problem with my mounted image, it's hard to understand just why there is a problem with my image. re ripping the dvd in file mode may have a better outcome - I am currently testing to see if this will work.
If not I will use CCE 2.70 with TMPGEnc DVD Author 1.6 (which muxes video+audio and outputs the dvd vobs)
Have you considered splitting the original dvd across two recordables?
In all honesty it's a fast solution to what can be a pain in the neck - DVD Backup!
I have used CloneDVD to keep the extra's and simply spilt the disc, the second disc can be programmed to start a chapter or two behind the split point.
It's a no frills fast DVD backup.
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18. September 2005 @ 10:14 |
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Now this is weird. xentrix got the same error even without using Remake. Is it really possible that the bug is inside RB?
It's possible. It's also possible there's some problem with the DVD. I'd try doing the backup with no compression just to see what happens when it rebuilds. If it does the same thing I'd let jdobbs know about it so he can look into what's going on.
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18. September 2005 @ 10:19 |
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I have no experience with Remake Pro. You obviously know your stuff. My experience is all great except at 100% when dvd rebuilder gives a VOB error message resulting in a bad dvd structure. I use one click mode, movie and menu only mode - Is this the same process as remake pro? - All i want is the film & menu.
I can't say what similarities or differences there are between what DRM does to edit and what DVD-RB does, but I can say you'll get more help from jdobbs if you're doing everything in DVD-RB.
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Lumbastio
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18. September 2005 @ 10:35 |
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xentrix, I don't really know about splitting DVD techniques, so I'm stuck with remake. But someone did recommend to use the file mode of the Decrypter and that's what I have been using.
That's the weird thing vurbal - when I used Shrink (uncompressed) to edit the DVD and then process through RB, it worked. So I was convinced that the problem is with the Remake, as many said. But now, xentrix does not use Remake and gets the same error, which is very difficult to explain in terms of Remake. Maybe jdobbs should take a look into this matter. Also, if anyone in here would like to, can PM me their email address and I'll send my version of Remake Pro so that they can try it themselves and see if they get the same error.
Currently, since many say that the problem is with a corrupted Remake executable, I am considering buying the latest version. But if I buy it and still get the same error, I might experience a mental breakdown. That's why I want to be sure I totally have to buy it, before wasting 40 or 70 bucks.
Another thing is that I only need Remake to remove extra audio and subpictures, which usually don't exceed a max of 500MBs (usually 200MBs.) If I just leave those things there and use 4 passes, would the difference in quality really be that much? If so, perhaps I can just avoid using Remake altogether. I have already spent about $700 on textbooks this semester and can't spend more unless I absolutely have to.
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