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magic pro, any good?
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21. December 2005 @ 03:12 |
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Tokijin
which DL disks are you talking about??? mine are:
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D 1.37 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-R DL
Disc Information:
Status: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 4,172,816
Free Space: 8,545,927,168 bytes
Free Time: 927:19:41 (MM:SS:FF)
Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: RITEKP01
thats 8.35G and they are marketed as 8.5, the 7.95 you mentioned is a tad bit off.
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21. December 2005 @ 22:42 |
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That's horrible. Why would anyone get a modchip that won't even read DVD-9 originals? People pay a little more and get a DMS 4 or Matrix Infinity. At least get the Crystal Chip. Sheesh. I just cut and pasted what the AD glossary had listed about DVD-9 discs. I've only burned one game to DVD-9 discs, GT4. I use Verbatim DL DVD+R Azo discs. I use Taiyo Yuden TYG02 for my DVD-5 games.
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22. December 2005 @ 05:43 |
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your thinking a bit out of date there, the reason those chips don't boot -9's is because when they were MFGd there was no such thing. when they started to make DL games (MGS2S being the first) chip MFGs started to make chips to play originals, we didn't have any means of burning DL games at that time so they didn't incorporate that into the chips. the DMS4 is a new chip and if you have the old that was never flash upgraded it will not play DL games either. I've been modding Playstation for about 10 yrs and PS2s the last 5 or so??? and during that time the Magic was a top of the line chip at a fair cost and it did everything you wanted it to.
when the DL games came out they fixed the chips to boot the originals and invented the sleep feature so you could still use a Gameshark/Action Replay with them (yes back in those days the Gameshark actually worked with backed up games)because the Gameshark 2 would not boot the DL game with the chip on, it was trying to play in PS2 mode and the DL game was considered by the chip to be a DVD movie which was the chips PS1 mode at that time.
China-Magic (the makers of the Magic chips) haven't put forth an effort to stay in the chip competition and have dropped out, they mass produced millions of chips and then realized their inability to keep up with technology therefore their chips have fallen slowly out of the market, to compensate they just dropped the price of the chips (in some cases you can get them for $5 a chip) and at those prices you'll still have allot of people buying them. I'm sure if the DSM4 Pro chip was 10 bucks everyone would have one :) but they are not and with the ability to flash upgrade i don't foresee them being that way till the PS3 has taken over and well modded.
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22. December 2005 @ 20:44 |
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OK, I have finally backed up one of my dual layer discs to test on the magic V plus. I was going to back up a game but after all of my Christmas shopping I ended up with nothing. So, I backed up a DVD that own and know to be a DL disc...nothing. I tried and tried but the magic V will not play it. It will however play the original.
So, I have to think about whether or not I want to undo all of my hard work taking apart the machine and soldering? I know that it would be worth it but I think that I can get by on this chip until the PS3...that is until I can afford one. Anyone that has an opinion is welcome, I really don't want to take the PS2 apart again. I have no time and no guarantee that I won't mess something up in the process like overheating the mobo. What do you think?
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22. December 2005 @ 20:50 |
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well i am certified to solder on satellites so i have no problem pulling baby little playstations apart and soldering on them so I'd defiantly pull the chip and replace it.
if on the other hand i were someone with doubt about my skills doing so then I'd either leave it as is, or install a HDD.
being as you have a chip already you should have no problem installing an exploit to your memory card so all you'd need is the network adapter and the HDD.
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22. December 2005 @ 21:27 |
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You could send it a pro. Teammodders.com did mine and did a great job. They installed a Matrix Infinity in mine. Davbere is one of the most knoweldgable modders there is. If you have the money, get a DMS 4 Pro or Matrix Infinity. Settle for no less than the Duo2SE, which I believe is a magic chip. Hey KC36330 since you're a modder, maybe you'd know this. A lot of mod sites won't work on v.1-3 PS2's, because their laser's don't read backup's well. Other people say they know plenty of people who have v. 1-3 PS2's modded, and they play fine. What do you think?
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23. December 2005 @ 01:33 |
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they wont mod them because it's a royal pain in the ass to take the mobo apart, it's 4 stacked boards that have 16 pins soldered to each board that connect all 4 boards (pins run the entire thickness of all the boards), these pins have to be desoldered from each board, then removal of the board and repeat till you get all 4, then you put on a single wire on and put it all back together. takes about 4 hrs to mod a V1-3 and most other versions less then an hour.
I've done quite a few of them and to this day they still play backed up games just fine, up till they made the first slims we never had laser problems with mods. now the V1-3 have a very hard time reading a +R media and most will not but read -R just fine.
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23. December 2005 @ 21:57 |
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Hmm interesting. Well thank you Sony for making the newer PS2's easier to mod lol.
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23. December 2005 @ 22:15 |
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they didn't make it with the intent on being easier to mod, the assembly costs are less as is the part count. the integration of the single mobo saves them a ton I'd imagine.
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23. December 2005 @ 22:36 |
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I agree, I think that they were focused more on saving on parts and neglecting the fact that they were making it easier to mod.
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23. December 2005 @ 23:17 |
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Yeah that was a joke, obviously that wasn't Sony's intent. So do you mod other systems KC36330?
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23. December 2005 @ 23:22 |
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very few xbox's most folks had psx/ps1's and i modded them and word got around and when the ps2s came out i got tons of requests and then ended up doing mail order for a few yrs modding 'yours' when you sent it in.
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23. December 2005 @ 23:30 |
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That's cool. What do you feel is the most reliable modchip? Is it the standard DMS 4, Matrix Infinity response? I personally have a Matrix Infinity v.1.68 and can testify that it is indeed as good as advertised, maybe better.
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24. December 2005 @ 07:51 |
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the DMS in the pro version would be my suggested chip to anyone wanting to run their own elf's and the lite if you do not. they are the only chip that i myself have found to boot 99.99999% of the time. other chips will sometimes require multiple tries to boot, the Matrix is another good quality chip but some seam to require more tries at booting then others so i treat that as a quality assurance issue and their quality assurance might not be what it could be from a company. as for the title of this thread, the Magics are very stable once booted, but are one of the chips that require multiple tries to boot in most cases. and as saddened as i am buy it i have a Magic 3.1 (and i only upgraded to that for the sleep feature when it came about) in my old v7 myself, I've found no need for any other chip so long as I'm playing off my HDD. the games that wont play of my HDD will boot via the magic, so far so good and until that changes i don't plan to change the chip
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24. December 2005 @ 13:39 |
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That's cool. According to my modder, Matrix chips tend to last longer than DMS chips. He said DMS chips are extremely picky and very fragile. I originally wanted a DMS 4 Pro in my v. 4 PS2, but there were complications with my v.4 motherboard, and I ended up with a Matrix Infinity. I wouldn't change it for the world. It works great.
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24. December 2005 @ 14:44 |
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i personally have never encountered any problems with any of the DMS line of chips, they have held up well. he just didn't like the idea of the extra wires on the DMS would be my best guess.
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24. December 2005 @ 15:02 |
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I think it was more compatibility issues with my v.4 motherboard. It would produce the occasional black screen on boot up. He put in three different DMS 4 Pro chip's and they all had the same result. I contacted him and told him that wasn't acceptable, so option B was the Matrix chip. It works great and the rest is history.
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24. December 2005 @ 17:25 |
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I'd still have to go with the idea it wasn't the chip but the installation. I've put DMS4's in V4s and they worked great. could be he had a wire in the wrong location and he was simply just swapping out chips rather then rechecking his installation.
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25. December 2005 @ 06:26 |
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Nah it was my motherboard. My mod guy is Davbere@teammodders.com (that's not an email address mods, don't panic) and his rep speaks for itself. He had installed several DMS 4 Pro chips in v.4 PS2's, mine was just picky. He was miffed, he spent 5 hours on my PS2, it normally takes him an hour to mod a PS2. I called him and decided to go with the Matrix Infinity. My motherboard worked fine with the Matrix chip. I don't mean to get defensive, but if you're calling into question Davbere's work, you are sorely mistaken. He is one of the most respected modders on the net. I dealt with him personally and can vouch for what type of person he is. He is a consumate pro, and to suggest otherwise is lunacy.
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25. December 2005 @ 13:27 |
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do you have a true version 4 or one of the 'Sony Hybrids'??
along about the time the V7's hit the market Sony dumped out allot of what i call slapped together from parts PS2s that will have V4 or V7 indications but be made from parts of various versions. i ran into quite a few of these around here and they were a real PITA to get to work with any mod and when most did work they didn't have a PS2 splash screen it was a gray box across the screen where the Playstation 2 should have been.
i don't doubt your guys quality or question his ability. i do know a few modders who are top notch but will make excuses (not saying your guy is/did) so they don't have to mod particular versions/particular chips or a mix of the two. just to add a little here, there are several of the V1-4 board locations that have alternate locations for installing each wire due to conflict problems the wire has when installed in a particular location on the board, the wires change the capacitance of the circuit and in different locations of the board, even being common connections, they cause unwanted effects.
Merry Christmas
kc
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25. December 2005 @ 22:06 |
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Yeah I didn't mean to get defensive, I'm just not used to talking to people that know more about this stuff than I do. Quite honestly the highly technical aspescts of PS2 modding are above my head. As far as I'm concerned it's not that important, as long as it does what it's supposed to do. You obviously have more knowledge of PS2 modding than I do, and I don't doubt your expertise at all when it comes to this stuff. By the same token, Davbere is one of the best modders you will find anywhere. He isn't lazy or sheisty, the exact opposite is true in fact. He is hard working and very honest. He treated me more like a friend than a client. For that I am very grateful, and I am very loyal to those I consider my friends. I would recommend him or teammodders.com to anyone who is interested in getting their PS2 chipped or buying a premod. That's my opinion, not ordained truth. So no offense intended and Merry Xmas to you as well. I've learned a lot from this thread KC36330, Thank you.
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25. December 2005 @ 22:35 |
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I've learned a lot from this thread KC36330, Thank you.
your welcome, and i honestly believe that is the intent of every post we make, to learn.
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