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diabolos
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You dont call something Nex-gen because its a enhancement over the samething you call something Nex-gen because its not the same as the past its Revolutionary.
I hate to beat a dead horse but...
What?
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You dont call something Nex-gen because its a enhancement over the samething you call something
You can twist words to mean what you want all you want, it doesn't change the facts.
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Man you right! I thought it was gonna be a war.
First, its a war because there are at least two opposing forces fighting for the same niche.
Websters defines war as; 2 b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end
What end? The HD movie market. So yes it is a war.
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its very hard to justify selling someone a player for 500.00 dollars when we have smaller dvd player that can do the samething but lesser clairty or they could get a upconvert dvd player.
Please speak for yourself because my store is empty. But we still have a couple Samsungs left! :)
It sounds like you need to put the HD-DVD player on a 1080p tv using HDMI. Then properly calibrate the 1080p set and then put as actual HD-DVD or HD-DVD demo disc in the player. Then show the customers what they are missing (the art of the demo!).
With all of this talk about video quality and the formats not being next gen I begin to wonder how much you guys know about these new format. I feel that it is time to fully expose HD-DVD and Blu-ray and DVD and show you all why these new formats are cool, "next gen" and why people should buy into them. I will post a new thread on in this topic somewhere in the coming weeks.
Well thats all for now...
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DamonDash
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8. July 2006 @ 22:31 |
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I twist words..lol what are you talking about im speaking something i see everyday.Okay how can you call something a WAR when Blu-ray just got on the market to sell where as HD-DVD had has all ready been on the market for a while.Diabolos you need to read the meaning of War because it looked like you didnt understand it.Far as people not understanding the new format i unstand it very clear its a Damm Bigger DVD i just dont fall prey to some of the things other people say.Please tell me something Nex-gen that the Blu-ray or HD-DVD can do that the DVD cant do on a smaller scale.As a matter of fact Diabolos ask Microsoft Development Team for the 360 that same question i just asked you and see what they say.They put 360 games on DVD9.But the System itself is nex-gen why because i does alot of thing that the X-BOX cant do.Not enhance things.
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how can you call something a WAR when Blu-ray just got on the market to sell where as HD-DVD had has all ready been on the market for a while
Just because a product came into the market later does not mean it's not meant to compete against another product. When PS3 comes out this fall you bet it's coming out to compete against the 360. Case in point - Betamax was introduced by Sony in 1975 and JVC introduced VHS later in 1976. The format war that ensued became a classic case study in marketing.
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Diabolos you need to read the meaning of War because it looked like you didnt understand it.
It looks like you're the one who does not understand the concept. HD-DVD and BluRay are competing for your high-def dollar. All over the internet you see HD-DVD vs BluRay, Toshiba vs Sony. In AV and tech forums you see supporters of each side arguing back and forth, defending their cause. Just look at all these links:
http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/129058.html
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=151
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=152
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=149
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=150
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/7628.cfm
...and many more.
From your own afterdawn news section:
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With the battle lines drawn, it's still anyone's ballgame as to who will eventually reign supreme in this format war. Price seems to be the foremost thing on consumer's minds regarding which format is adopted. As supplies are made more readily available, we should see prices drop dramatically.
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its a Damm Bigger DVD i just dont fall prey to some of the things other people say.Please tell me something Nex-gen that the Blu-ray or HD-DVD can do that the DVD cant do on a smaller scale.
You bet it's a damn bigger disc. HD is roughly 6 times the resolution of standard DVD's. You and others like you may not see and hear a difference - and you have a right to feel that way. Those of us who have the equipment to see and hear a difference are sold and we are embracing the new technology. Don't dismiss us just because you don't see a difference or you don't care. You say you work around this stuff all day - fine. You see a lot of average customers who may not care - but we do. We have seen the best picture we have ever seen from a commercial product and are not satisfied with the "smaller scale." We want our high def and we're willing to spend money to get the best. That's our opinion and you can't change it.
I've read this somewhere: "If picture quality was not important then we'd still be collecting VHS tapes."
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9. July 2006 @ 09:39 |
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Please tell me something Nex-gen that the Blu-ray or HD-DVD can do that the DVD cant do on a smaller scale.
I'm going to start a thread about this but one example (other than higher picture resolutions and using better codecs that don't produce any visible artifacts...) is the ability to stream special features over the internet. Extra features can now be played in sync with the main feature (audio and video). Directors can now talk about seens and actualy show what they are talking about. One of the coolest features I read about is the ability to watch the movie and see how they created the scene in another window as it happens. There where examples of CGI and CGI inviroments with real people!
That is just the tip of the iceberg. Any thing is possible with the new iHD and BD-J interactivity systems of HD-DVD and Blu-ray.
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well... many people are going to buy the ps3 and that will include a blu- ray player which will boost popularity
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Okay im Blu-ray & HD-DVD out Guys....lol time for me to move on or i will hate my PS3 when i get it.
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But the System itself is nex-gen why because i does alot of thing that the X-BOX cant do.Not enhance things
Depends on how much is " alot " to you...Not alot to me
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Well for me I'm a tech kinda guy and I still wouldn't pay for an HD-DVD player for $500.Maybe when they come down to like $250 and if they win the "war".Ps3 will offer the bluray,games,support for regular dvd's,cell chip,wifi,hdmi 1.3(primo model only),free online,...etc there's just to much to list.
So for $600 I will be getting alot in value when compaired to just a stand alone HD-DVD player for about the same price.
I also have xbox 360 but want ps3 as well because I love alot of the exclusive titles.
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@tycobb:
Like you said the PS3 and the Toshiba are two very different things. One is a computer/gaming console that's supposed to do a lot of things. The other is a standalone HD-DVD player that's exclusively for movie playback. People buy the Toshiba for completely different reasons - it's not meant to compete with the PS3. We will be definitely interested in one aspect of the PS3 though and that's how well it performs with BluRay movie playback.
You should also realize that when you get the PS3 you will have to budget for games - which are definitely going to be much more expensive than movies - plus accessories, etc. That will bring your total to close to $1000 depending on how many games you plan to get at launch. Online retailers will probably have PS3 bundles at $1000 or more.
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@tycobb:
It also doesn't make sense for you to get the Toshiba since you mentioned somewhere that you don't have an HDTV yet. If I were you I'd look to get a PS3 and an HDTV first then think about HD movie formats later. You really won't get that WOW factor from HD movies until you get an HDTV.
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You should also realize that when you get the PS3 you will have to budget for games
not true i Pre-order a few games for my PS3(MGS4,GranTour HD)The highest PS3 games going to be is 69.99 10 more US dollars than others games thats all(i pre-order at BestBuy and the Manager a sure me that the price would not be higher than that he said that Sony has comfirm with them that price thing is only a rumor.).Thats on selected title like Gran Tour-HD.If you cant handle the price of games(basic same as 360) you can always rent them.
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@DamonDash:
You obviously have no idea of the concept of budgeting. Ask your mom or your girlfriend. This is why women take care of money matters in the family. With the price of games $60-$70 the importance of budgeting becomes more important. Not everyone has unlimited resources to spend on the PS3. For example if you get 4 games on release you have to add another $240 to your gaming expenses. Add a few accessories - maybe an additional $100. Everything adds up. If you think you'll get by with just $600 when the PS3 comes out you're sadly mistaken. That's what budgeting means.
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DamonDash
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@ JudyChick excuse me im a grown ass man i dont need my mom or woman to do anything for me.Dont judge me on your budget i know what i can and cant afford. They are alot of men out here that can budget there money.
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@JudyChick:
Good point! My girlfriend just laughed out loud when she read your response to DamonDash. She obviously agrees with you.
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diabolos
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You obviously have no idea of the concept of budgeting. Ask your mom or your girlfriend...
This is why women take care of money matters in the family. Not everyone has unlimited resources to spend on the PS3...
If you think you'll get by with just $600 when the PS3 comes out you're sadly mistaken.
You make a true point. Just about every man I sell things to how to check-in with there better half who they affectionately call "The Boss" before "any" purchase is made.
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excuse me im a grown ass man i dont need my mom or woman to do anything for me.Dont judge me on your budget i know what i can and cant afford. They are alot of men out here that can budget there money.
I'm a grown single man that can budget his money too but I feel that statment was unneccessary. DamonDash I think you missed the point of her statment.
JudyChick please correct me if I'm wrong,
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in double layer Blu-ray,
the Hole 50GB disk only store 2 hours in 1080p video encoded in mpeg2.
Using Mpeg4(AVC), 1080p, It can store 4 hours.
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Too bad sony is using the old MPEG-2 codec. Anyhow I kinda agree with the whole women thing. I lived in house with my girlfriend and roomate and his wife. I remember then the day the Sammy BD was release he brought it. I was really surprised bc lets say we wouldnt be living together if we had mucho money. Anyhow we actually had to hide the player for a couple of from his wife and my girlfriend while secretly testing it out. We eventually returned it bc the PQ well frankly "sucked". About 2 weeks ago we brokedown and begged my girlfriend and his wife if we could buy the HD-A1.After splitting the cost down the middle (250) I am a proud co-owner of HD-DVD and I couldnt be happier. Honestly Im no bitch but when making a signifant purchase ex: car,house, expenses eletronic you may want to run this by your mate they tend to get pissed if you dont.
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Okay look why should you have to run anything by your mate if the bills are paid & everything in the house whole is took care of.Some of you guys need to grow a back bone and start being the man of the house like you should be.I bet she's not going to show you all the little things(that do add up)outfits etc...she picked up from the mall.
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LOL you have a point.Besides if she doesn't put out for a week or two at least you'll have your ps3 or whatever to play with hehehe....
It's not that much to budget for me because I know the hours of enjoyment I would receive from any console.When you understand the specs it's actually cheap(for me anyways).I may have the thing for 5 years.
Whatever happened to renting games? Judychick you don't have to buy every game and nobody is for certain the price of games will be that high.There is gamefly and blockbuster's online service as well.Not to mention all the free demo's you can download via the free online service from sony.
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HD-DVD also convert regular dvd to HD. Blu-ray doesn't. another plus for people who doesn't have upconver dvd player.
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You have to take into account the name too, many people are unfamiliar with the name "Blu-Ray" and the name "HD-DVD" sounds like DVD which is trusted and used by millions. Just by talking to people who dont keep up on tech news I can already see HD-DVD is going to win. Because everyone that I talk to about which format they are going to use say to me "Blue what?" (except the few and far between) so imagine (in a few years, when HD becomes commonplace) some single mother who wants to upgrade her DVD player to a HD player. Is she going to buy some technology called "Blu-Ray" or something that sounds like the player that she has trusted for years, just with a HD infront of the DVD part? Probably the HD-DVD one because it sounds like the technology that she has had for years.
Just a thought.
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I have no idea how blu ray think it's going to be win.
$1000 vs $500. Not to mention $500 has a better picture quilty. I think a LOT of people would pick the $500. Or maby that's just me.
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HD-DVD also convert regular dvd to HD. Blu-ray doesn't. another plus for people who doesn't have upconver dvd player.
Not true, all current HD-DVD and Blu-ray players play and upconvert standard def DVDs.
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nope,Samsung Blu-ray Disc Player BD-P1000 does not upconvert. some may like sony Blu-ray.
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7. August 2006 @ 14:59 |
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The BDP 1000 DOES UPCONVERSION of regular DVD's:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article...
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...it proved an excellent upconverter of regular DVDs, which it can reproduce via HDMI in 720p, 1080i or 1080p signal format. These don't look even remotely as good as true high-definition Blu-ray Discs, but on high-quality DVDs the performance compared favorably to the upconverted image from our $3,500 Denon reference player, a real feat.
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