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HD DVD won, you just don't know yet.
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5. July 2006 @ 23:02 |
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People are not going to buy 2 Different DVD players so we must have a winner. and the winner is HD DVD.
Blu ray has 50gb (double layers)
HD DVD has 30gb (double layers)
1hour HD program is 5.5gb.
Do we relly need 20gb of EXTRA FEATURES?
One Best reason why blu ray lost is because of the PRICE
Who would pay $1000 for Blu-ray when you can get HD-DVD for $500. Even the movie cost more in Blu-ray.
When people walk in to best buy and see that HD-DVD and Blu-ray has almost same picture quilty and same sound quilty. (which they can't even tell the difference)They're going to pick HD DVD.
It seems like sony made another BETA mistake.
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diabolos
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6. July 2006 @ 04:01 |
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This should have been posted in the thread
"...and round one goes to HD-DVD"
Not made into a new thread.
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6. July 2006 @ 14:30 |
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and round one goes to HD-DVD
I'm not talking about ROUND ONE. I'm talking about the who won the WAR.
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6. July 2006 @ 15:53 |
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No one will win because just about all the major Hardware makers for DVD are making a Muitformat Player thats going to play both HD-DVD & Blu-ray.There in no War you guys need to stop buying into the Hype.Its a choice just like buying a car.Like Ford v Chevy.
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6. July 2006 @ 16:00 |
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all the major Hardware makers for DVD are making a Muitformat Player
I'd like to see your sources for this statement. Do you have any links to internet articles or press releases?
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6. July 2006 @ 20:37 |
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Muitformat Player thats going to play both HD-DVD & Blu-ray.
Not true. I don't think blu ray and HD DVD will work together. No ONE is going to buy HD DVD player and Blu ray player.
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7. July 2006 @ 02:41 |
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Samsung to Offer Blu-Ray/HD-DVD Player
By Ed Oswald, BetaNews
September 6, 2005, 12:15 PM
There is still no agreement in the fight to become the de-facto standard for next generation DVDs, but at least one company is preparing itself for the possibility of competing technologies and will produce a DVD player that will be able to play both Blu-ray and HD-DVD formats.
A Samsung executive told the Financial Times Deutschland that while the company is pushing for a single standard, it is ready to produce a player that would be compatible with both formats.
LG drops plans for its Blu-ray player in favor of a universal player
LG has added yet another twist to the ongoing Blu-ray vs HD-DVD format wars. According to an internal memo, LG has dropped plans to launch its BD199 Blu-ray player this spring. "In light of uncertainty in this early stage of the market for pre-recorded high-definition optical discs, we have decided not to introduce the BD199 as originally planned for this spring," said LG sales VP Bob Perry.
The spring release of the BD199 would have played well with Sony's May 23 launch date for Blu-ray content. Instead, the company will release a hybrid player that can playback both Blu-ray and HD-DVD content in late summer/early fall
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7. July 2006 @ 02:47 |
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dblbogey7: there you go.
rihgt682: Very much true my friend, dont buy into the hype machine.
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7. July 2006 @ 04:09 |
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DamonDash:
You haven't proven your statement. You said ALL MAJOR HARDWARE MAKERS.
You have ONLY SAMSUNG and LG. How about Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, Pioneer, Denon, etc, etc. No one else has announced a multiformat player. Do you have other links?
Your article is also outdated. It's from September 2005. Here's a more recent statement from Samsung from June of this year:
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6347971.html
Samsung Fully Supports Blu-ray, Denies HD DVD Combo Reports
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?Samsung has no intention to join the HD DVD player market,? Kim insisted. ?But if market trends are going to HD DVD or to a universal player, then we are going too. But we are concentrating on Blu-ray. A universal player introduction will be based on the market.?
Samsung is being very careful so as not to piss-off Sony.
(Hat tip to eatsushi for the link)
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7. July 2006 @ 05:42 |
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@ dblbogey7,
I'm glad you posted that before I did.
@ rihgt682 ,
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I'm not talking about ROUND ONE. I'm talking about the who won the WAR.
Did you even read the tread. If you did (which has been my point from the beginning) you would know that time is the only variable that means anything right now. Both formats are in there infancy and have very far to go.
When I read your thread I thought that you would shed some light on the whole Toshiba still wants a unified format annoncement but instead you base your own conclusions as to why HD-DVD is better than Blu-ray. Then you talk about manufactures. I the manufactures are making a Blu-ray/HD-DVD player, in 2009, how is that declaring HD-DVD as the winner or the war?
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There in no War you guys need to stop buying into the Hype.Its a choice just like buying a car.Like Ford v Chevy.
So if there is no war and we are all just talking about these technologies in their own thread for no reason then which technology do you choose DamonDash?
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I'd like to see your sources for this statement. Do you have any links to internet articles or press releases?
I think thats a darn good question.
Untill I see prof of research...
Ced
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7. July 2006 @ 07:23 |
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Here's a report about a device developed by Ricoh that will be able to read both HD-DVD and BD:
http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/afx/2006/07/06/afx2863247.html
The important thing to note is that they hope to commercialize this device "by the end of next year" which means realistically 2008 for hardware makers. By then we would already have several next-gen players plus the PS3 and the 360 add-on. By then the "war" could already have a winner.
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7. July 2006 @ 12:45 |
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Even they have HD-dvd/Blu-ray (which i don't think it would never happened) It's going to take years to hybrid together. Have you seen how big It is JUST for Blu-ray right now.
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8. July 2006 @ 04:41 |
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Thx you eatsushi.Some people only see the things they want to see.First off saying its a war is Crazy why.They both do the samething to a degree there is nothing nex-gen about Blu-ray & HD-DVD.Its not like going from a VHS to a DVD.Blu-Ray & HD-DVD is a enhencement tool use for better clarity & more content on the disc.I think the word nextgen get throw around to much.
dblbogey7 i did not say all the major hardware makers i said just about all next time read before you reply.Quote:
just about all the major Hardware makers
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LG, Ricoh and (maybe) Samsung cant be considered "just about all." The three of them are a very small minority of DVD hardware makers. Ricoh makes DVDRW drives but I don't think they make standalone DVD players - anyone correct me on this. Plus like the link said - Samsung is concentrating on BluRay and will hold off plans for a combo depending on the market. Anyway I think you missed eatsushi's point - He says by the time Ricoh comes out with that device it may be too late - there may already be a market winner. These three companies are NOT "just about all."
Ced and me are still waiting for your links about the other major hardware makers like Sony, Toshiba, Pioneer, Panasonic, Denon etc. announcing combo players.
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They both do the samething to a degree there is nothing nex-gen about Blu-ray & HD-DVD.Its not like going from a VHS to a DVD.Blu-Ray & HD-DVD is a enhencement tool use for better clarity & more content on the disc.I think the word nextgen get throw around to much.
So I guess you don't think Xbox 360 and PS3 would be next gen because they do about the same thing as Xbox and PS2 but only with "Better clarity and more content on the disc"?
I'm sorry but I just don't subscribe to the "its not as big as VHS to DVD" theory.
Ced
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I agree with Ced 100%
In my opinion - and using the proper equipment - the improvement of HD-DVD over standard DVD is greater than the improvement of DVD over VHS. Once BluRay gets its act together this will aslo be true with BD's. I don't watch regular DVD's anymore unless they're upconverted to 1080i. Even then the PQ is still inferior to true high def sources.
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Opinions, opinions, opinions. Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk,tsk.
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@Dammondash (Your 1st post)
Man you right! I thought it was gonna be a war. Like everyone else. But if you think about it that makes so much more sense.
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LOL. Samething you just choose a format with better picture clarity.Yes 360 & PS3 are next gen because they dont do the samethings as X-BOX or PS2.I would say more so PS3 not because of Blu-ray but the Cell processer the first of its kind.The Cell chip is going to come in home PC,Labtops etc......You dont call something Nex-gen because its a enhancement over the samething you call something Nex-gen because its not the same as the past its Revolutionary.Have you guys seen a HD-DVD hooked up to a 1080P set yet? i have i work around it everyday at my part-time job at H.H.Greg.The picture is a lot better but nex-gen NO !
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Have you guys seen a HD-DVD hooked up to a 1080P set yet?
I have a 60 inch Sony SXRD at 1080P and the Toshiba gives the best PQ to it so far. I have also seen the Tosh in action on my dad's 1080p Ruby projector on a 110 inch screen. The PQ is just awesome.
You may not agree with my opinion but nothing you can say can change it.
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8. July 2006 @ 08:32 |
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HD-DVD sales are hard to come by here because its hard to sell a HD-DVD player to a customer when the first thing they say is My DVD player does the samething as this player what i need it for its very hard to justify selling someone a player for 500.00 dollars when we have smaller dvd player that can do the samething but lesser clairty or they could get a upconvert dvd player.
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8. July 2006 @ 08:38 |
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Others may be content with regular DVD's - and they have the right to think so. But I consider myself a videophile and and early adopter so I tend to get the newest technology. I must say that the Toshiba HD-DVD player at $500 is the best purchase I've made in the past year with respect to value. It's the 2nd cheapest component on my A/V rack but it delivers the best bang for the buck.
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HD-DVD sales are hard to come by here
Tell me where your store is as I have several friends looking to buy an HD-DVD player. All the local stores have sold out their Toshibas - either the HD-A1 or the HD-XA1. They're also looking to see if the new RCA HDV5000's are as good.
Added: Nevermind - they ordered online.
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8. July 2006 @ 10:11 |
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Its not like going from a VHS to a DVD
It is, If you have HDTV. I have HDTV and Regular DVD player looks awful. Yep awful. But it looks ok if you have upcovertion HDMI dvd player. But not good as Blu ray or HD DVD. So if your going to stick with your tube t.v, then you have no reason to buy Next gen dvds. But if you have HDTV then you might wanna get it.
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When you guys talk you got to keep one thing in mind.Your alot more informed then the average customer.Thats why you guys and me can justify the price tag they cant.Five Hundred US dollars to a hardworking person is a lot of money.But onething is missing that people has over looked is upconvert DVD players there sales has just up unbelievable the last few months.Why price between the 70-140 range once they go down a little more they will sale even better.
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8. July 2006 @ 10:53 |
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Exactly right. We're in the HD-DVD and BluRay Forum and the "average customer" wouldn't normally look in here for info unless he was interested in the new formats. This is where we post our opinions of how great (or how bad) the new formats are. The "average customer" can then decide for himself if they're worth his time or money.
BTW - the cheapest component in my AV rack is an Oppo upconverting DVD player. Although the Toshiba HD-A1 has proven to be a top-notch upconverter I'm keeping the Oppo for its multi-region capabilities. But like I said before the PQ of upconverted DVD's on my SXRD is still inferior to true HD sources such as HD-DVD.
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