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PacMan777
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3. November 2007 @ 01:37 |
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Originally posted by camyaj:
Sorry Pacman but dont see how any number of passes can make any difference when the Maximum compression shrink will allow is 1.2% resulting in minimum file size of 6G/bytes + and thats just the title.
No need to be sorry. I see you're not familiar with Shrink especially by the way you discuss its compression and output. You obviously don't understand DVD Shrink's ability to compress. 1.2% is negligible. I've done good backups at near 50%.
The readings you see when Shrink opens are what it takes to transcode the source files. As noted by others, 1.2% is almost negligible. I don't see where you were getting that. Usually unchecking an unneeded language file would take care of such a small amount. I did the region 1 release of Spider Man 3 and below are what I found. We've already been told the region 2 release was a walk in the park and region 1 turned out the same.
The Spidey 3 release to region 1 has only the old CSS encryption and region code. Shrink is capable of processing this release by itself.
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Media is a DVD.
Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 2 (opposite)
Size of first Layer: 2042896 sectors (3990 MBytes)
Total size: 4026176 sectors (7863 MBytes)
Video DVD (or CD) label: Spider-Man 3
Media is CSS protected!
Video Standard: NTSC
Media is locked to region(s): 1!
RCE protection not found.
Structural copy protection not found.
Found & removed Autorun from Video DVD!
Bad sector protection not found.
Emulating RPC-2 drive with region 1!
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The only protection found was CSS encryption and the region code. That's about as light as it gets unless they make the DVD region free. This was what copy protection looked like before the studios started getting fancy.
When Spider Man 3 opens after analysis the Main Movie (under DVD Structure) is highlighted and the compression reading is at 44.7% with compression at Automatic. Clicking on the title shows 46%. The indicator bar at the top reads 4,585MB. Here lets note that the default is 4464MB. All that's needed to get rid of the red and get Shrink back in the green is to remove enough material making up 121MB. Depending on language preference, you can uncheck either the AC3 2-channel English or Spanish Audio. Removing the 196MB file is more than enough to get the compression to fit in the default 4464MB. Most people remove audio and subpictures they won't be using to improve the compression ratio. That's nothing new or a workaround. It's business as usual with Shrink. I chose to watch the video with an English track and have English subpicture available. Compression was lowered to a reading of 54.1% after unchecking all Spanish selections. Odd how those numbers work, but that's the accepted format, numbers increase and compression decreases. This means the files selected only need 45.9% compression to fit a DVD5. I've gone this low (54.1%) before without problems. Note the indicator bar is now solid green. In Backup you need to be sure to check the Quality Settings for Deep Analysis and Adaptive Error Compensation for improved transcoding under high compression.
For those wanting to lower compression as much as possible, Reauthor can be used to select only the Main Movie. For very high compression jobs, like Spidey 3, I suggest the use of Rebuilder.
@camyaz
You said you didn't see how a double pass with Shrink would make a difference. That's an old trick. Output to the HD with the first transcode and run the output through as the source for a second transcode. Most often the resulting output the second time will fit the default 4464MB size. In the case of Spider Man 3, that isn't necessary.
My friends here at AD aren't here to abuse or be abused. We've used the software so long we know how it works and your take on the software is flawed. I'm not calling you a liar, just saying you need to read more about the program and get familiar with it's use. Your posts are welcome, but you shouldn't become antagonistic if someone corrects an error. I've had it done to me in the past. It's nothing personal.
If anyone sees an error in my analysis of doing Spidey 3 (region 1) with Shrink, feel free to comment. If Shrink alone can do a successful transcode, most any combination of backup software that can handle a bit of compression can get the job done.
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camyaj
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3. November 2007 @ 14:30 |
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Pacman I do apologise I did not spot your detailed answer By the way it was not your comments the liar remark was aimed at. To be told something hasnt happened to others when one knows it has is annoying to say the least .My work around was in fact to rip to hard drive that did not work screen shot or link to shows the result even with compression ratio at 100% still over the top and this is in reauthor as you will see. . If you work in the initial dvd mode the compression ratio is fixed at 98.8% the slider is at 0 preventing any kind of compression hence my original statement about only to D/layerAlso I am talking about region 2.
This gives me the thought that there is something lurking in the dvd and the image when you rip that is confusing shrink .I would be pleased to hear your views on that.
Sorry for some reason the links dont work . However I do fully understand the compression but if the ratio is at 98.8 and the slider at o then you cannot do anything. As the links not working feel free to PM me and I will send the screenshot.
image fixed by creaky
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PacMan777
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3. November 2007 @ 15:14 |
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I see where you went wrong. You tried to use Custom Ratio instead of Automatic. With the Spanish options unchecked the compression level rises to 77.5%, meaning the title needs to be compressed by 22.5%. That's an easy task for Shrink.
In Custom Ratio as you moved the slider to the right, the amount of allowable compression decreased causing the red to appear and Shrink to be unable to compress properly. In Shrink the numbers represent ratios. So at 100% in Shrink, no compression is taking place. So naturally a 5455MB file isn't going to fit into a 4464MB space. In Custom Ratio when you see red on the indicator bar, you move the slider left instead of right until you reach 4464MB or whatever the size is set (4464MB is the default). With 1 title selected Automatic will put the slider where it's supposed to be automatically.
The slider in Custom Ratio is usually used when theres more than one file and used to decrease compression on one set of files which in turn increases it on others. For instance you'd go as far as you could decreasing compression on the main movie, moving the slider right, but that would in turn increase compression on menus and extras and move the slider on those to the left. You only move the slider right until you read 4464 at which point the indicator bar goes into the red. If you move the slider with only Title 1 all the way to the left in Custom Ratio the reading is 44.7% which allows Shrink 55.3% compression. That makes the output much smaller and the green bar would only read 3,022MB with grey on the right. That's over compressing. So, use Automatic as your compression setting and all should be okay.
The issue here is compression, so there's little or no difference between region 1 and region 2 in content. Encryption doesn't play a role. The only way the error you mention would happen is when someone uses the software incorrectly. I'm not saying the error you made isn't made by others, but they wouldn't happen if the software is used correctly. Note the picture below. With the software only needing to compress 22.5% (reading 77.5% compression ratio) there's no need at all for a DL. A person could put the entire DVD with all extras on a DL without editing and the only software needed would be a decrypter like DVDFab HD Decrypter and ImgBurn (both free).
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On rare occasions there's DVDs that Shrink has problems compressing, but they're rare and Spider Man 3 isn't one of them. I did this one in Full Disc with just the Spanish removed. Even with the high compression the DVD played well and the video looked decent. The files were compressed by about 45.6%.
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camyaj
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3. November 2007 @ 19:04 |
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Thans for your patience and to whoever fixed the screenshot. Though it works fine on other forums) .However still dont understand the custom ratio not really relevant I have now shown how it is with automatic and its 98.8 with the slider at 0. .
I have used shrink many times and always the ratio automatically selects to compress to a single layer why with this disc does it not allow
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3. November 2007 @ 19:27 |
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I fixed the screenshots both times. Use lower case img tags or just post the direct link and hit the radio button to insert an image from the post reply box.
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3. November 2007 @ 21:54 |
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Why don't you try the Open Disk tab if you are ripping from the disk and not the Full Disk Tab.
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PacMan777
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4. November 2007 @ 03:59 |
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Originally posted by arniebear:
Why don't you try the Open Disk tab if you are ripping from the disk and not the Full Disk Tab.
Full Disc is the mode Shrink is operating in, not the source. Mode selections are Full Disc or Reauthor. For the source, commands are Open Disc, Open Files, and Open Disc Image.
What we haven't seen here is a capture of DVD Shrink with the factory Spider Man 3 DVD opened in Full Disc before processing. The captures we've seen are Title 1 selected in Reauthor before processing and an ISO that has already been processed at least once. Audio errors appear in both.
camyaj
I addressed the first pic where you had the compression set incorrectly in Reauthor. There is a problem with the audio, it's too small, no way the audio would have been right. So, there is something apparently wrong with your source. Note the English audio files in the pic I supplied for Title 1 in Reauthor.
As for your pics reading the ISO, the ISO appears to be flawed as well. The audio has been damaged somewhere in the process. Look at the size of the audio tracks in the pic I supplied. I have no idea what else was done wrong. Use a factory DVD and not the flawed items you have and use Shrink correctly and your problems should be solved. Using flawed sources, you can't hope to get a good output.
If you will, take the original factory DVD, open it in Shrink and before you do anything else, post a pic of it here. I'd like to see it in Full Disc and nothing unchecked.
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camyaj
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4. November 2007 @ 05:13 |
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Originally posted by LOCOENG:
I fixed the screenshots both times. Use lower case img tags or just post the direct link and hit the radio button to insert an image from the post reply box.
Thank you but I only did it as photbucket is set/
Pacman
At present dont have the disc other than the copy I made which incidentally worked fine .That had to be made after saving to a folder before I could shrink it .I see the point about the audio this is nothing I done and have a screenshot of the folder taken at the same time which shows the audio correct size. I am not the only one who has had this problem surely ther must be something built into the disc which is causing this it is a genuine dvd Thanks again for your help
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s161/jaymac_port/shrink3.jpg
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PacMan777
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4. November 2007 @ 05:30 |
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Originally posted by bruce32:
TO CREAKY - thank you for your assist. It turns out was a fault on pc and is now fixed. thanks for an informed and helpful response.
@camyaj
bruce32 is from Region 2 as is Creaky. According to them there is no big problem in Region 2 concerning Spidey 3. Neither region added heavy copy protection. It was a large movie calling for higher compression than usual, but not a serious problem.
Your pics are a bit strange as they show only about 11MB for audio tracks in the ISO you recorded and the capture of your source in Reauthor. What happened to the sound? Note the audio tracks in the capture I provided. I suspect your source more than anything and the setting you had for compression in Reauthor was incorrect. You've obviously had a couple of things working against you. When you get your original back, let us see how that capture looks. I'd like to see the original source.
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camyaj
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4. November 2007 @ 08:08 |
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Originally posted by PacMan777:
Originally posted by bruce32:
TO CREAKY - thank you for your assist. It turns out was a fault on pc and is now fixed. thanks for an informed and helpful response.
@camyaj
bruce32 is from Region 2 as is Creaky. According to them there is no big problem in Region 2 concerning Spidey 3. Neither region added heavy copy protection. It was a large movie calling for higher compression than usual, but not a serious problem.
Your pics are a bit strange as they show only about 11MB for audio tracks in the ISO you recorded and the capture of your source in Reauthor. What happened to the sound? Note the audio tracks in the capture I provided. I suspect your source more than anything and the setting you had for compression in Reauthor was incorrect. You've obviously had a couple of things working against you. When you get your original back, let us see how that capture looks. I'd like to see the original source.
Ok But cant understand why the same disc copied to folder showed the correct audio size?
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PacMan777
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4. November 2007 @ 10:36 |
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Originally posted by camyaj:
Ok But cant understand why the same disc copied to folder showed the correct audio size?
I missed that image. Just for the heck of it, open the DL you successfully recorded, in DVD Shrink, and let me see an image for that in Full Disc.
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camyaj
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4. November 2007 @ 11:06 |
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Start again Ha . I have the disc and the screenshot of the full disc shows the audio tracks still wrong and for icing on the cake the disc will not open in shrink unless any dvd is running .The message comes up Shrink has encounterd aproblem ''Invalid dvd structure or format something like that. Back to the original events the only way I could do it was select dual layer in shrink this still did not allow compression to be altered though no need. This was saved to folder then reopened in shrink set to single layer .The compression was now working and the audio showed the correct size
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s161/jaymac_port/Shrinkdvd.jpg
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4. November 2007 @ 11:20 |
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sony has production facilities in other region or some where because mine was with aarcos cryption some of you were lucky to dss cryption
but anyway aarcos was piece of cake with "rip it fo me" rip sony aarcos[/color]
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Jaffo
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4. November 2007 @ 15:32 |
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Apologies for butting in; just found this thread whilst Googling. I was having the same problem whereby Shrink didn't seem to want to compress the movie when reauthoring it but clicking the analysis button and letting it do it's thing (5 mins or so) sorted it out.
HTH
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PacMan777
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5. November 2007 @ 07:35 |
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Originally posted by camyaj:
Start again Ha . I have the disc and the screenshot of the full disc shows the audio tracks still wrong and for icing on the cake the disc will not open in shrink unless any dvd is running .The message comes up Shrink has encounterd aproblem ''Invalid dvd structure or format something like that. Back to the original events the only way I could do it was select dual layer in shrink this still did not allow compression to be altered though no need. This was saved to folder then reopened in shrink set to single layer .The compression was now working and the audio showed the correct size
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s161/...dvd.jpg
As for your copy of Spidey 3 I can only rely on members from region 2. One thing you can do, open the selection to view the protection info in AnyDVD, that will give us some insight into the copy protection on the DVD. In the AnyDVD Settings select Show information window for new media. That's the info I posted above. I'm wondering if there's a difference in some of the copy protection. Normally if Shrink does the quick analysis to open a DVD it's a good indicator the file structure is compliant. Also, Shrink doesn't usually finish analysis if there is copy protection heavier than it can handle.
Out of curiosity, what does the picture of Shrink look like with AnyDVD running in the background. I'd like to see if those audio files change size. That pic and the info from AnyDVD should show if it's a protected DVD.
I'll repeat myself. You don't need Shrink for doing DL. Shrink is only for transcoding (shrinking files) and minor editing. The decryption software is weak and can only do the lightest protections (like those I posted above for Spidey 3, region 1). You have AnyDVD, you can use it with ImgBurn for DL. I prefer ripping the source to the HD and working from there, but that's a personal preference.
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@Jaffo
Thanks for corroborating what I mentioned earlier. With heavy compression the Quality Settings need to be used. Deep analysis is one of those features. There's also the Anaysis on the toolbar, it's the same thing. Are you region 1 or 2?
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@ali2007
What region are you in and what software did you use to ascertain the presence of ARccOS? From RipIt4Me I found this info for Spidey 3, region 1:
I 23:20:19: Video Format: NTSC
I 23:20:19: There are no protected cells. This DVD does not seem to be protected.
I 23:20:19: Found no unreferenced titleset.
I 23:20:19: Analysing DVD structure
That corroborates the info I posted from AnyDVD.
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Jaffo
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5. November 2007 @ 07:58 |
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Originally posted by PacMan777:
Are you region 1 or 2?
Region 2, when first loaded into Shrink it was doing the 98.8% prob that has been mentioned but after running the analysis it came back up at a compression to fit a DVD5. After deselecting a few tracks, the movie + 4 audio tracks + 4 subtitle tracks worked out about 70% iirc.
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5. November 2007 @ 08:08 |
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Jaffo
Okay, now we've ascertained camyaj isn't alone with his 98.8% reading. But, using Shrink with Deep Analysis takes care of the problem. Without one of the discs, I can't say what's actually causing it to read that way. The only thing I can think of off hand is the additional languages on the region 2 release. If all that's needed is the additional Deep Analysis, that is a matter of compression, not copy protection. You wouldn't happen to have a copy of AnyDVD would you? I'd like to see the copy protection from the information window.
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@camyaj
With just Shrink working, AnyDVD off, retry Spidey 3 and before opening Backup, run Analysis from the toolbar to see if that clears up your problem. Once that's done, try unchecking the unneeded audio and subpicture. The Quality Settings in Backup will still need to be selected.
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camyaj
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5. November 2007 @ 08:30 |
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my thanks to jaffo for confirming there is a variation in Some discs. Perhaps you can understand my annoyance at the start when some views pointed to me knowing nothing and it must be me doing something ornot doing something.Water under the bridge now .The last screenshot was with anydvd running as I said without it shrink cant open this disc. As for D/l I do use Imgburn though never bother with D/ls my reference to it in shrink was that without doing something different either your suggestion or my own way the only option was D/l.I think it is more than just the extra languages other wise why would shrink throw up invalid dvd structure
Any road many thanks for bearing with me on this much appreiated concerning the bumpy start to my post
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PacMan777
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5. November 2007 @ 08:54 |
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No problem about the bumpy start. As Creaky pointed out, no one was trying to put you down. Often people work from what they have at hand. A lot of contributors are region 1, but this is an international forum.
Problems usually arise from flawed discs or improper use of the software. Jaffo said he got the same initial reading as you, but all that was needed was to run the deep analysis and uncheck some unneeded audio and subpicture selections. That indicates compression, not copy protection. Give it a try the way Jaffo did and see if that makes the difference.
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@Jaffo
Just to make sure, did you do Spidey 3 only with Shrink or did you use other software to bypass the encryption?
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5. November 2007 @ 10:08 |
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nice sig pic Pacman, that's by far the best yet.
anyways, 'fraid i can't offer any help on Spidey 3 myself, (flat broke this month so am a bit late in buying my latest movies), but i'd be interested to see what running the movie thru DVDFab does for the files, as opposed to using just Shrink (edit- apologies if that's been mentioned further up the thread, a bit distracted at the moment so can't concentrate on re-reading the whole thread thru); the reason i say that is that i always personally use DVDFab by default now, regardless of whether a movie might need the extra help or not. I only ever use Shrink or DVD Decrypter by default when it's a backup i'm trying to rip from, or a recording made on my TV DVD Recorder..
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5. November 2007 @ 11:07 |
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Thanks. The credit for the sig goes to fasfrank.
The short story on Spidey 3 is that region 1 is as easy as can be, only CSS and region code. The compression is a bit high, but not anything that can't be dealt with. Jaffo and camyaj report a strange reading when opening the region 2 version of Spidey. I've asked them to post the media info window from AnyDVD, if they have it, or a similar log showing the copy protection. No reply so far. Jaffo said all that was needed was to use the deep analysis and uncheck a few unneeded audio and subpicture selections. That indicates the only problem is compression, if Jaffo didn't use other software to bypass copy protection. I asked, but no reply yet.
If region 2 is anything like region 1, Spidey 3 won't need DVDFab HD Decrypter to work in Shrink. I have no doubt about DVDFab successfully ripping the DVD. Seems in addition to the large main movie the region 2 has an abundance of extra languages. The English should be the same as region 1, unless some copy protection was added. I'm interested to see your input on this one.
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camyaj
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5. November 2007 @ 13:32 |
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Pacman I cannot run it with any dvd off as shrink comes up with the dvd invalid thing. Ill have another go towards the weekend and let you know the results
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5. November 2007 @ 14:24 |
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Sorry to butt in here, but I would suggest just as creaky has. Rip the DVD with DVDFabDecrypter to your hard drive and then process with DVD Shrink. I am thinking this will work. Make sure AnyDVD is off for the whole process. I just butted in here because I was thinking exactly what creaky had suggested and didnt see this recommendation anywhere else in this thread.
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5. November 2007 @ 14:30 |
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Hi again. Sorry but I don't have the original media available now (it was a backup I did for my brother so he has the discs now).
Quick run thru of what happened if it's any use...
Usually do a backup by running AnyDVD (6.1.9.3) then putting the movie through Shrink (on auto compression) but when I loaded up Spidey 3 I got that 98.8% problem and couldn't alter the compression or anything so I put it through CloneDVD2 (2.9.1.2) and that did it no problem but I wasn't happy with the quality so I ripped it to HD with DVD decrypter so my bro could take his disc back and I could try again the next day.
Next day, searching for clues, stumbled upon this thread with some similar probs and ended up running the deep analysis (had never run it on it's own before, always during a reauthoring run) which on completion had sorted out the 98.8% and returned a proper figure to fit on DVD5.
Can't remember the copy protections but if I get chance I'll get hold of the original disc again and find out.
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PacMan777
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5. November 2007 @ 20:34 |
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Jaffo
Thanks for the help. Maybe someone in Region 2 who owns Spidey 3 and a copy of AnyDVD will see this and post the AnyDVD info page.
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