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article published on 29 January, 2008
After the dissapointment of being outsold by Blu-ray players more than 10:1 a week earlier, HD DVD standalone player sales rebounded for the week ending January 19, 2008 to comprise around 1/3 of all Next-Gen DVD players sold.
Ross Rubin, analyst for the NPD Group attributes both Blu-ray's recent advantage and HD DVD's apparent resurgence to price rather than any consumer mandate. ?Both ... [ read the full article ]
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Originally posted by varikelo:
OK, players sales are strong... but where is Universal?? and Paramount?? They're not doing their part. They need to incentive player sales with big titles...
Too bad Spielberg supports BD :P
too bad he sucks now too :P
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This is a big pointing finger to how ignorant the the american public is or i guess the public in gerenal is as consumers. Hd-dvd is the better buy hands down on all accounts be it hardware or software. Blu-ray by far has the better studios and companies backing them however if we as consumers would have only stuck it out with the cheaper and equal in quality to blu-ray (cough hd-dvd cough) format then we wouldnt have been stuck with the slim selection. the big wigs would have went where the money. Thus we all would have won out getting the selction and great price all on one format and shutting out the arrogant overpriced sony format. the only people who have any right to buy blu-ray products are people who own a ps3 cause they already have the player and rich folks.Sony was smart in this case they know how bad videogame fanboys are and that them alone could win this war.be it kids swaying there parents to get them movies for their ps3, or teenagers who own ps3 buying the movies themselves. either way you cut it sony gaming fans are the most reliable in the business and so the sheep did their joba nd in the process screwed the rest of us. For me im waiting til the war is all the way over, its almost there but im still waiting.HAs anyone seen the ali vs foreman fight???
point in case to touch on what some of you have said it is almost pointless to have a collection of anything. how much replay value do dvds have. you spend say 12 bucks on average which a guess at saying their 20 bucks new and then some people are 5 dolalr bin dvd hunters. anyway math aside you probably will watch the movie 2 times and max which is cheaper than the theatre but still then you have 500 movies that the more you get the bigger your stand must become hence you have to shell out more money for movies your already done with but since your getting new ones and keeping the old ones you need the space. and at the rate things are becoming oblelete it is idiotic to shell out money. the time between new high end tech releasing is way too short. 1080p is supposed to be future proof but anyone who visits this site knows that wont be the case.i could rant and rave as could anybody could do but it wouldnt change anything now would it. lets just keep money in their pockets and none in ours, thats the consumers way. always has been always will be. im off to buy a 1 liter cold coke thats priced higher than a2 liter bottle of the same stuff but its not cold and to come home and put ice in it is crazy so later ladies and gents.
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Originally posted by Globe08:
HAs anyone seen the ali vs foreman fight???
The Rumble in The Jungle!!
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Originally posted by Globe08:
This is a big pointing finger to how ignorant the the american public is or i guess the public in gerenal is as consumers. Hd-dvd is the better buy hands down on all accounts be it hardware or software. Blu-ray by far has the better studios and companies backing them however if we as consumers would have only stuck it out with the cheaper and equal in quality to blu-ray (cough hd-dvd cough) format then we wouldnt have been stuck with the slim selection. the big wigs would have went where the money. Thus we all would have won out getting the selction and great price all on one format and shutting out the arrogant overpriced sony format. the only people who have any right to buy blu-ray products are people who own a ps3 cause they already have the player and rich folks.Sony was smart in this case they know how bad videogame fanboys are and that them alone could win this war.be it kids swaying there parents to get them movies for their ps3, or teenagers who own ps3 buying the movies themselves. either way you cut it sony gaming fans are the most reliable in the business and so the sheep did their joba nd in the process screwed the rest of us. For me im waiting til the war is all the way over, its almost there but im still waiting.HAs anyone seen the ali vs foreman fight???
You do realize BR had most of Asia from the start?
I will agree with you HDVD is the better all around format but they have not played a strong enough game so far.
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*edit* dup
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Originally posted by NexGen76:
Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
Fox doesn't do a great job with their encodes. MPEG2? I think I'll upconvert until they get it right
Codec has nothing to do with how the PQ outcome is.Its depend on how they do the transfer.There are movies that are better on Mpeg2 codec than Mpeg4 or VC-1.Plus Fox hasn't used a Mpeg2 codec in a while.In my opinion i think LionGate does the best transfers & they use mpeg2 codec most of the time & i haven't seen a HD movie on either format that looked better than Crank which was Mpeg2 & earn high reviews for PQ.
@ sk8flawzz
mostly all sony's blu-ray releases pre november 2007 were in mpeg2.
@next
both vc-1 and mpeg4 are far superior and capable of far greater quality than mpeg2. mpeg2 is being used as there is little point in transferring a none HD film to the new formats and saving them mega bucks in the process for a re-branded dvd!
both formats suck and are pointless, because of HDCP you have to invest in all new equipment or your picture and sound are blocked.
ppl just, stick to up-scaling dvd's until the studios force the Hi-Def uptake by not releasing titles to dvd then just download them if HDCP is still being used, but seems the MPAA pulled ranks to quash HD-DvD because of it having less DRM and no region coding, i wouldn't hold your breath on the anti consumer DRM still being use, if sony, disney and fox have anything to do with it expect pay per viewing and a whole host more anti consumer hoops to jump through to watch your media.
No new format is cheap and it always costs more and always sucks for the early adopter HDCP will be cracked and recracked like any protection they try and do so meh...alth the best advice give it till 011 before you buy in other wise you are just wasting your money.
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Originally posted by Globe08:
This is a big pointing finger to how ignorant the the american public is or i guess the public in gerenal is as consumers. Hd-dvd is the better buy hands down on all accounts be it hardware or software. Blu-ray by far has the better studios and companies backing them however if we as consumers would have only stuck it out with the cheaper and equal in quality to blu-ray (cough hd-dvd cough) format then we wouldnt have been stuck with the slim selection. the big wigs would have went where the money. Thus we all would have won out getting the selction and great price all on one format and shutting out the arrogant overpriced sony format. the only people who have any right to buy blu-ray products are people who own a ps3 cause they already have the player and rich folks.Sony was smart in this case they know how bad videogame fanboys are and that them alone could win this war.be it kids swaying there parents to get them movies for their ps3, or teenagers who own ps3 buying the movies themselves. either way you cut it sony gaming fans are the most reliable in the business and so the sheep did their joba nd in the process screwed the rest of us. For me im waiting til the war is all the way over, its almost there but im still waiting.HAs anyone seen the ali vs foreman fight???
You do realize BR had most of Asia from the start?
I will agree with you HDVD is the better all around format but they have not played a strong enough game so far.
no honestly i didnt know that but i dont find that it matter is my point.americans on the whole arent like other nationalites where they remain loyal to there races prodcut. it may be because american make shitty products...who knows. my point is and let me factor what youve said about asia... from the beggining hd-dvd is the better buy all around and yet right out the gates its been getting its ass kicked.people are ignorant running out to buy the more expensive format all for what becasue it had the better selection at the time. that would have changed had we been smart about it,we werent they(sony and company) were end game.
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*edit* duplicate sry
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*edit* duplicate oops sry.
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the point is you don't know your point is....
race has lil todo with it, BR just managed to get thier product out and make the deals to mkae it a mianstream format, HD DVD didnot accomplish this thus is aloss least so far.
Also HDVD has adopted region coding with the 51GB HDVD disc making it and BR indistinguishable from each other.
Nobrains
MPEG2 HAS BEN DISCONTINUED AS A CODEC FOR BR...oy vay....you act like they have not upgraded to the better codecs....
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How did you manage a triple post lol. Ok i wont say much about this thread but its always the story over and over so, my view is they are dumping their stock on this player and thats the fact of the matter. People love a bargain even if its not something thats going to hold much value later.
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Originally posted by NexGen76:
Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
Fox doesn't do a great job with their encodes. MPEG2? I think I'll upconvert until they get it right
Codec has nothing to do with how the PQ outcome is.Its depend on how they do the transfer.There are movies that are better on Mpeg2 codec than Mpeg4 or VC-1.Plus Fox hasn't used a Mpeg2 codec in a while.In my opinion i think LionGate does the best transfers & they use mpeg2 codec most of the time & i haven't seen a HD movie on either format that looked better than Crank which was Mpeg2 & earn high reviews for PQ.
@ sk8flawzz
mostly all sony's blu-ray releases pre november 2007 were in mpeg2.
@nextgen
both vc-1 and mpeg4 are far superior and capable of far greater quality than mpeg2. mpeg2 is being used as there is little point in transferring a none HD film to the new formats and saving them mega bucks in the process for a re-branded dvd!
both formats suck and are pointless, because of HDCP you have to invest in all new equipment or your picture and sound are blocked.
ppl just, stick to up-scaling dvd's until the studios force the Hi-Def uptake by not releasing titles to dvd then just download them if HDCP is still being used, but seems the MPAA pulled ranks to quash HD-DvD because of it having less DRM and no region coding, i wouldn't hold your breath on the anti consumer DRM still being use, if sony, disney and fox have anything to do with it expect pay per viewing and a whole host more anti consumer hoops to jump through to watch your media.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Also HDVD has adopted region coding with the 51GB HDVD disc making it and BR indistinguishable from each other.
Nobrains
MPEG2 HAS BEN DISCONTINUED AS A CODEC FOR BR...oy vay....you act like they have not upgraded to the better codecs....
@ ZippyDSM
i did say pre november 2007 but you are incorrect as this inferior codec is still in use, and it should have NEVER been used for any Hi-Def releases, also to correct you blu-ray has an extra level of DRM called BD+ that gives the studios the right to run any code on our hardware to combat piracy this is not on HD-DvD and never will be used on HD-DvD discs, and this is also the reason Fox held back releasing films until this Blu-Ray only anti consumer DRM was finalised.
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Me, Myself & Irene (Blu-ray)
20th Century Fox | 2000 | 116 mins | Rated R | Feb 05, 2008
Video
Video codec: MPEG-2
Video resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 1.85:1
Audio
English: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
French: Dolby Digital 5.1
Subtitles
English SDH, English, French, Spanish
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25GB Blu-ray Disc
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cache/browser glitch?
I left a browser reload plug in running once....oy spamed out 10 comments in another forum LOL.
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More news, "Sonic's Scenarist now Blu-ray, digital distribution format only"
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/30/son...on-format-only/
Regardless if hardware sales jumpup before the dude at the morgue
declares that the dead body ain't really gonna sit back up
and talk again, software developers are jumping overboard also.
Aside from future use for data storage format, I don't care;
just want the one to survive that has the largest storage capacity.
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Originally posted by ken9771:
More news, "Sonic's Scenarist now Blu-ray, digital distribution format only"
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/30/son...on-format-only/
Regardless if hardware sales jumpup before the dude at the morgue
declares that the dead body ain't really gonna sit back up
and talk again, software developers are jumping overboard also.
Aside from future use for data storage format, I don't care;
just want the one to survive that has the largest storage capacity.
the diffrance is a measly 25GB if BR can make the 3 layer discs stable.
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30. January 2008 @ 16:17 |
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the diffrance is a measly 25GB if BR can make the 3 layer discs stable
Somewhere on net I saw a figure of 200 Gb possible for BR.
The higher capacity, will always be more than HD-DVD
because the data layers are closer to the surface,
that's why the protective coating is used on the BR media.
Regardless, which ever survives the step up in capacity between
regular DVBD's and either of these will be ok for now.
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?Both camps face really strong competition from standard DVD up-converting models, which inexpensively render [consumers?] massive DVD libraries well on their TVs,?
that's the real format war. neither hd format will have a real foothold until they can conquer the current standard.
Originally posted by Globe08:
...how much replay value do dvds have. you spend say 12 bucks on average which a guess at saying their 20 bucks new and then some people are 5 dolalr bin dvd hunters...
i've never paid more than $7.50US for a single dvd movie. consider both that i've never bought the upgraded extra disc edition and that i didn't start actually buying dvd's until around '05 or so (too expensive.) keep in mind that's around the same time blockbuster and such places managed to stopped renting vhs. it's no coincidence that it was also around '04 that everyone i knew finally started buying dvd players.
3-4 years ago dvd finally took a definitive hold over the market.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
...the best advice give it till 011 before you buy in other wise you are just wasting your money.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Globe08
the point is you don't know your point is....
race has lil todo with it, BR just managed to get thier product out and make the deals to mkae it a mianstream format, HD DVD didnot accomplish this thus is aloss least so far.
Also HDVD has adopted region coding with the 51GB HDVD disc making it and BR indistinguishable from each other.
Nobrains
MPEG2 HAS BEN DISCONTINUED AS A CODEC FOR BR...oy vay....you act like they have not upgraded to the better codecs....
if you say so, if that makes you feel more educated about spending more for the same product than so be it im not in a position to tell you how to save money or anything of that nature. did sony do a better pr job??of course they used it to market their "game console" so right off the bat a millions knew of it.its ignorant to approach it in the way you do.better is better no marketing scheme will convince me other wise. the smart way to approach an item such as this is to wait til the price comes down if your not going to pick the cheaper equal comes down. its a product attemptimg to become the standard so prices will and have already dropped. No need to rush out and buy a old ass movie claiming to be upscaled to 1080p anyway.only the newer movies attain 1080p quality IMO that is anyway. gooday sir.
and snowlock i think even you know your in the minority on the price per dvd paid dont you? its a steal for you no doubt but for the mass public they dont take the time to search or evaluate the best price. which is part of the point i so painstakingly was trying to make to zippy is that us consumers are all sheep. even going to the point of defending the big wigs over themselves...
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Originally posted by Globe08:
No need to rush out and buy a old ass movie claiming to be upscaled to 1080p anyway...and snowlock i think even you know your in the minority on the price per dvd paid dont you? its a steal for you no doubt...
i'll give you that it's possible i'm in the minority, but to me it's no bargain. that's just all a single dvd movie is worth. if i can buy a movie that won five oscars for $7.50 (one of my favorites too,) then i'm not paying any more than that for any movie.
that, however, isn't my point. i was pretty much agreeing with you that it's far too expensive for the average consumer to adopt this new tech. also that the industry started the hype and the releases way too soon; considering how, as i said, dvd's just took over about 4 years ago.
also, i said the same thing. "hd didn't exist in 1991!! how the hell is terminator 2 on blu-ray!?!!?!!!!1one"
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Originally posted by snowlock:
Originally posted by Globe08:
No need to rush out and buy a old ass movie claiming to be upscaled to 1080p anyway...and snowlock i think even you know your in the minority on the price per dvd paid dont you? its a steal for you no doubt...
i'll give you that it's possible i'm in the minority, but to me it's no bargain. that's just all a single dvd movie is worth. if i can buy a movie that won five oscars for $7.50 (one of my favorites too,) then i'm not paying any more than that for any movie.
that, however, isn't my point. i was pretty much agreeing with you that it's far too expensive for the average consumer to adopt this new tech. also that the industry started the hype and the releases way too soon; considering how, as i said, dvd's just took over about 4 years ago.
also, i said the same thing. "hd didn't exist in 1991!! how the hell is terminator 2 on blu-ray!?!!?!!!!1one"
Movie film can capture quality even better than HD, most of it is downscaled, due to conversion and stuff. So even if it was filmed in 1991, if they still have the film in good condition, then they can transfer it into a disc and make it in HD.
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Originally posted by Globe08:
Originally posted by zippy:
Also HDVD has adopted region coding with the 51GB HDVD disc making it and BR indistinguishable from each other.
Nobrains
MPEG2 HAS BEN DISCONTINUED AS A CODEC FOR BR...oy vay....you act like they have not upgraded to the better codecs....
if you say so, if that makes you feel more educated about spending more for the same product than so be it im not in a position to tell you how to save money or anything of that nature. did sony do a better pr job??
he is wrong as mpeg2 is still in use check out my previous post with the blu-ray site showing mpeg2. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/621636#3757996
and blu-ray has an extra layer of DRM BD+, fox refused to release any titles to HD-DvD and were backing DRM-Ray from the start, as were Disney and Sony, all the PRO DRM anti consumer MPAA members.
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Originally posted by nobrainer:
both vc-1 and mpeg4 are far superior and capable of far greater quality than mpeg2.
It has been proven time and again that MPEG2 encoded titles can look mighty darn good especially if the source or master is in decent shape and the encoder is comfortable with the codec and knows exactly what he's doing.
The Picture Quality scores for these MPEG2 encoded titles are 5 out of 5 or 4.5 out of 5 (Source - highdefdigest.com). They compare favorably to other titles encoded in AVC or VC1 in either format.
Dreamgirls
The Covenant
Big Fish
Black Rain
Catch & Release
Crank
Enemy of the State
A Few Good Men
Flyboys
The Devil Wears Prada
Kingdom of Heaven: The Director's Cut
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Layer Cake
Men of Honor
Pathfinder
Phone Booth
Stealth
Tears of the Sun
Windtalkers
etc.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/reviews_video.html
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The Nielsen Videoscan numbers for the week ending January 27, 2008:
BluRay 82%
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