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HD DVD player sales bounce back
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article published on 29 January, 2008
After the dissapointment of being outsold by Blu-ray players more than 10:1 a week earlier, HD DVD standalone player sales rebounded for the week ending January 19, 2008 to comprise around 1/3 of all Next-Gen DVD players sold.
Ross Rubin, analyst for the NPD Group attributes both Blu-ray's recent advantage and HD DVD's apparent resurgence to price rather than any consumer mandate. ?Both ... [ read the full article ]
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29. January 2008 @ 22:42 |
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Denial is not just a river in Egypt?
As big a booster of HD DVD as I was, they'd have to come up with a miracle to pull this out.
Instead, they waste money on Super Bowl ads.
*sigh*
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29. January 2008 @ 22:46 |
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Are the CC 'clearance' prices rumors or has anyone confirmed them?
If so, I wonder how the numbers will look.. hmm..
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29. January 2008 @ 22:55 |
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HD DVD is still a better format, period! So what if Blu-ray wins out, I am happy with my affordable collection of HD DVDs and actually look forward to finding some great deals. You Blu-ray fanboys make it sound like HD DVD isn't 1080p anymore. I will continue to build my collection as long as I can get the titles for rock bottom prices and it will still serve it's purpose, which is to DISPLAY HD CONTENT on my 42" Plasma, period! HD supporters, go out and find youself some great deals like I just did, Bourne Identity and Bourne Supremacy HD DVD for $24.99 at Best Buy, great!!! Yes, I will buy a PS3 soon enough to also buy Blu-Ray as well, but we all know that HD DVD is the better format. Enjoy the bargains and stock up on that HD collection at affordable prices and don't worry about the Blu-Ray crowd poking fun at us, they are just upset that they can't get the same great deals on players like we have.As long as I can view HD content from my HD collection on my 42" Plasma, it ain't dead!
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29. January 2008 @ 22:59 |
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Originally posted by jrosado5:
HD DVD is still a better format, period! So what if Blu-ray wins out, I am happy with my affordable collection of HD DVDs and actually look forward to finding some great deals. You Blu-ray fanboys make it sound like HD DVD isn't 1080p anymore. I will continue to build my collection as long as I can get the titles for rock bottom prices and it will still serve it's purpose, which is to DISPLAY HD CONTENT on my 42" Plasma, period! HD supporters, go out and find youself some great deals like I just did, Bourne Identity and Bourne Supremacy HD DVD for $24.99 at Best Buy, great!!! Yes, I will buy a PS3 soon enough to also buy Blu-Ray as well, but we all know that HD DVD is the better format. Enjoy the bargains and stock up on that HD collection at affordable prices and don't worry about the Blu-Ray crowd poking fun at us, they are just upset that they can't get the same great deals on players like we have.
IF HD DVD goes away I too am looking forward to building a huge HD DVD disc collection AND stocking up on players, I might double dip and buy my SD DVD on HD DVD if it gets cheap enough, then sell all my DVD's to help pay for a BD player!!
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29. January 2008 @ 23:48 |
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i hope HD DVD's get cheaper and also blu ray i'ma do the same and stock up since i have both formats i'll definitely enjoy the best of both worlds....who said its bad to see both sides fighting with each other....hope to see real low prices on both if not only HD DVD....
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30. January 2008 @ 02:10 |
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the format war is not over..but it is only a few battles from ending I say it should end by mid/late 09 even early 010.
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Gehnma
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30. January 2008 @ 02:55 |
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Why build up the HD-DVD collection? I know why, so later on when its a dead format, you can whine all over these boards and complain how you put sooo much money into it and now you have nothing... Have a little insight, and don't waste your cash, blu-ray movies are VERY affordable at online retailers, Ive never payed over $20 at the most for any blu-ray film. Saying the HD-DVD media is a bargin compared to Blu-ray is rediculous, they are pretty much the same in most retail stores, do the math.
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30. January 2008 @ 03:23 |
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Originally posted by Gehnma:
Why build up the HD-DVD collection? I know why, so later on when its a dead format, you can whine all over these boards and complain how you put sooo much money into it and now you have nothing... Have a little insight, and don't waste your cash, blu-ray movies are VERY affordable at online retailers, Ive never payed over $20 at the most for any blu-ray film. Saying the HD-DVD media is a bargin compared to Blu-ray is rediculous, they are pretty much the same in most retail stores, do the math.
So my HD DVD discs are going to explode or something when I put them into my HD DVD player? I know the situation right now, and I would only build up my collection to the extreme I mentioned IF HD DVD was to become a dead format, now why would I complain about it then?
Blu-ray movies may be the same price, but with the cost of a player, I'd much rather buy HD DVD, there are a few BD exclusives I want, but Fox doesn't do a great job with their encodes. MPEG2? I think I'll upconvert until they get it right.
edit: The BD exclusives I want are all Fox, Die Hard 1-4, and Independence Day
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30. January 2008 @ 03:54 |
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Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
Fox doesn't do a great job with their encodes. MPEG2? I think I'll upconvert until they get it right
Codec has nothing to do with how the PQ outcome is.Its depend on how they do the transfer.There are movies that are better on Mpeg2 codec than Mpeg4 or VC-1.Plus Fox hasn't used a Mpeg2 codec in a while.In my opinion i think LionGate does the best transfers & they use mpeg2 codec most of the time & i haven't seen a HD movie on either format that looked better than Crank which was Mpeg2 & earn high reviews for PQ.
Also the Die hard series use Mpeg4 codec.I use Highdefdigest to check for reviews before i buy any HD movie & most of time they be spot on far as sound & PQ.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/
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domie
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30. January 2008 @ 04:13 |
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Can someone start an online petition to get afterdawn to stop printing these RSS News Releases every 5 minutes ? ( I mean favourable articles for either side - HD-DVD and Blu Ray.) ?
Nott rying to have a rant but it's getting incredibly monotonous, repetitive and tedious to see exactly the same story or a 1% spin variation on the same story day after day.
I think i've overdosed on HD Media News already this year :P
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30. January 2008 @ 07:46 |
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Originally posted by Gehnma:
Why build up the HD-DVD collection? I know why, so later on when its a dead format, you can whine all over these boards and complain how you put sooo much money into it and now you have nothing... Have a little insight, and don't waste your cash, blu-ray movies are VERY affordable at online retailers, Ive never payed over $20 at the most for any blu-ray film. Saying the HD-DVD media is a bargin compared to Blu-ray is rediculous, they are pretty much the same in most retail stores, do the math.
Why are my wasting my cash? Aren't I still getting a HD product that delivers an HD picture to my HD TV? Is there an expiration date on HD DVDs that I don't know about? So when standard DVDs become the dead format or say CDs, those are dying because of downloads, is everyone going to whine about it? NO! We'll just keep our collection just like my parents kept their LP's (which are making a comeback). It is only a waste of money if you don't get a return on investment. Simple finance! You can argue that there is some lost on investment as far as HD DVD goes, but there is always risk! Had Warner gone HD DVD exclusively, it would have been you Blu-Ray supporters getting slammed on internet blogs like the Red group is now. So when my HD movies expire, melt my TV, or put out dangerous radiation throughout my house, then I will say it was a waste of money.
As far as deals go, they have been pretty equal between the two formats, espeially in Amazon BOGO, but I am starting to see a trend of deals towards red. The PS3/Blu-Ray get 5 mail in rebate just expired or is about to and I don't see the retailers offering free in store Blu-Ray movies anymore, but the HD camp still does offer the rebate, along with 2 in the box. Of course that can change as well.
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Not trying to have a rant but it's getting incredibly monotonous, .....
....and in-&-out, and over-&-over-&-over, and up-&-down, and back-&-forth, and over-&-across, and Yin-&-For-Yang, and bla-bla-bla-bla .....
I'm getting seasick I think.
BLU - I'm better'n YOU!
HD - R Not! R Not! R Not!
BLU - Am 2! Am 2!
HD - NOT!
BLU - AM!
HD - NOT!
BLU - AM!
HD - I'm gonna tell your mother on you!
BLU - I'm Bigger.
HD - I'm Better.
BLU - I'm Cheaper.
HD - I sell more players.
BLU - I sell more discs.
HD - I look better in leotards.
BLU - Eat My Shorts !!!!!
HD - "Mommy! Mommy! Mommy!
MOM - "Now children, don't fight! You just wait till your father gets home!"
(Please pass me the Bromo-Seltzer, ok?) :-)
You want REAL Hi-Def without the hoopla? Get one of these things:
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Instead, they waste money on Super Bowl ads.
Yeah, that *IS* amazing, eh? $30 Million US for a 30-second Ad-Spot. That's one-million-dollars-per-second on my calculator.
Kinda makes you wonder... if only they had spent that kind of money on a Single Unified Format, how much better we'd all be off right now. [shrug].
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30. January 2008 @ 08:14 |
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Yeah, that *IS* amazing, eh? $30 Million US for a 30-second Ad-Spot. That's one-million-dollars-per-second on my calculator.
$3 million
And yes people do need to grow up and lighten up a bit though, it's only a disc format.
And what's a superbowl? ;-)
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30. January 2008 @ 08:46 |
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Not trying to have a rant but it's getting incredibly monotonous, .....
....and in-&-out, and over-&-over-&-over, and up-&-down, and back-&-forth, and over-&-across, and Yin-&-For-Yang, and bla-bla-bla-bla .....
I'm getting seasick I think.
BLU - I'm better'n YOU!
HD - R Not! R Not! R Not!
BLU - Am 2! Am 2!
HD - NOT!
BLU - AM!
HD - NOT!
BLU - AM!
HD - I'm gonna tell your mother on you!
BLU - I'm Bigger.
HD - I'm Better.
BLU - I'm Cheaper.
HD - I sell more players.
BLU - I sell more discs.
HD - I look better in leotards.
BLU - Eat My Shorts !!!!!
HD - "Mommy! Mommy! Mommy!
MOM - "Now children, don't fight! You just wait till your father gets home!"
(Please pass me the Bromo-Seltzer, ok?) :-)
You want REAL Hi-Def without the hoopla? Get one of these things:
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Instead, they waste money on Super Bowl ads.
Yeah, that *IS* amazing, eh? $30 Million US for a 30-second Ad-Spot. That's one-million-dollars-per-second on my calculator.
Kinda makes you wonder... if only they had spent that kind of money on a Single Unified Format, how much better we'd all be off right now. [shrug].
Sorry buddy, but this is an area for comments! To comment on a topic of interest to everyone is the purpose of message boards. Second, if it's ying for yang, then you have a choice. You din't have to read the article or the board comments. You made the choice. Third, it is $2.7 million for a 30 second ad, not $30 million. Fourth, I do like the HD Viewmaster, great idea! Let's just hope Sony doesn't give them $500 million like they did Warner and make DRM infested Viewmaster slides that don't have a finalized format such as 1.1, 1.3 or 2.0. SAVE THE VIEWMASTER! SAVE THE VIEWMASTER! SAVE THE VIEWMASTER!
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30. January 2008 @ 10:24 |
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Of course they "bounced back"; what would you expect to happen
as a result of stores dumping their stock.
Figures were for the week ending January 19th.
We should see higher sales numbers this week as more stores have
been dropping prices recently.
Question is, will the stores restock?
Same thing happened with Beta, I remember a neighbor picking up
a Beta unit for I think 40 bucks during the last days.
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30. January 2008 @ 10:35 |
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Originally posted by Gehnma:
Why build up the HD-DVD collection? I know why, so later on when its a dead format, you can whine all over these boards and complain how you put sooo much money into it and now you have nothing... Have a little insight, and don't waste your cash, blu-ray movies are VERY affordable at online retailers, Ive never payed over $20 at the most for any blu-ray film. Saying the HD-DVD media is a bargin compared to Blu-ray is rediculous, they are pretty much the same in most retail stores, do the math.
According to the above quote, humans should never buy anything related to technology. Since technology is always improving, no matter what you buy you're wasting your money because something better will come along and replace it. I guess everyone should quit buying BlueRay movies as well, because in 10 years, we'll have holographic movies.
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$3 million
Right you are, unicus. :)
Ok, so let's see..... (um), well, that's a bargain (I guess) at a mere one-hundred-thousand-dollars-per-second! WOW, what an advertising steal !!
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And what's a superbowl?
A super-opportunity to super-advertise a format that may or may not be super-extinct by this time next year. (I wonder what these things will go for at back-yard sales?)
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30. January 2008 @ 11:21 |
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According to the above quote, humans should never buy anything related to technology. Since technology is always improving, no matter what you buy you're wasting your money because something better will come along and replace it. I guess everyone should quit buying BlueRay movies as well, because in 10 years, we'll have holographic movies.
That doesn't make any sense, because based on this logic if you wait
a little longer "holographic movies" will be replaced by something
like in the movie Total Recall, the "virtual holiday machine".
You will be "in the movie".
I bet when that machine first hits the market it will arrive in
two different formats also!
How many of you guys are gonna be arguing in that format war!
Bottom line, what ever is avaiable, buy what you can afford that
matches your current "needs".
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30. January 2008 @ 11:22 |
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Good Morning, jrosado5!
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Sorry buddy, but this is an area for comments! To comment on a topic of interest to everyone is the purpose of message boards. Second, if it's ying for yang, then you have a choice.
Hard day at the office yesterday, jrosado5? Indigestion, maybe? Having a "bad-hair" day or something?
(Maybe bought into a format you wished you hadn't?) - Just a thought.
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...this is an area for comments!
NO! Go 'way wit'ya! (Really?) Did you figure this out all by yourself, or did you have some help?
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To comment on a topic of interest to everyone is the purpose of message boards.
Oh, I see! (Gee, thanks - I must jot that down for future reference, in case I forgets). [scribble, scribble] WHAT would I do without you ??? ;-)
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Third, it is $2.7 million for a 30 second ad, not $30 million.
Point is, my friend, $100,000-per-second advertising, which would have been completely unnecessary if the greedy conglomerates could have pooled their resources into a single format, is still a mind-boggling figure (even on a calculator with weak batteries) for a format that may not be around tommorrow.
I hope these comments meet with your criteria and the general interest of the topic.
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30. January 2008 @ 11:33 |
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So what if.. and it is a what if.. M$ decide to throw a few billions at the studios to keep hd.. That would stir things up a little eh?
I'm with you domie.. Enough is enough. Let it go on for a couple more days and I will start one for you.. how's that?
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30. January 2008 @ 11:40 |
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Lol.
Nice response A_Klingon. :)
I've been watching this thread all morning patiently waiting your response to jrosado.
Lol.
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Varnull, Domie, ...i'm in too.
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Originally posted by domie:
Can someone start an online petition to get afterdawn to stop printing these RSS News Releases every 5 minutes ? ( I mean favourable articles for either side - HD-DVD and Blu Ray.) ?
Nott rying to have a rant but it's getting incredibly monotonous, repetitive and tedious to see exactly the same story or a 1% spin variation on the same story day after day.
I think i've overdosed on HD Media News already this year :P
Ok, sounds good to me, but then where would one go to get their fill of hilarious threads, filled with nonstop action from both camps arguing? Oh wait, just about every other website with HD related news.
:0)
Anyone have any actual numbers on the results of this?
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the percentage figures still only translate into 8639 HD DVD units and 16,496 Blu-ray units, during the week ended 19 January, according to NPD numbers cited by website The Digital Bits
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I am surprised how many people here support blu-ray. I'd say a large number of us are into backing up our discs. BD is more anti-consumer than HD-DVD. I guess you guys also don't value your privacy. Your player needs to be internet connected. Every action you do can be recorded and sent back to the mothership. I refuse to play this game.
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According to the above quote, humans should never buy anything related to technology. Since technology is always improving, no matter what you buy you're wasting your money because something better will come along and replace it. I guess everyone should quit buying BlueRay movies as well, because in 10 years, we'll have holographic movies.
That doesn't make any sense, because based on this logic if you wait
a little longer "holographic movies" will be replaced by something
like in the movie Total Recall, the "virtual holiday machine".
You will be "in the movie".
I bet when that machine first hits the market it will arrive in
two different formats also!
How many of you guys are gonna be arguing in that format war!
Bottom line, what ever is avaiable, buy what you can afford that
matches your current "needs".
I think that's exactly what I was referring to. I responded to a quote that suggested people shouldn't start a collection of HD DVD movies because they're going to be obsolete. My response to him was that by using his logic, we would never start a collection of any kind of technology, because sooner or later it will all be obsolete. I didn't state that I agreed with him. I have lots of technology that I know will be replaced with newer technology in the future. Obviously, I thought that it was worth my money for the use that I will receive from that item. It's the same reason that I buy certain movies. If I think I will watch it several times, then it's worth my money to buy as opposed to renting it. In the end, it's really up to each person. Who has the right to tell someone else how to spend his/her money? Of course, that won't stop others from offering advice or opinions, but that's human nature.
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OK, players sales are strong... but where is Universal?? and Paramount?? They're not doing their part. They need to incentive player sales with big titles...
Too bad Spielberg supports BD :P
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