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Fox to cut prices on Blu-ray catalog
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article published on 13 March, 2008
Fox has announced that it will be the first major studio to have extensive price cuts on its HD movie catalog by discounting 22 of its best selling Blu-ray titles.
The price cut, which began yesterday, will see those 22 select films drop in MSRP by $10 USD each from $39.98 to $29.98 USD. However, the titles have been available for some time now on Amazon and other retailers for much ... [ read the full article ]
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14. March 2008 @ 11:14 |
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Originally posted by xblade132:
The price of today's technology is rather expensive, meaning expensive products. So I don't really understand all the constant complaining and whining about how everything is so expensive, technology wise.
Everybody wants a to make a profit, not lose money.
Agreed. New technology is always very expensive to start with. That is how it works. Wasn't SD DVD technology expensive when it first started too? Yes, it was and as the technology became widely adopted and more efficent to produce, the price went down.
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Yea they want to make money. But at 200%,300%,400% profit what kind of world are we coming too? Where corporations and the fat cat executives get even fatter.
Do you have proof of this? Also, this "kind of world" has existed for a long time now. Why wouldn't want to make as much money off of something as you could? That is business 101: Negotiation. If someone is willing to pay a higher price, why lower the price?
If you don't want to pay a certain amount for something, wait a while, the price will go down or don't buy it at all. An excellent example of this: Computer parts. CPUs are seriously expensive when they first come out, wait a few months and it is 100s of dollars cheaper. This business practice isn't anything new and it won't change, I guarantee it.
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14. March 2008 @ 11:16 |
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If you think upscaled SD DVD looks as good as true HD in whatever form (e.g. HDDVD, BluRay, HD Broadcast) you need to either get glasses or new lenses for your glasses. And the "Super Upconversion", as stated in the video, is only to make old footage look closer to HD. With prices like $30-40 per disk these things will go the way of the laser disc, quick.
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14. March 2008 @ 12:03 |
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Originally posted by 7thsinger:
All the movies on that list of lowered prices, i either already own on SD DVD or just plain don't want in the first place.
Thanks much FOX.
I hope you don't own The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen :P
Too much $$$ still. I won't pay over $15 for a bluray movie, and $10 for a SD movie, which is why I buy used anyway and don't own any bluray titles yet.
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14. March 2008 @ 12:03 |
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.....and you can easily tell the Blu-ray gang are seriously scared...
I don't think so. 'They' Won. For Now.
Besides, I'm just waiting this one out for a while, while the dust settles. If I think it's appropriate for ME, I'll get it, IF the price suits me. If not, I'll find something else.
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14. March 2008 @ 12:07 |
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Super-Upconversion is an interesting concept.
It will obviously be compared to the best Realta based upconverters out there. The cheapest Realta based Denon is about $850.
The Toshiba prototypes are based on a modified Cell processor.
If they can make a machine that does a better job than the Realta players AND if they can make this Cell-based player cost less than the $850 Denon then I would be interested.
It would also be interesting if they incorporated this technology to their Regza line of flat panels.
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14. March 2008 @ 12:41 |
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Originally posted by emugamer:
Originally posted by 7thsinger:
All the movies on that list of lowered prices, i either already own on SD DVD or just plain don't want in the first place.
Thanks much FOX.
I hope you don't own The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen :P
Lol...No. No thanks. I watched it once. That was enough.
I also tend to stick with used movies from a variety of different places. I've got a nifty little shop here close that sells used video games/movies/cd's and a pretty decent price, i pretty get it there or Amazon.
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14. March 2008 @ 12:43 |
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Originally posted by TSRSteve:
If you think upscaled SD DVD looks as good as true HD in whatever form (e.g. HDDVD, BluRay, HD Broadcast) you need to either get glasses or new lenses for your glasses.
- I have never said this and I don't know anyone else who has.
I have seen people say that upscaling can look very very good and close to high def.
{hmmm, maybe I ought to scratch that, it might be more accurate to say that compared to the first cr@ppy MPEG2 25gb Blu-ray encodes good upscaling genuinely could actually look better -
the original issue of 'The Fifth Element', anyone?
Or maybe 'House of the Flying Daggers'
LMAO!)
I have also seen a hell of a lot of people saying that compared to what you get the price of high def is not worth it.
That is nothing like the same thing as you have trued to say I have been saying.
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And the "Super Upconversion", as stated in the video, is only to make old footage look closer to HD.
- Er no. I don't think you have understood what Super upconversion is at all.
Super Upconversion is a means of gaining higher detail by multiple frame scans (just like every forensic lab the world over does with movie/video analysis).
There's nothing odd or magical about it, it's real & it works.
The only thing that is unusual about this is that thanks to the Cell processor it can be done in real-time by an SD DVD player in your front room.
Super Upconversion works with all regular SD DVD movie discs, that's the beauty of it.
No-one needs to change their existing video collections.
I can see it having a wide & enormous appeal (especially as it doesn't use any new names or media etc etc to frighten people off with) for anyone with a decent existing SD DVD collection.
The only differences in it's performance will be that the quality improvement & high def will be more pronounced with those SD DVD movies with a high bit-rate.
Originally posted by TSRSteve:
With prices like $30-40 per disk these things will go the way of the laser disc, quick.
- Like I said, I don't think you have understood this, super upconversion only uses regular SD DVD movie discs.
Not special or expensive new media.
Who is selling SD DVD discs @ $30 - $40?
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Super-Upconversion is an interesting concept.
It will obviously be compared to the best Realta based upconverters out there. The cheapest Realta based Denon is about $850.
- I don't think you're comparing like with like.
Upscaling (no matter how expensive the chipset) is not the same as this form of upconversion.
Upscaling does not scan 'x' number of previous and 'x' number of coming video frames to enhance the detail within a single displayed frame of video.
......and the Realta (nor any of the rest of the higher end uopscaling chips) will never be produced by the multi-zillion like the Cell is now sure to be.
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Originally posted by hughjars:
Upscaling (no matter how expensive the chipset) is not the same as this form of upconversion.
It doesn't matter how they "guess" the additional pixels. The end result is still the same: a higher resolution video from a 480i/p source. Some players just do it better than others.
Mark my word: the AV reviewers out there will compare the performance of Toshiba's SUC to the currently available crop of DVD upconverters.
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Originally posted by eatsushi:
It doesn't matter how they "guess" the additional pixels. The end result is still the same: a higher resolution video from a 480i/p source. Some players just do it better than others.
Mark my word: the AV reviewers out there will compare the performance of Toshiba's SUC to the currently available crop of DVD upconverters.
It's definitely possible that on a 720p HDTV that's less than 40 inches, there will be no discernible difference between a SUC player and a sub-$50 upconverter from Walmart. ;)
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Originally posted by eatsushi:
It doesn't matter how they "guess" the additional pixels. The end result is still the same: a higher resolution video from a 480i/p source. Some players just do it better than others.
- Super Upconversion has nothing to do with "guessing" - unlike the much less sophisticated upscaling tech.
It's about the extraction and combining of additional real detail that is present in the preceding and following frames.
There's nothing "guessing" about it......like I said, it's real, it works and it's been done in forensic labs for decades.
Originally posted by eatsushi:
Mark my word: the AV reviewers out there will compare the performance of Toshiba's SUC to the currently available crop of DVD upconverters.
- ....yeah and the moment it's seen to be as markedly superior as it is
(see the video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI&feature=related )
it will quickly get compared to real high def, which is what it is.
The Blu-ray gang can have their fun with this but they are the ones now sitting on a format going nowhere but further up the PS3 niche.
With a little luck and some (for a change) decent advertising Super Upconversion will just cement SD DVD into an even more dominant position in the market
(and good riddance to the over-priced, DRM-ridden & closed mess that is Blu-ray and the intent behind it. :P )
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Originally posted by hughjars:
- ....yeah and the moment it's seen to be as markedly superior as it is
(see the video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI&feature=related )
it will quickly get compared to real high def, which is what it is.
The Blu-ray gang can have their fun with this but they are the ones now sitting on a format going nowhere but further up the PS3 niche.
With a little luck and some (for a change) decent advertising Super Upconversion will just cement SD DVD into an even more dominant position in the market
(and good riddance to the over-priced, DRM-ridden & closed mess that is Blu-ray and the intent behind it. :P )
After toshiba, you droped HD-DVD too.
And what? You are a SD-DVD supporter now?
What i see is that you could even say that VHS is better than BD and Atari better than PS3.You just dont like Sony.
You proved to be wrong in every word about HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray war and now you are saying that SD-DVD upconversion is better than BD? lolx9
Let me ask you something....
Super upconverters are better than HD-DVD?
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Yea they want to make money. But at 200%,300%,400% profit what kind of world are we coming too? Where corporations and the fat cat executives get even fatter.
Haha, when has this ever not been the case in America's 250+ year history? The world you don't want to come has been here. The world not like that never existed in the first place.
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14. March 2008 @ 16:36 |
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And to support that hughjars, I really do scratch my head when I see a movie like Star Wars or the Untouchables on HBOHD or one of the other HD movie channels. How exactly do take an older movie, made during a period where Hi-Fi was the rage (and not HD) and magically shill it to me for 3 times what I can buy it for on DVD?
That's where my argument lies with upconversion, because I feel the older movies (the ones MPAA wants us to rebuy again and again on different mediums) don't gain anything by just being on Blu-Ray, versus watching an upconverted DVD version.
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
Originally posted by hughjars:
- ....yeah and the moment it's seen to be as markedly superior as it is
(see the video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI&feature=related )
it will quickly get compared to real high def, which is what it is.
The Blu-ray gang can have their fun with this but they are the ones now sitting on a format going nowhere but further up the PS3 niche.
With a little luck and some (for a change) decent advertising Super Upconversion will just cement SD DVD into an even more dominant position in the market
(and good riddance to the over-priced, DRM-ridden & closed mess that is Blu-ray and the intent behind it. :P )
After toshiba, you droped HD-DVD too.
And what? You are a SD-DVD supporter now?
What i see is that you could even say that VHS is better than BD and Atari better than PS3.You just dont like Sony.
You proved to be wrong in every word about HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray war and now you are saying that SD-DVD upconversion is better than BD? lolx9
Let me ask you something....
Super upconverters are better than HD-DVD?
Hugh had all of the same intentions that Toshiba had about HD-DVD, and that ship sailed when Warner jumped exclusively to Blu-Ray, forcing Toshiba to cancel CES and then HD-DVD altogether.
Some of us take things way too personal, it's not like we own the corporations we constantly critique with a fine tooth comb.
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ahhh how i love forums and peanuts. im glad to see FOX announce a price drop on a selection of their movies, surely this action will become the norm over the next few months. i expect other studios to do the same.
i guess this will never end. i think its fair to say for every blu or HDM thread that appears on AD there is always going to be the arguments about SUC and SD DVD. seems silly but w/e.
i often wonder why some REDboys argue for SD DVD, saying they won't go BLU because SD DVD is "good enough" for their HD movie needs. so it seems logical to ask or even wonder why the FARK they invested in HD-DVD to begin with. i mean they already said SD DVD is good enough and the visual difference between HD-DVD and BLU is MIA, so really what is it? one might think of Price? well, that is EXTREMELY unlikely because this group of people invested EARLY into the HDM game, so they paid TOP DOLLAR for their PLAYERS. sure PRICE may have been a factor in the early going of things but that can't really be said any longer as one can pick up a BRplayer today for a much lower price than what they initially paid for HD-DVD.
I could argue about medium prices and how blu-ray was often cheaper but I don?t feel as if I have to. The reason why HD-DVD movies were a few bucks more than Blu-ray is irrelevant, and most informative people understand what I am referring to. The fact remains the same, often times the more expensive player had the better BOGOS and cheaper movies. Sad isn?t it?
hey i got a great idea why not piss away another 100 BUCKS on a "BACKUP" HD-DVD player. im sorry but if you think along those lines and have the disposable cash to simply waste a 100 bucks on a ?BACK UP? (something that is going to sit in a box), well clearly, price is not an issue. Haha ?backup? player. Some seem so confident about their HD-DVD player that I would also wonder why they would even want a backup if they are so confident. Buying a backup and upconverter are two different cases. Don?t mistake that.
May be people won?t go blu, well I guess its more purple than anything because they can?t play backups. Sure that seems plausible but just how many HD-DVD backups do most owners have? Hmmm, I do wonder.
Then there is the ongoing cry about 2.0, but then again I really don?t see too much interactivity with SDdvds, so really why all the fuss? Its all about the MOVIE right? Or do you lust for the added features? Doubt it. said arguments are contradictions and often from the silly hippocrates that infest the forum.
Consider this case, I went out and spent 3k on my sony xbr4 tv. Now having spent that much money it would seem logical that I would then be able to afford a 500 dollar or 700 dollar HD player. I mean if can?t fork up a few hundred dollars, what purpose do I have spending 3k on a tv?
Now for me to get the most out of my INVESTMENT (if you will) and really anyone else who has HDTV, it seems LOGICAL and RATIONAL for me to go BLU,RED,Purple. Why the hell would I settle for ?upconverting.? Do you think I really would be getting the most out of my purchase? I sure as hell don?t. surely one can apply similar logic to any HDTV purchase over say the $1200 mark.
I can understand some people?s feelings toward price and benefit, but only from those who haven?t already invested in the HD formats or someone who bought a HD-DVD player for its upconversion ability. take what i say with a grain of salt oh wait, i wasn't constantly proven wrong. i'll never forget "WAIT FOR CES" just wait. hahaha. assclown
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14. March 2008 @ 18:40 |
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Originally posted by SProdigy:
Hugh had all of the same intentions that Toshiba had about HD-DVD, and that ship sailed when Warner jumped exclusively to Blu-Ray, forcing Toshiba to cancel CES and then HD-DVD altogether.
Some of us take things way too personal, it's not like we own the corporations we constantly critique with a fine tooth comb.
But that doesn't make SD upscaling better than BD.
As hade said, if you have a full HD 1080p TV & a BD player you wont buy the SD version of [ex] F4 Silver Surfer, you'll buy the BD version.
In my opinion the greatest issue about HD vs SD is the TV's not the players.
Anyone can buy a BD player, but the TV is the expensive one, and there are many people that they don't even know what HD/BD etc is at all, they just see the Tag with the price.
In my opinion till everyone replace there SDTV's with HDTV's,
SD-DVD's will continue outsell BD.
And thats not a BD/Sony issue, same thing if Toshiba/HD-DVD had won the war.
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But that doesn't make SD upscaling better than BD.
As hade said, if you have a full HD 1080p TV & a BD player you wont buy the SD version of [ex] F4 Silver Surfer, you'll buy the BD version.
In my opinion the greatest issue about HD vs SD is the TV's not the players.
Anyone can buy a BD player, but the TV is the expensive one, and there are many people that they don't even know what HD/BD etc is at all, they just see the Tag with the price.
In my opinion till everyone replace there SDTV's with HDTV's,
SD-DVD's will continue outsell BD.
And thats not a BD/Sony issue, same thing if Toshiba/HD-DVD had won the war.
going along your line of logic about the tvs being the issue makes it fair for me to say that BR demand will be increasing. HDTV demand is increasing not decreasing. i don't believe that even HALF of the US has HDTV in their home. given that every HDTV purhcase opens the door for BR as stores surely will be pushing the product with every sale, i only see BR sales as going up. why would someone invest in blu-ray who doesn't have an HDTV? you got me so the complement shared between TV and Player will help boost BR.
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But that doesn't make SD upscaling better than BD.
As hade said, if you have a full HD 1080p TV & a BD player you wont buy the SD version of [ex] F4 Silver Surfer, you'll buy the BD version.
In my opinion the greatest issue about HD vs SD is the TV's not the players.
Anyone can buy a BD player, but the TV is the expensive one, and there are many people that they don't even know what HD/BD etc is at all, they just see the Tag with the price.
In my opinion till everyone replace there SDTV's with HDTV's,
SD-DVD's will continue outsell BD.
And thats not a BD/Sony issue, same thing if Toshiba/HD-DVD had won the war.
going along your line of logic about the tvs being the issue makes it fair for me to say that BR demand will be increasing. HDTV demand is increasing not decreasing. i don't believe that even HALF of the US has HDTV in their home. given that every HDTV purhcase opens the door for BR as stores surely will be pushing the product with every sale, i only see BR sales as going up. why would someone invest in blu-ray who doesn't have an HDTV? you got me so the complement shared between TV and Player will help boost BR.
Try to explain that to people that they think that cause the new HD media is BD=Sony is the problem that HD sales are poor.
They don't understand that HD-DVD would have the same fate.
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
After toshiba, you droped HD-DVD too.
- Actually my HD DVD collection has grown pretty well since the decision to stop HD DVD was announced.
I'm getting my high def now.
I am not gambling on those movies ever appearing on BD (or taking an age to appear on BD).
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
And what? You are a SD-DVD supporter now?
- Do you have problems in not seeing the world in simplistic black & white 'either/or' terms?
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
You proved to be wrong in every word about HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray war
- Well it's true that things turned out differently to what I had expected and was led to expect.
That's life kiddo.
No-one is ever right 100% of the time.
But the loss of HD DVD does not suddenly make Blu-ray 'OK'.
Blu-ray remains an over-priced, limited, DRM-crammed and dumb closed concept.
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and now you are saying that SD-DVD upconversion is better than BD? lolx9
- Er, are you visually impaired?
This is what I actually said -
I have seen people say that upscaling can look very very good and close to high def.
(hmmm, maybe I ought to scratch that, it might be more accurate to say that compared to the first cr@ppy MPEG2 25gb Blu-ray encodes good upscaling genuinely could actually look better -
the original issue of 'The Fifth Element', anyone?
Or maybe 'House of the Flying Daggers'
LMAO!)
If you would do me the courtesy of sticking to what I actually said it might be better, eh?
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
Let me ask you something....
Super upconverters are better than HD-DVD?
- They might be, or they might be equal or they might be fractionally behind HD DVD, at this point who can say for sure?
But from the look of that demo video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI&feature=related
it looks extremely impressive.
.....it's so impressive in fact that the Blu-ray goons have already spammed the net to try to choke up Google with their idiotic stupidity to obstruct anyone looking to find out more about it
(such a give-away).
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But that doesn't make SD upscaling better than BD.
- Well as I keep saying this is your own invention.
I have yet to see anyone seriously say it is "better" - excepting perhaps when compared to those laughably poor initial Blu-ray releases.
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
As hade said, if you have a full HD 1080p TV & a BD player you wont buy the SD version of [ex] F4 Silver Surfer, you'll buy the BD version.
- Nope.
I'd either find the German HD DVD release of it or a rip or an encode (or if it was one I really liked and wanted I'd buy the SD version and enjoy it upscaled on my HD A/EP35.....which does an excellent job at upscaling btw).
What I would be doing above all would be avoiding the Blu-ray option all together.
I know you just don't get this but that's your problem.
Some of us will not touch Blu-ray players or retail movie media with a barge-pole.
It is a design specifically intended to remove 'power' from the owning consumer and place it in the hands of the producer/studios.
No thanks.
I like my high def but I won't have it at any price.
.....and it's not even as if there aren't umteen other high quality sources available for it (without all the Blu-ray BS) anyways.
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I've been following this site for a while. It is actually the first site I check each morning. However, I finally had to sign up just to post this:
LMAO!
HD-DVD lost, Blu-Ray won. End of story. I've seen "some" people post more crud (including opinion as fact) about upscaled SD-DVD, VOD, and every other "D" you can think of being better than Blu-Ray. People...give it up. This has nothing to do with one being better....some people just have extremely sour grapes.
Ya know....last time I checked, my PS3 upscales also...
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Originally posted by hughjars:
- Er, are you visually impaired?
This is what I actually said -
I have seen people say that upscaling can look very very good and close to high def.
and i've seen people on tv say they saw ELVIS buying groceries last week...wtf is your point? hmmm i bet those are the same people who told you about that....well lets not go down memory lane.
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wow thats awesome, but hey heres an idea, lets all go out and purchase some HD-DVDS...your logic is OUTSTANDING.
its a shame people spend thousands on a tv yet they won't allow themselves the ability to fully enjoy the capacity of HD. all because of some delusional prejudice towards a company.
although a family oriented movie i must say CARS looks simply AMAZING on Blu-ray and my XBR4. the realism, picture and colors are fantastic. SDDVD simply can't and won't live up to that kind of quality.
really, why would some people settle for anything less? oh wait a min, these are the same people who went with HD-DVD in the first place. HAHA
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This thread is about price cuts on Fox's Blu-Ray catalog not the continued arguments of why everything other than BR is superior.
Hughjars, everyone knows your stance and I'm tired of seeing you (and a few others) in the middle of these debates. Give it a rest, if you don't intend on buying the movies in this format then you shouldn't be posting in this thread.
For everyone....the essay length posts quoting and nit-picking of every detail of how your $hit smells better than the next guys is going to stop.
Grow up guys and gals and go watch all those movies you are snatching up in whatever format you prefer.
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Intelligence does not shine in this thread, thats for sure. Someone announces price reductions for BD movie line-up and you start complaining?
- If you are satisfied with DVD's and happy with upscalers, then what the hell are you whining about? Enjoy your movies and STFU
- If you have a HD DVD, then go ahead and capitalize on the cheap HD DVD closeout deals - it will be good bang for your buck, and the player is a decent DVD player as well. So STFU, and feast on the corpse of HD DVD
- If you have a PS3 or other Blu-ray player, then this is a good sign towards main streaming the format. It's new technology and initially the production costs are sky high compared to DVDs, but the price will eventually go down as the economics of scale start to kick in.
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Originally posted by hughjars:
......and you can easily tell the Blu-ray gang are seriously scared sh!teless about this one as they have flooded the net with disinformation about it already for anyone trying to Google the subject).
To be honest, I really couldn't care if Blu-ray does eventually die. It is inevitable that it will happen one day. When that day comes I will source my 1080p from whatever replaces it... Or 4320p, if that's what replaces it!... ? LOL! :-P
As I said on another thread, I am a HD addict! I don't care where it comes from. I just want it! It's like driving a sports car and then having to settle for a regular family car... It just doesn't quite feel the same.
I already have an up-convert DVD player (Samsung HD870) to play my 500+ regular DVD collection. I am very happy with the picture it gives from my SD DVD's. Hughjars, you are right that an up-convert DVD player is great and it definitely brings out the best in regular DVD's.
However, up-conversion just doesn't quite give the brilliance in visual and audio reproduction that Blu-ray provides (and HD-DVD did). People with high end equipment will agree with me that they simply want the very best. Why settle for something that may be as good... When you can be guaranteed that with Blu-ray?
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Originally posted by hade:
wtf is your point?
- The point is, as if you didn't know, that I did not say what has been claimed.
Originally posted by hade:
its a shame people spend thousands on a tv yet they won't allow themselves the ability to fully enjoy the capacity of HD.
- Yeah, cos Blu-ray is the only means of getting high def?!
LMAO.
Originally posted by hade:
all because of some delusional prejudice towards a company.
- Hardly.
Originally posted by LOCOENG:
This thread is about price cuts on Fox's Blu-Ray catalog not the continued arguments of why everything other than BR is superior.
- ....and that's exactly what I 1st came in and started posting about.
Originally posted by LOCOENG:
Hughjars, everyone knows your stance and I'm tired of seeing you (and a few others) in the middle of these debates.
- Oh, ok.
Then you're saying that I shouldn't post what I consider correct & pertinent points and if people wish to debate the issues with me I'll ought not to bother, cos you've seen/heard it all before?
That doesn't seem a better way to run a vibrant open debate forum to me.
(and the reason I tend to quote and respond point by point is not for the silly reason you just gave, it's just so that people - sometimes several people in the one post - can easily see which point I've addressed as I do them the courtesy of answering their own comments fully.)
Originally posted by Ryu77:
Hughjars, you are right that an up-convert DVD player is great and it definitely brings out the best in regular DVD's.
- You're not referring to the same thing.
The current upscaling DVD players (including the HD DVD & Blu-ray upscaling) is not the same as this 'Super Upconversion'.
It's kind of along the same lines but much less sophisticated, upscaling cannot find & add real detail.
Obviously it can change resolution and it will try to 'fill in the blanks' with likely colour & textures from the surrounding coulours & textures.
Super Upconversion on the otherhand scans 'x' number of preceding frames and 'x' number of coming frames to detect, extract and add real, true and actual detail to the frame being shown.
LIke I said forensic labs have been using it for decades, it doesn't guess anything or invent anything. It's very real and it absolutely works.
The really amazing thing is that it's getting so cheap to put in your DVD player and the chipset is so fast as to be able to do it in real-time.
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