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article published on 13 March, 2008
Fox has announced that it will be the first major studio to have extensive price cuts on its HD movie catalog by discounting 22 of its best selling Blu-ray titles.
The price cut, which began yesterday, will see those 22 select films drop in MSRP by $10 USD each from $39.98 to $29.98 USD. However, the titles have been available for some time now on Amazon and other retailers for much ... [ read the full article ]
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This is the reason i don't post that much anymore in BD or HD-DVD news treads because no matter what the truth is some people always trying to come up with a bunch of Bull ish..first HD-DVD,Then Upscaled DVD's,Then Blu-Ray torrents,Then Digital Downloads,Now Super up convert DVD players.When is this going to end? so people that enjoy BD can come to a tread & talk about Blu-Ray without being attacked about how it is a niche market or copy protection.
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hughjars, I completely understand the concept behind this player. I have seen the technology that Forensic Scientists use. Surely you can see that I have the intelligence to grasp this concept.
However, it still doesn't eliminate the "maybe" factor that Blu-ray "guarantees".
I don't know what to say hughjars, I tried to post in the most open way possible. I mentioned that I am not really fussed if Blu-ray dies one day (as I said, it is inevitable). I also stated that HD-DVD offered the same quality Blu-ray does. I am not the enemy here... I, like almost everybody else here is just passionate about innovative technology. At least I am open minded enough to accept change and embrace it.
More to the point, what does all this Super Up-conversion have to do with this thread?
The title of this thread is called "Fox to cut prices on Blu-ray catalog". Can we discuss this in peace please?
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Ryu77 if you don't like or want to discuss what I've said no-one is making you, you know?
If you don't think BD+ and all the rest of those DRM, profile & cost issues are relevant to Fox Blu-ray releases (Fox being the only studio, so far, making much use of BD+ for now) then fine, you ignore that if you like, no-one is forcing you to do a thing.
Others have taken a different view, have been discussing it and do think it's relevant to a thread about Fox releases
(and all without too much idiocy too).
Different POVs, keeps it interesting & helps to make the world go around, eh?
.....and I think you'll find that you yourself are not exactly innocent when it comes to discussing the related issues even if they are a little off-topic to the starting point of the thread, hmmmm?
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hughjars, there is a big difference between attacking and defending... I'm going to leave it at that.
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I haven't attacked anyone.
If you can find personal attacking comments in my posts then go ahead and prove me wrong.
....and Nextgen76 can pretend to be the little hurt innocent too if s/he likes but there was a little incident a while back where s/he moaned about my posts and I backed off completely.
What did s/he do?
S/he came in acting like a one-man one-eyed PR campaign for Blu-ray.
It seems to me it's just like a game for the pro-Blu-ray gang: anyone that dares counter the Blu-ray PR gets complained about for 'attacking' the pro-Blu-ray posters.
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The current upscaling DVD players (including the HD DVD & Blu-ray upscaling) is not the same as this 'Super Upconversion'.
It's kind of along the same lines but much less sophisticated, upscaling cannot find & add real detail.
Super Upconversion does not find & add real detail. Upscaling uses a single frame, expands it and extrapolates the gaps. The fact that Super Upconversion tries to improve the extrapolation by analyzing more frames, does not mean that is can "find and add real detail". It is simply a more complex way of doing the extrapolation.
The source resolution is the limiting factor and there is no way around it. You can zoom the crap out of it, and do it better or worse, but there is no way around the source resolution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMoFQI5TTzY
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Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
Super Upconversion does not find & add real detail.
- Er, yes it does, as has been conclusively proved by every forensic lab that ever examined and enhanced any film they ever worked on.
Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
The fact that Super Upconversion tries to improve the extrapolation by analyzing more frames, does not mean that is can "find and add real detail". It is simply a more complex way of doing the extrapolation.
- No it isn't, you're plain wrong about this and would seem to be badly misinformed about what Super Upconversion is; it is not just a slightly better version of upscaling
(tho even there you're on shakey ground, considering so many people already do not agree that high def is worth the premium over current upscaled SD DVD).
It is absolutely about identifying & finding the details present in other frames preceding or coming after the shown frame to combine them into the original shown frame to give real & genuine additional detail.
I don't know why you guys are so hostile to this it is a fact of life and has been done for decades in video analysis.
(other than it undermining your day-dreams of your beloved Blu-ray/PS3 ruling the earth)
Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
The source resolution is the limiting factor and there is no way around it.
- Actually resolution is the easiest part to alter and it is not the same as using multiple frames to extract the maximum detail.
Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
You can zoom the crap out of it, and do it better or worse, but there is no way around the source resolution.
- .....and that "zooming" has nothing to do with identifying and combining the details present in several frames onto those single frames being shown at any one time.
Police forces and video labs all over the world prove you wrong.
Instead of posting a link to the stupid (mis)interpretation of what it's about (and boy weren't they quick to get that out to misinform people.....another clear giveaway) you ought to just stick to the truth and link to the one that at least talks about the reality, not the idiotic invented half-understood disinformation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI&feature=related
We'll all be seeing soon enough.
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Originally posted by PantherM:
I am Legend (With alternate Ending)
Blu-Ray
$18.95
Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...KX0DER&v=glance
I guess that would be a price cut on a new movie.....right?
It's not a Fox title but $18.95 for a BluRay new release is simply too good to pass up.
I pre-ordered this together with Bonnie and Clyde and Digital Video Essentials.
Thanks for the heads up.
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Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
- .... So shut the (fudge) up, and feast on the corpse of HD DVD.
Hmmmmmm.....buzzzzzzzz...Yummy!.... Schrlurp! Ummmmmm.... goooood!
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... :-D
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Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
[b]Intelligence does not shine in this thread, thats for sure... Enjoy your movies and shut the edited up.
So shut the edited up, and feast on the corpse of HD DVD.
I will not tolerate cursing in my articles, especially from members with as many posts as you have. Refrain from doing so, first and only warning.
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Originally posted by PantherM:
I am Legend (With alternate Ending)
Blu-Ray
$18.95
Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...KX0DER&v=glance
I guess that would be a price cut on a new movie.....right?
It's not a Fox title but $18.95 for a BluRay new release is simply too good to pass up.
I pre-ordered this together with Bonnie and Clyde and Digital Video Essentials.
Thanks for the heads up.
Thats a good find because i just got No Country For Old Men yesterday from Amazon for 23.95 plus shipping was 26 & some change.But i will pre-order I Am Legend right now for that price you can't beat it.
No Country For Old Men (Blu-ray)Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002...ay%29&x=20&y=25
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OK, I can play your game...
Originally posted by hughjars:
- Oh, ok.
Then you're saying that I shouldn't post what I consider correct & pertinent points and if people wish to debate the issues with me I'll ought not to bother, cos you've seen/heard it all before?
You've missed the point in it's entirety. Your initial post in this topic was an obvious bait attempt to start this "debate" and it worked. Just as you took their bait in the threads where you rightfully defended your prefered format.
Originally posted by hughjars:
That doesn't seem a better way to run a vibrant open debate forum to me.
This is a tech forum, not a debate forum. The way I see it you came here armed and ready for a fight and you found it, but this isn't what the news threads are for.
Originally posted by hughjars:
Originally posted by LOCOENG:
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- ....and that's exactly what I 1st came in and started posting about.
So where are we now after your initial post....
Originally posted by hughjars:
Roll up, roll up, get your over-priced DRM'd to the hilt BD+ Blu-ray BS here, suckers.
...what exactly were you expecting after your initial post, a game of tiddlywinks?
There has been a zero tolerance for flame wars in the format wars news articles for a long time and I think this was a deliberate attempt to draw others into a flame.
Originally posted by hughjars:
Too many people do not think the premium is worth it compared to upscaled SD DVD
(and if that new Super Upconversion tech lives up to it's promises of low cost and high quality then that may well be the next big thing as it works so well with 100% SD DVD - that kind of appeal to everyone;'s existing SD DVD collection is not going to be over-looked lightly if it comes in as a low cost technology performing as well as it promises -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5...related
Then you take the entire thread off topic....which again, the bait was taken. So know we have one page discussing the price reductions and two pages discussing SUC vs BR.
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Intelligence does not shine in this thread, thats for sure. Someone announces price reductions for BD movie line-up and you start complaining?
- If you are satisfied with DVD's and happy with upscalers, then what the hell are you whining about? Enjoy your movies and STFU
- If you have a HD DVD, then go ahead and capitalize on the cheap HD DVD closeout deals - it will be good bang for your buck, and the player is a decent DVD player as well. So STFU, and feast on the corpse of HD DVD
- If you have a PS3 or other Blu-ray player, then this is a good sign towards main streaming the format. It's new technology and initially the production costs are sky high compared to DVDs, but the price will eventually go down as the economics of scale start to kick in.
Amen, but we need to tone down the language...post edited.
Originally posted by Ryu77:
The title of this thread is called "Fox to cut prices on Blu-ray catalog". Can we discuss this in peace please?
...and your response to an attempt to get the thread back on topic...
Originally posted by hughjars:
Ryu77 if you don't like or want to discuss what I've said no-one is making you, you know?
Here's the thing...you see, you don't make the rules here and neither do I. They are there in black and white and from my viewpoint they are pretty clear, easy to understand and straight forward and every single person who has signed up as a member to this site has agreed to abide by them upon creating their account. The rules are set forth and the mods at AD have been given the task of making sure the members follow the rules. These rules are bent, broken, overlooked, and completely swept under the rug in certain cases. In the end there is still a decision to be made as to how far they are stretched and I'm making that decision now. You don't have to like it, but you do have to follow the guidelines set forth if you wish to continue to be a member here...this is not directed at anyone in particular, but rather everyone.
So here is the score....taken from the rules:
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I encourage everyone to use this feature, it still works in the news threads too. If it's not used and the back and forth continues then really both/all parties involved are in violation of #6 and #14.
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I am Legend (With alternate Ending)
Blu-Ray
$18.95
Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...=glance
i happen to buy most movies through amazon as they are usually ATLEAST 30% off if not MORE. one can even pick up NT BookofSecrets for 23.95. certainly nice prices all around i think. surfing around i just came across I am legend at overstock.com for 18.95. for those interested enough in HD, the best deals are online, you just have to find them. there are BOGOS, 10$ off, x% off all the time...
Originally posted by hughjars:
- Yeah, cos Blu-ray is the only means of getting high def?!
LMAO.
hugh ole buddy ole pal, i am honestly curious how you obtain movies such as POT, Cars, Simpsons, DieHard, and even the Spiderman trilogy in High Def? whether you enjoy or prefer these movies is beyond the point, as you probably know where im going with this. I ask because when i walk into BB,CC, walmart or even go over the border to FutureShop i only see these movies available in HIGH DEF on BLU-RAY. so apparently BLU-RAY is the only means at obtaining HIGH DEF to a certain DEGREE and thus as i already said, there are a minority of REDconsumers out there who are limiting their HD experience. and naturally if you say through your cable or satellite provider then i too would wonder why you invested in HD-DVD if that was/is already sufficient. then again you wouldn't even own a physical copy and wheres the fun in that. catch22..??
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Neph here backing up my man LOCO 100%.
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Okay, I am sorry, but I will continue pulling this reply thread further off-topic. Some things just need to be set straight regarding SUC or Super Resolution. It is a a good upscaling method, but it can't do magic and certainly wont replace true HD. Such methods may be useful on very large TV:s, but on the other hand high-end TVs tend to have good scalers built in, like Faroudja's for an example.
Here is an excellent comparison by a software company that develops video enhancement software.
http://www.thedeemon.com/articles/video_...comparison.html
Move your mouse around the chart and look at the sample frames. Read the PNSR values for different scale methods and learn. From that excellent demo we can see that while Super Resolution is the better method for scaling, the difference to bicubic resample is less than stellar. Also worth noting is that SUC devices are supposed to do this is real time, so the algorithms need to be pretty damn fast, so I doubt that the analysis are as thorought as in offline video editing.
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Originally posted by LOCOENG:
Your initial post in this topic was an obvious bait attempt to start this "debate" and it worked.
- Well I'm not trying to be deliberately argumentitive here or irritate or annoy but it wasn't.
It was just poking a bit of fun at Nextgen76 (we have a bit of history for this kind of thing) and at the Fox issues, BD+ & Blu-ray.
It was A_Klingons comment to me that provoked the Super Upconversion stuff and the discussion rolled on from there.
....and cd-rw.org a article about upscaling which doesn't even mention Super Upconversion proves nothing.
Anyways, I'd have thought you'd have been making all sorts of amazed & impressed comments about the power of the Cell.....or does that only apply when it's in a Sony product?
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Originally posted by LOCOENG:
Your initial post in this topic was an obvious bait attempt to start this "debate" and it worked.
- Actually it wasn't.
It was poking a bit of fun at Nextgen76 (we have a bit of history for this kind of thing) and at Fox, BD+ & Blu-ray.
It was A_Klingons comment to me that provoked the Super Upconversion stuff and the discussion rolled on from there.
Thats the reason why i didn't reply to his comment because i know where it was going to lead to.You have a history of this i don't i may disagree with you but i don't attack or insult other members here period.Or ask Binkie7 she knows me better than any member knows me here.
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Originally posted by nextgen76:
i may disagree with you but i don't attack or insult other members here period.
- ....and whilst I may disagree (sometimes very strongly) I have never made a personal attack on you on these boards.
Nor (unlike you and some others) have I ever rolled in and started asking mods for people to be banned or suspended either. :P
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What part of keep it on topic don't you people understand? The next post that isn't 100% about the topic is gone.
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hughjars, lightning struck!!! whose next as there is now 4 mods involved in this thread?
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Originally posted by ddp:
hughjars, lightning struck!!! whose next as there is now 4 mods involved in this thread?
Actually it was 5 moderators and 1 staff member... A_Klingon, LOCOENG, Nephilim, creaky, ddp and DVDBack23... Wow! All I can say is, it's about time... Thank you!
Now hopefully we can discuss Blu-ray related articles with freedom that will allow open discussion. I much rather have discussions about development and forward thinking in this format. If people want to talk about Blu-ray's DRM, let's talk about ways to circumvent it on a different thread, like this one... http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346.
This is what AfterDawn was created for in the first place.
Mods, I hope you don't mind me posting that link here. I am trying to encourage a positive viewpoint towards all this Blu-ray DRM mayhem. Taking action is always better than complaining.
Back to topic, can anybody confirm if these savings will be available in Australia?
Here's a nice Blu-ray price list from EzyDVD for anybody in Australia... http://www.ezydvd.com.au/mech/search.zml...or=&la=&su=&ob=
I am Legend is showing as $42.83 AUD, so it seems that we didn't get the discount as PantherM ($35.99 reduced to $18.95 USD) mentioned.
EDIT: I just realised (as juankerr also mentioned) that I am Legend is not a fox title.
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Actually it was 5 moderators and 1 staff member
Yeah, and one ex-admin too =). It's kinda sad and is seen on many websites. The Sony anti-fanclub will take every opportunity to bash Sony/Blu-ray, attacking on every goddamn news post and discussion thread.
Anyway back on topic. Gradual price reductions is the way to go. I see that stand-alone players are now around the ~$350 price point, and will sink to $199 eventually. Blu-ray seems to be giving a good push to PlayStation 3, which is really gaining momentum now as it's more advanced technology offering is starting to open up for people (see article: here & here).
I hope and I have a feeling that the Blu-ray camp will push it aggressively towards main stream, instead of capitalizing on their monopoly. And they should too, as download based solutions are other more advance distribution mediums are evolving rapidly.
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