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24. March 2008 @ 18:32 |
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Is there a way to convert .h264 files to .avc or .bsf so I can use them with Sonic Scenarist?
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24. March 2008 @ 18:52 |
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Originally posted by odin24: Is there a way to convert .h264 files to .avc or .bsf so I can use them with Sonic Scenarist?
I'm sorry Odin. I know you asked this same question via PM. I have been busy with other things.
You need to load them up into the MUI Generator. When you browse select "All (*.*)" and after your AVC clip has loaded select MPEG4-AVC from the drop down menu. I PM'd you the link to the full guide. The reason I have been holding off is I have been watching the development of tsMuxeR quite closely and it seems that srt subtitle import isn't far away! :-D
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27. March 2008 @ 04:42 |
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Added AVIAddXSubs into the above applications. This is needed to take advantage of the PS3's latest v2.20 firmware that now offers DivX with subtitles to be displayed. These files need to be in the DivX media format container (.divx) as opposed to the more traditional avi container. AVIAddXSubs makes this task very simple and easy.
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27. March 2008 @ 06:22 |
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Hi Ryu,
Many thanks for this useful thread as it's interesting reference.
I have got 2 quick questions for you:
1.) I have got .avi video (not sure if it is Xvid or just plain .avi) - is there a good software to identify my videos accurately, especially its encodec? Windows Explorer does a poor job of it. Do you know any good software that identify video's codec accurately?
2.) Anyway, as with same .avi video above, I have got soft sub (.srt subtitle). I don't have any problem of watching avi video with .srt subtitle on my PC.
I would like to see same thing on my PS3, but it doesn't work (as PS3 can't support .srt by the look of it).
I thought firmwire 2.20 can support soft sub??
Can you please advise me how to set up PS3 so I can watch .avi video with .srt video?
Many many thanks for your great helps! Sorry for any trouble!
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27. March 2008 @ 07:53 |
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Hello UKDude007, welcome to the thread. :-D
I just posted the application needed for this right above the post you just made. You will need to remux the avi into the DivX media format (.divx). AVIAddXSubs can do this very easily.
To identify the elementary streams within your avi, I would recommend MediaInfoRaw: http://www.mediafire.com/?5mxjsmuvjir
In the past I would have recommended Gspot but I feel this application is now a better choice.
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27. March 2008 @ 08:05 |
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Thanks for the info and link! you have been great help.
One more quick question.
Regarding PS3's latest firmwire, it says it can play back H264/MPEG-4 video.
I tried to playback two "One Piece" videos (which are MPEG-4 and H264) but it doesn't work as PS3 claims those are unsupported data type.
You are very knowledgeable about this stuff. I hope you might shred some light on this problem. Do you know why those are not work/playable on PS3 despite of latest firmwire?
I could post info about these video with MediaRawinfo but I'm at work. I'll post it tonight if you need it??
Many thanks! And sorry for trouble! :D
Cheers!
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27. March 2008 @ 08:22 |
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Originally posted by UKDude007: I could post info about these video with MediaRawinfo but I'm at work. I'll post it tonight if you need it??
Yes please.
Originally posted by UKDude007: Many thanks! And sorry for trouble! :D
No need to be sorry. This is exactly what AfterDawn was created for.
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27. March 2008 @ 19:25 |
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I exchanged DivXMuxGUI for AVIAddXSubs in the applications section as I felt it does a better job for the objective of creating HD DivX files with switchable subtitles. DivXMuxGUI created a subtitle stream at a resolution of 640 x 480. AVIAddXSubs allows for custom resolutions. AVIAddXSubs also allows more subtitle manipulation options (font, character set, position on screen etc.).
I also added MediaInfoRaw into the applications section. :-D
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30. March 2008 @ 00:21 |
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RYU thanks i showed this to a friend and they loved it:)
thanks bro i owe you
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30. March 2008 @ 21:17 |
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Originally posted by tripplite: RYU thanks i showed this to a friend and they loved it:)
thanks bro i owe you
No problem... Always happy to help out! :-D
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3. April 2008 @ 22:42 |
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Greetings to AfterDawn from Canada! First post here.
Ryu, great thread, this, and the other one on the PS3. Your work has been appreciated enough for me to sign up! Thank you!
However, there is very little mentioned about encoding SD resolution to blu-ray compliant streams (preferably in H.264).
I'm talking about a common-denominator blu-ray encoded stream, one that plays in (virtually) all BD players, not just something shoved into an MP4/AVI/VOB(or MKV/M2TS) and played on a PS3 (or PopcornHour, or whatever.)
The blu-ray spec does allow for H.264 in SD resolution. Since I have a stong interest in migrating/re-encoding/re-muxing my existing SD content to blu-ray (and compliant M2TS) I have a few contributions and questions to add.
Is this the place to ask, or would I be hijacking this thread? I can start another one if necessary.
Thanks again!
Geordie.
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4. April 2008 @ 01:11 |
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Originally posted by 00PuzZLeR: Greetings to AfterDawn from Canada! First post here.
Ryu, great thread, this, and the other one on the PS3. Your work has been appreciated enough for me to sign up! Thank you!
However, there is very little mentioned about encoding SD resolution to blu-ray compliant streams (preferably in H.264).
I'm talking about a common-denominator blu-ray encoded stream, one that plays in (virtually) all BD players, not just something shoved into an MP4/AVI/VOB(or MKV/M2TS) and played on a PS3 (or PopcornHour, or whatever.)
The blu-ray spec does allow for H.264 in SD resolution. Since I have a stong interest in migrating/re-encoding/re-muxing my existing SD content to blu-ray (and compliant M2TS) I have a few contributions and questions to add.
Is this the place to ask, or would I be hijacking this thread? I can start another one if necessary.
Thanks again!
Geordie.
So it seems that you want to keep it in SD but have it in a Blu-ray compliant format? However, you don't want it in MP4, AVI, VOB, MKV or M2TS. Can I ask, why?
I am almost certain that most stand alone Blu-ray players will have compatibility with some of the above formats, epecially M2TS as that is the container format used on Blu-ray discs anyway.
It's like comparing a DVD (.vob) to mpg media files. In DVD structure the vob must be 720 x 576@25fps (PAL) or 720 x 480@23.976/29.97fps (NTSC). However, if you have a mpg file burnt onto a data disc in most cases the DVD player can play these without a problem and they don't need to be as compliant. Now, it's important to note that vob files on a DVD are basically mpg media files with a wrapper to allow for menu navigation, multiple audio tracks, subtitles etc. The situation with Blu-ray and M2TS is very similar.
From what I understand Blu-ray or AVCHD can only work with 720p or 1080p, so SD is not possible inside this format.
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4. April 2008 @ 02:52 |
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Thanks for your reply Ryu.Quote: So it seems that you want to keep it in SD but have it in a Blu-ray compliant format? However, you don't want it in MP4, AVI, VOB, MKV or M2TS. Can I ask, why?
I guess my objective is fluid compatibility. MP4/MKV/AVI and non-BD-compliant M2TS files will need special hardware, or features or codecs installed (outside of the PC). Yet a blu-ray compliant M2TS will play on any player. This common-denominator compatibility is what I'm looking for.
As well, it's pointless to enlarge perfectly good SD content to HD rez. Too much encoding time and wasted extra space. Unless you have the true raw uncompressed source to encode to HD, there is little benefit, if any.
Quote: I am almost certain that most stand alone Blu-ray players will have compatibility with some of the above formats, epecially M2TS as that is the container format used on Blu-ray discs anyway.
I agree. However the key words were "am almost certain" and "most", which are not synonymous with "know for sure" and "all" respectively. Not to be a hard-head here, but wouldn't you rather have the peace of mind knowing that you can play a particular video stream anywhere?Quote: It's like comparing a DVD (.vob) to mpg media files. In DVD structure the vob must be 720 x 576@25fps (PAL) or 720 x 480@23.976/29.97fps (NTSC). However, if you have a mpg file burnt onto a data disc in most cases the DVD player can play these without a problem and they don't need to be as compliant. Now, it's important to note that vob files on a DVD are basically mpg media files with a wrapper to allow for menu navigation, multiple audio tracks, subtitles etc. The situation with Blu-ray and M2TS is very similar.
I personally don't have a BD player to test this on as I'm still up-in-arms over that or a PS3 (for my SD content), but what you're saying is that I can take BD compliant content, mux it into M2TS files, burn them (properly) to disc and they will play as raw files? Interesting. Gotta try this with .mpg on a DvD...Quote: From what I understand Blu-ray or AVCHD can only work with 720p or 1080p, so SD is not possible inside this format.
Are you sure about this? I keep hearing yes/no on this. It shows in the AVCHD site that it accepts 480, and so does Wikipedia, and others. I'm just miffed if it's only MPEG-2 streams only for DvD playback, hence my question to the thread. (However AVCHD is exclusively H.264.) Have you, using the MeGUI/x264 profiles for blu-ray, tried it personally with a rez of 720x480 (or 720x576 for Oz)? I'm curious if it will work as a regular playback disc on a stand-alone BD unit. (You may have to change sar=1:1 to something like sar=10:11 to avoid distortion.)
Thanks for reading.
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4. April 2008 @ 05:41 |
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Originally posted by 00PuzZLeR : I guess my objective is fluid compatibility. MP4/MKV/AVI and non-BD-compliant M2TS files will need special hardware, or features or codecs installed (outside of the PC). Yet a blu-ray compliant M2TS will play on any player. This common-denominator compatibility is what I'm looking for.
As well, it's pointless to enlarge perfectly good SD content to HD rez. Too much encoding time and wasted extra space. Unless you have the true raw uncompressed source to encode to HD, there is little benefit, if any.
Yes, but what is wrong with regular DVD authoring (mpeg2)? Or an alternative could be DivX as there are many DivX certified Blu-ray players hitting the market. The PS3 is also DivX HD compatible.
Originally posted by 00PuzZLeR : I agree. However the key words were "am almost certain" and "most", which are not synonymous with "know for sure" and "all" respectively. Not to be a hard-head here, but wouldn't you rather have the peace of mind knowing that you can play a particular video stream anywhere?
This is why I suggested regular DVD authoring.
Originally posted by 00PuzZLeR: I personally don't have a BD player to test this on as I'm still up-in-arms over that or a PS3 (for my SD content), but what you're saying is that I can take BD compliant content, mux it into M2TS files, burn them (properly) to disc and they will play as raw files? Interesting. Gotta try this with .mpg on a DvD...
I have tried this with .mpg media files on regular DVD players, which is why I mentioned it. DVD players can play .mpg media files burnt on a CD or DVD as a data disc. At this time not all Blu-ray players can play these M2TS (BDAV mpeg2 transport stream) files in the raw format. However, it's worth noting that it is still early days for the Blu-ray format. I am sure the future will see players with broader compatibility.
Originally posted by 00PuzZLeR: Are you sure about this? I keep hearing yes/no on this. It shows in the AVCHD site that it accepts 480, and so does Wikipedia, and others. I'm just miffed if it's only MPEG-2 streams only for DvD playback, hence my question to the thread. (However AVCHD is exclusively H.264.) Have you, using the MeGUI/x264 profiles for blu-ray, tried it personally with a rez of 720x480 (or 720x576 for Oz)? I'm curious if it will work as a regular playback disc on a stand-alone BD unit. (You may have to change sar=1:1 to something like sar=10:11 to avoid distortion.)
I am not 100% sure as I haven't tried this. One thing that is important to note is that AVCHD has it's own specifications. The discs I have created are basically Blu-ray discs on a DVD. The PS3 identifies it as an AVCHD disc but the content on that disc is actually beyond the AVCHD specifications and in line with the Blu-ray specifications. DTS audio is one of these attributes that AVCHD natively does not support but play perfectly on the PS3.
I have just looked into this and it seems that SD is fine in this format (AVCHD). The information I have gathered also states that most Blu-ray players can play AVCHD authored in the correct structure (as tsMuxeR outputs or any other Blu-ray/AVCHD authoring software). However, the compatibility of playing the raw AVCHD stream (M2TS) isn't as widely compatible. From what I can discern though, the PS3 isn't the only player that can play raw M2TS streams. It seems there are other stand alone Blu-ray players that can play these media files. I am sure with a bit of research it is possible to discover which players can do this. Two that are mentioned on Wikipedia with this compatibility are the Sony BDP-S1 and the Panasonic DMP-BD10. The rest I will leave up to you...
You could try browsing here for information on available Blu-ray players: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/630898
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...enjoying this discussion thank you.
Alas my dear friend, I would have never left the world of good ol? reliable, established, MPEG-2 and DvD if it weren?t for the high bitrate demands of the format and small size of those discs - too awkward for my collection. ;-)
DivX is wonderful too, but being a Mod at DivX, I can say that its true purpose, at least legally, has always been only as a solid backup to an original.
I understand it wouldn?t be as economical today using empty BD discs, and the equipment involved, but my concern right now is future-proofing. I agree with you that the BD standard is a little loose right now until the players coming out start accepting similar formats.
I have two questions for the moment:
1) I know that AVCHD and regular BD is not the same. AVCHD only accepts H.264, less audio formats, has limitations on multiple streams, etc. But is what?s accepted into AVCHD a subset of the overall acceptance of BD (which also includes VC-1, MPEG-2, multiple tracks, subtitles, etc.)?
2) What I?d like to do is encode a few small sample M2TS clips, in SD rez, in compliant blu-ray format, and upload them for a few kind souls to verify that they work on their model player. Is it Ok to do this on this forum? If a couple of people verify that they work on their models I would be thrilled to provide a detailed instruction set of how I encoded them in case anybody else is interested in encoding their SD content to high quality H.264 compatible BD files.
Thanks again Ryu.:-)
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5. April 2008 @ 01:54 |
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Nice thread Ryu77, keep up the good work.
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5. April 2008 @ 04:13 |
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Originally posted by LOCOENG: Nice thread Ryu77, keep up the good work.
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Thank you very much. I do try. :-D
Originally posted by 00PuzZLeR: I have two questions for the moment:
1)I know that AVCHD and regular BD is not the same. AVCHD only accepts H.264, less audio formats, has limitations on multiple streams, etc. But is what?s accepted into AVCHD a subset of the overall acceptance of BD (which also includes VC-1, MPEG-2, multiple tracks, subtitles, etc.)?
Yes, basically Blu-ray is a format built upon AVCHD. As we've discussed, Blu-ray has a wider specification and has larger mandatory codec support.
Originally posted by 00PuzZLeR: 2)What I?d like to do is encode a few small sample M2TS clips, in SD rez, in compliant blu-ray format, and upload them for a few kind souls to verify that they work on their model player. Is it Ok to do this on this forum? If a couple of people verify that they work on their models I would be thrilled to provide a detailed instruction set of how I encoded them in case anybody else is interested in encoding their SD content to high quality H.264 compatible BD files.
Thanks again Ryu.:-)
I'm sorry but I can't help you there. My Blu-ray player is a PS3.
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I agree with LOCOENG. Ryu's been very helpful.:-)Thanks for your answers thus far.Quote: I'm sorry but I can't help you there. My Blu-ray player is a PS3.
Yeah, I guess what's fully playable in a PS3 is not necessarily compatible with all BD players. The PS3 is the ultimate multimedia machine no doubt. Nevertheless, in the meantime I will prepare some tiny samples, post them (assuming it's Ok with Mods) and hopefully some other kind folk who has just an "ordinary" BD player can report back.:-)
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Ryu77,
Is there a way to merge two video files? Some of the D/Ls I have come in part 1 and part 2, just wondering if I can make them in to one file.
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Ryu77 thanks for this great thread. I've been searching the web for a couple weeks and this is by far the most comprehensive collection of HD back-up info available. All your responses in other threads have been very informative.
I'm in the process of buying a PS3 (40Gb) and upgrading my computer (I currently have a E6600 OC'd to 3.2ghz) and I want to make 720p DVD's playable on my PS3 from 4.4gb mkv files, which are readily available on the web.
From my understanding all the mkv files need to transcoded/re-encoded to play. And the transcoding process makes the files slightly larger and won't fit on a DVD5. So they need to re-encoded at lower bitrate, which takes hours. Am I right so far? Has anyone tried to overburn the trancoded files on to a DVD+R? They can typically hold 4.6gb. LINK
Alternately, if the overburning doesn't work. What type of computer system do you recommend for the conversion process? I have a core 2 duo now, but I'm considering a Q6600, E8400 or Q9450. Does the re-encoding programs take advantage of SSE4 and the quad core? And how long does it take a 2 hour movie to re-encode.
thanks again.
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Excellent thread Ryu!
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I aquired a copy of Scenarist myself. I gave it a try by following the user guide that came with it, only to find out I did something wrong along the way. It really seems like a lot of work just to get subs on to a 720p movie. I think this is a little beyond my understanding at this point. It does however look like a really good authoring program that I would like to utilize at some point.
Please let me know how your project went, I am curious to see if everything worked out for you.
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