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5. June 2008 @ 17:42 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by F4HAD:
It is fairly appropraite to say that us humans, are not clever enough, or do not possess basic human morals to make the world a better place for our grandsons and grandaughters. It is because we neglect the world so much that eventually, humans will eat the world inside out, its a basic fact, WE ARE DESTRYOING THE WORLD, and something needs to be done about it, something far greater than turning to biodegradeable plastic bags.
Birmingham university have developed the worlds first hydrogen powered bike, thats a start, now all they need to do is upscale it to a car, but can it be done?
... I hope you meant "motorcycle."

We don't need a more oil-efficient bicycle.
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7. June 2008 @ 15:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Oil prices also keep rising and rising, people are going to not be able to afford oil in about 30 years time. Oil prices about 6 years ago were half what they are now, so does that mean in another 6 years, it will cost us £2.40 per litre?
Somebody really needs to return to the sketchboard and make something that runs un anything but oil.
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7. June 2008 @ 16:08 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The cure for high oil prices according to 1 economist is higher prices. Will reach a choke point (and recession) where our appetite for oil will deminish so that supply will exceed demand. Prices naturally will drop. What is to keep Opec from keeping prices artifically high. Again supply and demand. As we consume less, their income drops, and they (Opec) needs income, so they drop supply, but at high prices new competition comes online so supply goes up as demand dwidles.We also become more energy efficient at the higher prices and demand further slides. Opec has an influence on the market, but their's is not the only one. Higher oil prices are a bitter pill to swallow, but maybe just the medicine we need to reverse oil prices, JMO.

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7. June 2008 @ 17:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
iluvendo, you have an excellent theory, but there are loopholes in every system, and wars and fights and political violence will definitely occur over the remaining oil
For example, USA have has quarrels with Iran in the past anyway, and Saudi Arabia refuse to supply the world with oil anyway.
Now, Iran and Saudi Arabia have the most amount of oil in the world, once all the oil in all neighboring countries and the rest of the countries of the world has finished, and both Iran, and Saudi Arabia refuse to give oil to USA or any other country, what do you think would happen? All hell would break loose, possibly even world war 3, and its only 30-40 years away.
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7. June 2008 @ 17:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hydro 4000 my ass, it's nothing more than an inline water vapour supply,water injection is old no-one uses it anymore..lmao
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7. June 2008 @ 17:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Hydro 4000 my ass, it's nothing more than an inline water vapour supply,water injection is old no-one uses it anymore..lmao
but its a start, everything has a foundation
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7. June 2008 @ 21:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
If I continue to drive my car, I will single handily wipe out the crude oil supply in about 8 years. Sorry about that fellas :/


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7. June 2008 @ 22:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Auslander:
If people would buy more economical vehicles and use more public transportation, that bigger wouldn't be as menacing. But from my research, transportation only allots for about 20% of total oil usage. Lots of people still heat their homes with it, use it for lubrication, we get plastic from it, etc etc.

Thankfully, we now have biodegradable plastic made from plant matter, and that will get cheaper as time goes on. To really safeguard ourselves, we need to start building homes heated by geothermal energy, and uses hydroelectric power (including wave power), solar power, and wind power on even small scales. If we reverted back to using more glass containers and recycling more effectively, combined with new methods of housing construction and upkeep, coupled with vehicles designed to run on bio-diesel and other bandage fuels until a truly viable alternative is produced, we really could be okay without many hiccups.

But that won't happen. People refuse to change until it's too late.

At least I will be prepared.
Aus, where have you been the last 30+ years? Okay, in your case, the last 20 years.

Most, if not all of what you have mentioned, has been used/developed, since the early 70's, or even before.

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7. June 2008 @ 22:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Hydro 4000 my ass, it's nothing more than an inline water vapour supply,water injection is old no-one uses it anymore..lmao
And your sources are?

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7. June 2008 @ 22:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yes, but with petroleum staying cheap, things were either not use often, like hydroelectric power, or fell into much disuse, like glass. I'm saying these things need to be brought back not just into mainstream use but majority use.


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7. June 2008 @ 22:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Hydro 4000 my ass, it's nothing more than an inline water vapour supply,water injection is old no-one uses it anymore..lmao
Wrong. Water injection is still very popular in the tuner scene, just like meth, for cooling the combustion chamber, having the same effect as higher octane to reduce detonation and produce more power.


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7. June 2008 @ 22:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Oh, and Bruce, to add to the technology spew, the US government also needs to embrace a reimbursement system, like other nations, that reward homebuilders and citizenry for using resource-saving technology through paying for some or all of the equipment required. As far as I know, they don't do this for solar panels, or windmills, or recycling publicly, or any such thing.


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8. June 2008 @ 01:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by GrandpaBW:
Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Hydro 4000 my ass, it's nothing more than an inline water vapour supply,water injection is old no-one uses it anymore..lmao
And your sources are?
If you have an understanding of automotive mechanics go to the website & read how it works,all it's doing is introducing water vapor it's a new twist on old tech

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8. June 2008 @ 05:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I agree with aus, you see, everything must have a foundation and like I said before, even if it is a minute advancement, at least its an advancement
Every little helps, what doesnt kill you makes you stronger doesnt it?
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8. June 2008 @ 07:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
And as for the "water vapour" technology, it is not water vapour at all, I've just watched an episode from "the gadget show", on which it was shown, and it was clearly said that it was, "an engine powered on hydrogen", i will do some more research on this and report back
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Originally posted by Auslander:
Oh, and Bruce, to add to the technology spew, the US government also needs to embrace a reimbursement system, like other nations, that reward homebuilders and citizenry for using resource-saving technology through paying for some or all of the equipment required. As far as I know, they don't do this for solar panels, or windmills, or recycling publicly, or any such thing.
The beauty of the windmills is, excess power from them, is sold back to the power companies. We are starting to see more wind power, here in Minnesota. I think it is great and is long overdue.

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Originally posted by F4HAD:
And as for the "water vapour" technology, it is not water vapour at all, I've just watched an episode from "the gadget show", on which it was shown, and it was clearly said that it was, "an engine powered on hydrogen", i will do some more research on this and report back
it works my freind talked to people that are using the HYDRO-4000, his is going on in the next couple weeks so i will have first hand advice from him soon, you can actually buy a kit and build it yourself for a fraction of what it cost retail




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8. June 2008 @ 14:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
OK, ive done some more reseaqrch on the hydrogen powered engine and this is how it works:

Theres 2 different types of hydrogen powered car engines:
1.Hydrogen battery cell
2.Hydrogen Internal combustion

Go to this link for more

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8. June 2008 @ 16:00 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
Originally posted by F4HAD:
And as for the "water vapour" technology, it is not water vapour at all, I've just watched an episode from "the gadget show", on which it was shown, and it was clearly said that it was, "an engine powered on hydrogen", i will do some more research on this and report back
it works my freind talked to people that are using the HYDRO-4000, his is going on in the next couple weeks so i will have first hand advice from him soon, you can actually buy a kit and build it yourself for a fraction of what it cost retail
Of course it works your the one selling it,your not you say? yeah right *side ways glance* you know if it really did work that well explain why no testing by the AA or automotive sciences has backed it up,read the testimonials you reckon.. lmao


@F4HAD (Junior Member) 8. June 2008 @ 13:31
OK, ive done some more reseaqrch on the hydrogen powered engine and this is how it works:

Theres 2 different types of hydrogen powered car engines:
1.Hydrogen battery cell
2.Hydrogen Internal combustion

You did read it i assume,the hydro powered gasoline engine is a dedicated hydro engine not a mix,did you also notice what was required to produce hydrogen GAS...nough said
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NO I'm not selling them. Its a company i never knew about till my friend give me the website. so what your assuming is incorrect. that would be like me assuming you are robbing banks lol.




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8. June 2008 @ 19:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Auslander:
Oh, and Bruce, to add to the technology spew, the US government also needs to embrace a reimbursement system, like other nations, that reward homebuilders and citizenry for using resource-saving technology through paying for some or all of the equipment required. As far as I know, they don't do this for solar panels, or windmills, or recycling publicly, or any such thing.
You actually do get deductions on your taxes for installing energy saving devices or products in/on your home. I got an extra deduction for installing a new energy efficient heat pump and storm door this year. I'm not sure exactly how much I got back, but it was something if not indirectly "reimbursed".


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8. June 2008 @ 20:05 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
NO I'm not selling them. Its a company i never knew about till my friend give me the website. so what your assuming is incorrect. that would be like me assuming you are robbing banks lol.
I take it back your getting kick backs from F4HAD..lmao
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lol i wish because i heard there selling very well




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9. June 2008 @ 04:03 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
scorpNZ, you seem to have something against hydrogen powered engine's?

I would much rather be living in a society whereby everybody would be driving cars powered by hydrogen, rather than a society where everybody would be drving cars the pollute the air, would you?
Quite clearly not, so if you have something to contribute, then open your mouth, otherwise, refrain from abusing this forum and its users by your silly theory's, nuff said

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9. June 2008 @ 05:16 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
creating hydrogen/oxygen mix gas is really very simple. I can make it in my yard with a battery (which could easliy be replaced by a couple of solar cells) and some container holding water and a salt to make it conductive.. you can go a stage further and use an arc under water to physically crack the water into it's component gasses.. It ain't rocket science..

The reason nothing has been done along these lines (and |I believe there was a vechicle engine patent in the 70's for just such an engine) has been the power of the oil companies to buy politicians and technology and bury it to continue their hold on our governments and their profits and power.

Now with the energy crisis it will all start to fall apart, and we will see these nasty greedy people for what they really are.

BTW.. Aus.. the very first plastics, much loved of the victorians and edwardians were the celluloids.. famously used to make highly flammable shirt collars.(and explosive pool balls) They are made from cellulose, which was a by product at the time of the paper industry. You see them every time you take that thin plastic off a packet of cigs ;)

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