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article published on 2 November, 2008
According to new weekly data from Media Create, the PlayStation 3 had its worst sales week of 2008 in Japan, being outsold almost 2-to-1 by its rival, the Xbox 360.
The launch of the new updated PSP-3000 model helped boost sales of the handheld and it topped the sales chart by a hefty number.
The Xbox 360 continues to sell well, as does the ever-popular Wii yet the PS3 keeps seeing its sales fall.
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3. November 2008 @ 03:41 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Japan YTD total sales figures by Media Create
Wii - 2,215,488
PS3 - 689,482
360 - 212,785
Japan total sales figures since launch
Wii - ???
PS3 - 2,345,548
360 - 729,074
Euro YTD sales figures
Wii - 4,519,000
PS3 - 2,082,000
360 - 1,417,000
Total WW YTD sales figures by Nintendo
Wii - 11,912,477
PS3 - 5,022,414
360 - 3,857,185
The total sales numbers for the US this year currently shows the PS3 ahead by only about 200,000 vs the 360 (Wii is obviously way ahead). The 360 has had about 8 weeks of "better" sales in Japan but the totals for that period is something like 28,000 and with that being such a low number that "lead" in sales for just 8 weeks will disappear when the new PS3 80gb bundles come out there soon. But even if not, the year totals show the trend for that & the Euro market.
I think the 360 will probably take the US sales this year but not by much, it really depends on if this holiday season people want the cheaper console with only 2 new games (360), the "weird" fun console that has no new games (Wii), or the more expensive console with the most new games available this holiday season (PS3). That coupled with The Dark Knight POSSIBLY getting a PS3 bundle will keep it too close to call until after the holidays.
I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talkin about. The PS3 has virtually no fun games at all coming out other than two that I can think of, Little Big Planet and maybe Resistance 2 (which I think part 1 suckd, not sure about part 2). So what are you refering to when you say the PS3 "has the most new games available this holiday season"? That's a blatant lie if you ask me (and a funny one too). LOL, the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games. The PS3 only has LittleBigPlanet and Resistance 2, yes I said it again AND that's it.
All other games that are multi-plat will play much better on the 360 like Fallout 3, so from the looks of it, I think the 360 by farrrr has the wayyy better lineup this holiday. I never would've thought you of all people would be so blind. I'm sure you wanna mod me, but this is how I am when I'm objective to all users, including mods. (the truth hurts)
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Hmm, how exactly is this article biased? This was based on THIS WEEK'S sales. If I was writing an article on YTD sales, the you would have gotten your YTD numbers.
The PS3 sales falling was the most interesting note of the weekly sales numbers, hence the title. If not, next time I can title the article, "Xbox 360 sales fall 4 percent for the week", is that better for you?
I don't think you're biased mate - I was talking more in general but the article can be interpreted that way - I recognise that you were talking about a week's sales only but those who don't follow the sales trends closely ( who would want to ? ) :) could interpret it as suggesting that the PS3 is struggling in japan while the X Box is way ahead because the only reference to previous sales figures is - "the X Box continues to sell well while the PS3 keeps seeing its sales fall" It's not what the article says, it's what it doesn't say - the facts that the PS3 has been out for 2 years in Japan while the X Box has just been launched.
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I don't quite see how a release date of December 10, 2005 for the 360 in Japan could in any way be stated as "just released" with only 103,990 units sold by the end of April 2, 2006.
The ps3 has done pretty well in Japan all things considered. Of course M$ will boost their sales figures with the price cut in the face of a global recession.
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Originally posted by varnull:
I don't quite see how a release date of December 10, 2005 for the 360 in Japan could in any way be stated as "just released" with only 103,990 units sold by the end of April 2, 2006.
The ps3 has done pretty well in Japan all things considered. Of course M$ will boost their sales figures with the price cut in the face of a global recession.
The sound of unbiased intelligence.
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Looks like NoBrainer is back...and is gone again.
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Originally posted by fgamer:
I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talkin about. The PS3 has virtually no fun games at all coming out other than two that I can think of, Little Big Planet and maybe Resistance 2 (which I think part 1 suckd, not sure about part 2). So what are you refering to when you say the PS3 "has the most new games available this holiday season"? That's a blatant lie if you ask me (and a funny one too). LOL, the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games. The PS3 only has LittleBigPlanet and Resistance 2, yes I said it again AND that's it.
All other games that are multi-plat will play much better on the 360 like Fallout 3, so from the looks of it, I think the 360 by farrrr has the wayyy better lineup this holiday. I never would've thought you of all people would be so blind. I'm sure you wanna mod me, but this is how I am when I'm objective to all users, including mods. (the truth hurts)
Obviously there are more than 2 games coming out for the 360 (I did forget LFD whoops) but the only BIG games are the 2 I mentioned. But please add to the discussion what the additional games that you know of so as to show us this great lineup.
Meanwhile I will do the same to show just a few of the NEW exclusives (since both of us can count multiplatform titles as a wash) are available this holiday season for the PS3.
Exclusive Titles
1) LBP - Big Title one to watch
2) Socom - Could be Big because of the following this brand has
3) Motorstorm 2 - Could be a Big Title but that is up in the air
4) Resistance 2 - Big title one to watch
5) White Knight Chronicles - Big title one to watch
6) NBA 09
7) Singstar v2
8) Valkyrai Chronicles - Big Title one to watch
PSN Stuff
11) Wipeout HD - Big Title one to watch
12) Home - Big Title one to watch
13) Qore
14) Bomberman Ultra
14) Buzz
15) Fat Princess - Big Title one to watch
16) Jeapardy
17) Lumines Supernova - Big Title one to watch
18) Wheel of Fortune
There are more but that is just off the top of my head. As for the Wii nothing stands out! Please someone correct me if I am wrong...I would love to have some hope of something new coming to the Wii this season that is ACTUALLY worth playing.
Look I am not trying to argue with you or anyone here. I simply posted FACTUAL sales numbers for the YTD in a thread pertaining to PS3 sales numbers for the last few weeks and it seems some people don't like those facts...again, whatever. They could take it however they want, but the truth remains exactly what it is. Truth.
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3. November 2008 @ 09:23 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
...The ps3 has done pretty well in Japan all things considered. Of course M$ will boost their sales figures with the price cut in the face of a global recession.
Most would agree and think so, but the price cut for the 360 in Europe only raised it's sales for a very short period (couple weeks or so?) which really didn't help change anything in the overall picture. While in the US it as done nothing spectacular equally so.
Meanwhile they lost their 10 Million console lead over Nintendo & Sony, where passed by the Wii to the current tune of well over 10 Million and the PS3 is closing steadily to be within +/- 4 Million (about) with it's consistent sales while being the most expensive competitor!
This holiday season is going to be close between only Sony & MS and neither side is going to "run away with it". When 2009 hits the same trend will prove what it has for the past 2 years,
MS losing ground fast
Sony gaining ground slow
Nintendo pulling away at light speed
Even going by VGChatz (which has been proven to be WAAY off and biased) shows the 360 only to hold a big lead in the US. In Japan it's last and in Europe it is too close to say it has a "lead" over the PS3. So to take account of sales for each year 2006, 2007 & 2008 seperately it looks like this (I know I have posted this before but I have revised the second part below)
Wii-
1st America
1st Europe
1st Japan
PS3-
3rd America
2nd Europe
2nd Japan
360-
2nd America
3rd Europe
3rd Japan
Wii = 1st with all 1st places
PS3 = 2nd with 2 / 2nd places & 1 3rd (but gaining every month)
360 = 3rd with 2 / 3rd places and 1 / 2nd
But the TOTALS for all years cumulative changes things but only ever so slightly which again supports MS's loss of ground
Wii-
1st America
1st Europe
1st Japan
PS3-
3rd America
Tied Europe
2nd Japan
360-
2nd America
Tied Europe
3rd Japan
Wii = 1st with all 1st places
PS3 = Tied
360 = Tied
For all this "doom and gloom" in the mass media press for the PS3 it sure seems that the blinders are on when the 360 is discussed and over viewed (not towards you varnull just in general). Now granted the 360 has double the amount of "consoles" in the US (but we can't confirm exactly because of RROD's) over only the PS3 that is all MS can say. What about how as of late the Euro scene for Sony & Nintendo growing exponentially and their sales #'s showing higher attachment rates for the PS3 and sheer numbers of Wii's being sold daily? The over seas market as a whole is undoubtedly giving the US a run for it's money and looking to keep gaming a hot commodity.
I also see way too much misinformation where people only use the US as their slide rule. This can't be anymore incorrect, and is why I think I get ostracized/attacked because of they way I see it. The whole picture needs to be seen not just a pinhole view of it...
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Originally posted by Oner:
Looks like NoBrainer is back...and is gone again.
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JakDRiper (account created on 9 Jul, 2008) has used same IP address as nobrainer (banned on 9 Jul, 2008)
How about other posters who come here just to use news articles as a place to spout irrelevance/pick petty fights, go elsewhere to solve their personality defects/anger management issues, and keep it out of the News articles.
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Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by Oner:
Looks like NoBrainer is back...and is gone again.
it sure looks like it Quote:
JakDRiper (account created on 9 Jul, 2008) has used same IP address as nobrainer (banned on 9 Jul, 2008)
Funny thing is I posted that before I even checked the IP's! Then added "and is gone again." after confirming it.
Originally posted by creaky:
How about other posters who come here just to use news articles as a place to spout irrelevance/pick petty fights, go elsewhere to solve their personality defects/anger management issues, and keep it out of the News articles.
Exactly. We have thousands of people who come here to aD everyday to not only get their news fix but to ACTUALLY help others and contribute. That is the kind of aD'er anyone can respect. Those who only troll, disregard forum rules and don't/haven't contributed really have no reason to complain when aD'ers can't/wont takes them seriously.
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Personally i think a lot of people post in the news threads just to get their post count up.
Some of them spout awful rubbish. At least in the other forums you have to have some idea what you're talking about.
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Spotting nobrainer is quite comical actually and I always get somewhat of a kick out of pointing him out on his various user names. Its become somewhat of a game and I think the name nobrainer will be remembered here for quite some time.
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Wasn't he 13thHour as well? How many times has that guy been banned?
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Originally posted by pyrite:
Wasn't he 13thHour as well? How many times has that guy been banned?
I lost count around 4 (I think). Either way lets get back to the topic, this thread has already strayed a few times and we don't need it totally derailing.
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On topic: The slowdown of ps3 sales in Japan is most likely a combination of two things.
1. Most gamers in Japan probably already own a ps3 and the numbers are naturally dropping due to saturation.
2. MS is finally wising up and making games that appeal specially to JP gamers and taking a piece of the pie.
Off topic: I believe it was stated a by several people in this thread that the 360 is cheaper and therefore parents would be more likely to chose it over the ps3. Despite this being true with the initial purchase the needed/optional add on's can potentially raise the price to well over $400.
I still don't own any of the current gen consoles, right now I'm sifting through the old ps2/ps1 games and I'm quite satisfied. ATM I'm playing gta 3 and FF tactics. I plan on buying god of war 1 and 2 and completing my FF collection by buying FF 9 and playing it through again.
It's sad to think but yes I'm one of the very few people waiting for a confirmed lot # for the jasper 360 chipset. I don't know a single person who owns a ps3; all of my friends either have or want a 360. After buying a battery charging kit, an ethernet cable, and a live subscription that's just about $400. I know the games library is a point of contention for most people but to me it's the discount on older games that draws me to the 360. I might buy one new release but aside from that why should I pay $60 for a game? There are a handful of new releases for both systems but when it comes down to it most of the older games are multi-platform and they are cheaper on the 360.
The economy is only going to get worse and it?s really hitting those who are just starting out on their own the hardest. Jobs are hard to find and everyone I know is terrified of being fired. Let?s face it life sucks and distractions are needed to forget about the current state of things.
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Didn't the overall cost of production just drop for the PS3? Shortly after that, the sales drop.
Seems like six of one and half a dozen of the other.
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Both consoles are doing what they need to do to be successful. Sony has dropped their price $200 from the original price and MS has dropped the core $150 from the original price. MS has paid to have a good exclusive game released in Japan and it is paying off. Both consoles are over the 10,000,000 sold mark now and that is a prime # that developers look for. Being happy when your console of choose does well is fine and understood. Getting excided about bad news on the console that you did not choose to go with is childish. Be happy with what you have. Enjoy what you have. I have decided to stick with the PS3 for reasons that I don't feel like arguing about. Plenty of good games coming out now and in the future. I'm sure the same can be said about the 360.
I would love to have GOW2 and I know that 360'ers would love to have RFOM2. Neither one is going to get everything that they want. Enjoy what you have and don't worry about anyone else.
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I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talkin about. The PS3 has virtually no fun games at all coming out other than two that I can think of, Little Big Planet and maybe Resistance 2 (which I think part 1 suckd, not sure about part 2). So what are you refering to when you say the PS3 "has the most new games available this holiday season"? That's a blatant lie if you ask me (and a funny one too). LOL, the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games. The PS3 only has LittleBigPlanet and Resistance 2, yes I said it again AND that's it.
All other games that are multi-plat will play much better on the 360 like Fallout 3, so from the looks of it, I think the 360 by farrrr has the wayyy better lineup this holiday. I never would've thought you of all people would be so blind. I'm sure you wanna mod me, but this is how I am when I'm objective to all users, including mods. (the truth hurts)
I have no choice but to comment on this.
To the first part of this stupid comment:
WTF have you been living in a cave? "the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games"
If over 90 PS3 (YES, NINETY) EXCLUSIVES aren't games, then you have some problems. Not really insulting you but you need to do your research before you comment. Not to mention PS1/2 games and PSN games, plus multi-platform games. Need a link to see this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games
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Games play better on 360? Man, thanks to the 360 IV was reduced, and to make up for it, you get some exclusive content. And, what the hell makes you think that multiplatform games play better on 360? Hm? Because it uses HD-DVD? Hm? Don't make things from the top of your head, OK?
EDIT: From what I've counted, the 360 has around 100-110 exclusives. More than the PS3 but the 360 got 18 months headstart. Just incase you post that.
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I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talkin about. The PS3 has virtually no fun games at all coming out other than two that I can think of, Little Big Planet and maybe Resistance 2 (which I think part 1 suckd, not sure about part 2). So what are you refering to when you say the PS3 "has the most new games available this holiday season"? That's a blatant lie if you ask me (and a funny one too). LOL, the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games. The PS3 only has LittleBigPlanet and Resistance 2, yes I said it again AND that's it.
All other games that are multi-plat will play much better on the 360 like Fallout 3, so from the looks of it, I think the 360 by farrrr has the wayyy better lineup this holiday. I never would've thought you of all people would be so blind. I'm sure you wanna mod me, but this is how I am when I'm objective to all users, including mods. (the truth hurts)
I have no choice but to comment on this.
To the first part of this stupid comment:
WTF have you been living in a cave? "the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games"
If over 90 PS3 (YES, NINETY) EXCLUSIVES aren't games, then you have some problems. Not really insulting you but you need to do your research before you comment. Not to mention PS1/2 games and PSN games, plus multi-platform games. Need a link to see this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games
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Games play better on 360? Man, thanks to the 360 IV was reduced, and to make up for it, you get some exclusive content. And, what the hell makes you think that multiplatform games play better on 360? Hm? Because it uses HD-DVD? Hm? Don't make things from the top of your head, OK?
EDIT: From what I've counted, the 360 has around 100-110 exclusives. More than the PS3 but the 360 got 18 months headstart. Just incase you post that.
Sorry man but I gotta set you straight unless you were just being sarcastic. The 360 games are not on HD-DVDs, they're on double layered DVDs. Yea i said double cuz im not sure if its duel or dual. :)
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Originally posted by grkblood:
Yea i said double cuz im not sure if its duel or dual. :)
Duel is to fight or a challenge
Dual is double
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I enjoyed the statistics and numbers posted. Thanks oner for that one. Also i dont label too many people as a fanboy nor do i consider you to be one but if you make a comment supporting your opinion or sometimes even with posting facts, someone is bound to try and label you. Those are the ones who cant handle the truth. Kinda like if i were to say "Only idiots play MGS4". To me that is fanboyish. If a person has actually taken the time to play a game and its not the hottest game to them it would sound a lot more intelligent to just say ,"I didnot really care for the game." Just my opinion as a read a post similiar in words here.
I really dont see that there is much diff in the games for either of the more powerful consoles. I do believe that the xbox360 being cheaper is not as big a determining factor in buying the console as the PS3 is being expensive. If Sony ever gets the price down on the PS3 or if it were the same as the xbox360, i think we would see a notable diff in sales. Sony's library is getting better over time and i wondering how sales will look once some really anticipated titles are released on PS3 like socum, gow3, etc...I know people say PS3 price is a great deal when you consider what you are getting and i can see that but a lot of gamers are not willing to pay that much and its not always to do with a person not being able to afford the PS3. I honestly admit the price is the only thing that has kept me away so far. Well, that and my priorities that have changed with age.
If tekken 6 were out at launch i would have already bought a PS3 but from what i have read through multiple sites recently Tekken 6 will be multiplatform excluding the Wii that is. Thats a exclusive lost that could have help sell more PS3s.
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Sorry man but I gotta set you straight unless you were just being sarcastic. The 360 games are not on HD-DVDs, they're on double layered DVDs. Yea i said double cuz im not sure if its duel or dual. :)
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And it looks like the predictions where right about the Japanese where only waiting for bundles.
Originally posted by Oner:
The 360 has had about 8 weeks of "better" sales in Japan but the totals for that period is something like 28,000 and with that being such a low number that "lead" in sales for just 8 weeks will disappear when the new PS3 80gb bundles come out there soon.
But from the information I have read/gathered so far that the LBP PS3 Bundles are NOT being counted in these totals so it looks to be a higher number yet still (but we'll see as more info drops).
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Famitsu Japan Charts 27/10 - 02/11
Hardware
DSi->171.000
PSP->50.000
PS3->36.000
Wii->25.000
DSL->17.000
PS2->6.800
360->6.300
Software
1.GTA IV [PS3] -> 122.000 (NEW)
2.Valkyrie Profile: The Accused One [NDS] -> 74.000 (NEW)
3.Little Big Planet [PS3] -> 47.000 (NEW)
4.GTA IV [360] -> 38.000 (NEW)
5.Wagamama Fassion Girls Mode [NDS] -> 38.000/125.000
6.Pokemon Platinum [NDS] -> 37.000/1.831.000
7.Gran Turismo 5 Prologue: Spec III [PS3]-> 34.00(NEW)
8.Rhythm Tengoku Gold [NDS] -> 33.000/1.001.000
9.Chocobo's Dungeon DS+ [NDS]-> 28.000 (NEW)
10.Wii Music[WII] -> 23.000/164.000
Some additional notables.
1) GTA4 #1 in game sales in Japan is a pretty amazing change
2) PS3 sold more than the Wii for this period (not a big deal but kinda funny)
3) GT5P sales pretty good even after 10+ months or so
4) PS2 sales still helping the Sony line of products
5) PSP sales holding it's own
6) **The below not my info** but is still notable and should be taken with a grain of salt as the info comes from VGChartz numbers
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LBP was out on Firday 31st October so these scores show only 3 days of sales.
From the 6th September to 2nd November the 360 sold 84,547 units.
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From the 6th September to 2nd November the PS3 sold 85,436 units.
So preliminarily there is more information that supports the 360's 8 week (or so) "lead" to be nothing drastic.
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How long has the LBP bundle been out there? Wonder why they would not count it? Has Eternal Sonata (which sucks) been released there yet?
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Lovely biased posting.. and has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the weekly sales figures article.
We don't care about the total sales, or the future projected sales of bundles... the article is about 1 weeks sales figures.. everything else is off topic...
But that's just to be expected looking at all the "usual suspects" from the $ony payroll in this thread.
9. July 2008 @ 00:20 ring any bells? Looks like nothing has been noted or actioned. Freedom of speech and opinion has lost out again in the face of bias and profit.
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Originally posted by varnull:
Lovely biased posting.. and has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the weekly sales figures article.
We don't care about the total sales, or the future projected sales of bundles... the article is about 1 weeks sales figures.. everything else is off topic...
But that's just to be expected looking at all the "usual suspects" from the $ony payroll in this thread.
Andre.. 9. July 2008 @ 00:20 ring any bells? Looks like nothing has been noted or actioned. Freedom of speech and opinion has lost out again in the face of bias and profit.
My nominee for most hypocritical post in the history of afterdawn.
Oner is exercising FREEDOM OF SPEECH when he talks about "total sales, or the future projected sales of bundles."
Seems like you are only against speech that you disagree with.
There is nothing wrong with bias.
What's wrong is when you try to stifle the expression of bias.
That's when you take away freedom of speech.
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