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Why cant they make flashing easier?
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jpizzle
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25. March 2009 @ 23:16 |
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Originally posted by rudster:
i flash xbox 360s for a living.
They become easier and easier.
especially with the new jungleflasher
if you need anything check out my site
http://rudstermods.us
WOW, $50 to flash a hitachi!!! sorry bro but your a dick :P
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25. March 2009 @ 23:26 |
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lol rip off! no free advertisement here fella!
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TomN34
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29. April 2009 @ 20:42 |
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Originally posted by rudster:
i flash xbox 360s for a living.
They become easier and easier.
especially with the new jungleflasher
if you need anything check out my site
http://i'manidiot.com
edited by ddp
Yeh.....Your website link is broken, lol.
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gameover9
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29. April 2009 @ 21:19 |
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It's only a rip off if you know how to do it. Your knowledge is worth money and it's a cost of one game. Everyone I've done it for was glad and willing to pay me $50.00
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29. April 2009 @ 21:20 |
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Originally posted by TomN34:
Originally posted by rudster:
i flash xbox 360s for a living.
They become easier and easier.
especially with the new jungleflasher
if you need anything check out my site
http://i'manidiot.com
edited by ddp
Yeh.....Your website link is broken, lol.
It is broken because ddp edited the link. Not allowed to advertise on the site without permission.
@gameover
You might want to edit the link out of your quote.
It is kind of stupid to be advertising modding in the USA. Your just asking for trouble. Plus if they do get busted all those customers that send in their systems in will more then likely not get them back.
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gameover9
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29. April 2009 @ 22:33 |
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I don't advertise. I just do it for people I know or their friends, etc.
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jcalton88
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30. April 2009 @ 00:57 |
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Actually modding in the US is legal. Microsoft cannot tell you that you can't change FW on your system, and cannot tell you that you can't back up your games. They can only tell you that you cannot backup games and sell them.
If that were the case, someone couldn't advertise they can fix the systems as well, because they are modifying the xbox in one way or another. As long as you aren't selling or giving away games, its perfectly legal.
Thats why Microsoft hasn't started sueing the hell out of people, because it wouldn't be worth it and no one that does it in the US does enough to make it worth it.
The modding is legal, its what you do with the mod that is illegal.
But anyway, I came into the game late and everything was all complicated anyway. I got lucky and had a BenQ in mine so it was easy to do, key is reading as much as you can in as many places as you can. I think most people that are bricking their drives find one tut and use it, never bothering to read another. I myself spent well over a week reading every tut on flashing I could find and then threads on people that had problems.
And @stealth, I'm with ya, grew up about an hour away from the Apps, white lightning it is buddy! Every time I think about it all I can hear is "white lightning" by george jones. For anyone who wants to know what White Lightning is or listen to a great and funny song, give that one a listen. Its moonshine alright.
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gameover9
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30. April 2009 @ 08:30 |
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I have used both methods DOS and Jungle Flasher and just prefer doing it all in Windows using Jungle Flasher. At first it took me a few tries to get everything set up properly in windows for Jungle Flasher to work. But ever since that I have done 10 to 15 without a hitch.
Same here. You hit this right on the nose. The people that complain about freezing problems are idiots and don't read the guides properly. Most of the time they don't even have the VIA 6421 card and wonder why it doesn't work! Others didn't remove the driver in c:\windows\system32 folder. Come on, flashing is easy if you simply just read guys.
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30. April 2009 @ 11:29 |
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Originally posted by jcalton88:
Actually modding in the US is legal. Microsoft cannot tell you that you can't change FW on your system, and cannot tell you that you can't back up your games. They can only tell you that you cannot backup games and sell them.
If that were the case, someone couldn't advertise they can fix the systems as well, because they are modifying the xbox in one way or another. As long as you aren't selling or giving away games, its perfectly legal.
Thats why Microsoft hasn't started sueing the hell out of people, because it wouldn't be worth it and no one that does it in the US does enough to make it worth it.
The modding is legal, its what you do with the mod that is illegal.
But anyway, I came into the game late and everything was all complicated anyway. I got lucky and had a BenQ in mine so it was easy to do, key is reading as much as you can in as many places as you can. I think most people that are bricking their drives find one tut and use it, never bothering to read another. I myself spent well over a week reading every tut on flashing I could find and then threads on people that had problems.
And @stealth, I'm with ya, grew up about an hour away from the Apps, white lightning it is buddy! Every time I think about it all I can hear is "white lightning" by george jones. For anyone who wants to know what White Lightning is or listen to a great and funny song, give that one a listen. Its moonshine alright.
Since when does Microsoft make the laws (I guess in a way with all the lobbying going on now days they do)?
It is the US Government telling you that you can not use hardware or software to circumvent the copy protection (read the DMCA LAW).
So modding is perfectly fine if it dosen't circumvent the copy protection of the system that is in place.
Under the fair use act you have the right to backup your owned games/dvd/music etc. etc. etc. Under the DMCA law it is against the law to use hardware or software to circumvent copy protection. So in most cases in order to backup or play a backup you will need to circumvent the copy protection which at that time you will be breaking the law.
It was just a few years ago that more then 30 modders and sellers where busted in the USA and allot of people lost their gaming systems during the raids.
This is why it is hard to find websites or advertisements in the USA that sell or offer this kind of service.
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jcalton88
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30. April 2009 @ 12:05 |
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As I said, I just recently got into the modding, so I was unaware of this. I know about the copyright laws and digital millennium act but, and this is just my interpretation, you can take steps necessary to back up something you have bought. If I buy Fable 2, I can make a backup copy to protect my original investment.
Well, Microsoft has stopped me from being able to use my backup. They are protecting their investment, but in turn, stopping me from doing the same.
I read the act mentioned and although it skirts around the subject, doesn't ever actually say you cannot modify a system for the intended use of backing up your software...
As I said, my opinion, but irregardless, I wouldn't advertise on a mass scale like that either.
And yeah, Microsoft, AIG, all the big companies make the laws. Why? Because they line the pockets of every congressman and woman alike, they make promises that will help the states that the congress represents, and have everyone in their pocket. Just like Obama giving millions to "bail out" companies that made extremely bad decisions due to being power hungry and greedy. A good friend of mine just lost his business, where's his bailout. So yeah, Microsoft does make the laws.
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30. April 2009 @ 12:14 |
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Originally posted by jcalton88:
As I said, I just recently got into the modding, so I was unaware of this. I know about the copyright laws and digital millennium act but, and this is just my interpretation, you can take steps necessary to back up something you have bought. If I buy Fable 2, I can make a backup copy to protect my original investment.
Well, Microsoft has stopped me from being able to use my backup. They are protecting their investment, but in turn, stopping me from doing the same.
I read the act mentioned and although it skirts around the subject, doesn't ever actually say you cannot modify a system for the intended use of backing up your software...
As I said, my opinion, but irregardless, I wouldn't advertise on a mass scale like that either.
And yeah, Microsoft, AIG, all the big companies make the laws. Why? Because they line the pockets of every congressman and woman alike, they make promises that will help the states that the congress represents, and have everyone in their pocket. Just like Obama giving millions to "bail out" companies that made extremely bad decisions due to being power hungry and greedy. A good friend of mine just lost his business, where's his bailout. So yeah, Microsoft does make the laws.
I like it when people say well this is how I interpret it.
Or it isnt clear and skirts around the issue of making backups.
Well guess what it isn't how you interpret the law it is how the government interprets the law. As for skirting around the issue.
It clearly says that it is against the law to use software or hardware to circumvent copy protection.
Almost any Game/DVD/Music you buy these days has some sort of copy protection on it. So using software or hardware to circumvent the copy protection no matter what excuse you try to use is still against the law.
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30. April 2009 @ 12:24 |
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Originally posted by larrylje:
Originally posted by jcalton88:
As I said, I just recently got into the modding, so I was unaware of this. I know about the copyright laws and digital millennium act but, and this is just my interpretation, you can take steps necessary to back up something you have bought. If I buy Fable 2, I can make a backup copy to protect my original investment.
Well, Microsoft has stopped me from being able to use my backup. They are protecting their investment, but in turn, stopping me from doing the same.
I read the act mentioned and although it skirts around the subject, doesn't ever actually say you cannot modify a system for the intended use of backing up your software...
As I said, my opinion, but irregardless, I wouldn't advertise on a mass scale like that either.
And yeah, Microsoft, AIG, all the big companies make the laws. Why? Because they line the pockets of every congressman and woman alike, they make promises that will help the states that the congress represents, and have everyone in their pocket. Just like Obama giving millions to "bail out" companies that made extremely bad decisions due to being power hungry and greedy. A good friend of mine just lost his business, where's his bailout. So yeah, Microsoft does make the laws.
I like it when people say well this is how I interpret it.
Or it isnt clear and skirts around the issue of making backups.
Well guess what it isn't how you interpret the law it is how the government interprets the law. As for skirting around the issue.
It clearly says that it is against the law to use software or hardware to circumvent copy protection.
Almost any Game/DVD/Music you buy these days has some sort of copy protection on it. So using software or hardware to circumvent the copy protection no matter what excuse you try to use is still against the law.
How are they ever going to know though? Say I bought my MP3's off of itunes (I now own them) and burn them on a CD. How do they know I bought those songs since they are now on a blank CD? Same goes for ripping music CD's you own. This is legal. I also like how microsoft cries about pirating music...but yet they throw in the software to do it...
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jcalton88
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30. April 2009 @ 19:14 |
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Well I see what he is saying about it. I read everything I could find but there were sections missing. Maybe the sections that I couldn't find where the ones that got more specific.
And he was talking about people advertising the modding online or by other means. Thats how they would find out.
But about the "I love when people say their interpretation", all laws are interpretations. From the constitution on down, its how it is interpreted, which is why the judge is there. They all can interpret what the guidelines say.
Like I said, I didn't know about that group of modders that got busted, so apparently I was wrong. But I still think that it should not be illegal unless there are people downloading games they do not own, which I know happens all the time. I should be able to back up and protect my games, and microsoft should not stop me from doing so.
But it is what it is, there will always be people against it and laws against it, but we will all still do it.
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30. April 2009 @ 19:53 |
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Evdently the law means what the law means. Otherwise those that got busted wouldn't have got busted.
As to your little PM to me calling me an ass.
I could care less what you think.
Your the one that chimed in with the wrong info. Next time get your facts in order before you tell someone they are wrong.
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jcalton88
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30. April 2009 @ 19:59 |
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Well, if I was wrong, then I was wrong, but you really don't need to try and belittle me. Simply say I'm wrong, and tell me why you say that. Don't act like its common knowledge, because unless your a lawyer or a judge, I'm sure that you aren't 100% correct either.
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30. April 2009 @ 20:21 |
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Originally posted by jcalton88:
Well, if I was wrong, then I was wrong, but you really don't need to try and belittle me. Simply say I'm wrong, and tell me why you say that. Don't act like its common knowledge, because unless your a lawyer or a judge, I'm sure that you aren't 100% correct either.
How was I belittling you?
I said it was illegal
you said it wasn't.
I said to take a look at the DMCA law and brought up the raids that happened a few years ago (Simply telling you your wrong and why i think your wrong).
You said well I interrupt it this way (trying to justify breaking the law).
I said I think it is funny when people use the I Interpret it this way. It doesn't matter how you interrupt it. It matters how the law makers interrupt it (or judge).
Then I get a PM saying that I am an ass.
Sounds like your the 1 doing the belittling.
If all of this was legal then you wouldn't find ICE raiding business and private homes. You would easily find US based websites offering services or hardware to do this. The fact is you don't because it is illegal.
Even when ordering software and hardware that circumvents copy protection from other countries they have a disclaimer to know your laws in your country. Becuase in some countries (like the USA) it is agaisnt the law to have software or hardware that circumvents copy protection.
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30. April 2009 @ 20:33 |
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Originally posted by larrylje:
Originally posted by jcalton88:
Then I get a PM saying that I am an ass.
yeah, thats not cool.
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jcalton88
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30. April 2009 @ 20:51 |
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No, it was not cool. I misread a comment and took it the wrong way, but have since apoligized for my reaction. I do not know if the apology was or will be accepted, but I have put it out there.
A misunderstanding and over-reaction on my part. To all involved, I'm sorry
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30. April 2009 @ 20:53 |
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close this worthless thread....I didn't know the topic was called "Is this legal?"
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30. April 2009 @ 21:07 |
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It was rudster fault for trying to get free advertisement.
I just wanted to point out to newbies that might think of sending their system away to be modded that there is always a chance it could end up in authorities hands. It's happened before I am sure it will happen again.
If your in the US it might be safer to find a modder by word of mouth rather then those that advertise on the Internet.
Thats just my opinion.
@jcalton88
I agree with you.
You should be able to make your own backups and play them 100% legally. But when has the government cared what we thought?
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jcalton88
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30. April 2009 @ 22:31 |
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Well ask one of em, they all care! Until they get elected, then they still care as long as you are atleast a part owner in a big company.
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