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Why cant they make flashing easier?
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24. March 2009 @ 09:52 |
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I have came to the realization that flashing has gotten harder. Yes so have the things we have to do to get around what MS try's to block us out of, but I am talking about the software in particular. I can remember back in the good ole' days when I flashed sammy's. It was simple one line commands in dos basically. Then I went to do another Hitachi that I have been talking about on here lately. A 79FK in particular, and it all looked like jibberish, even though I had already sucessfully done one by myself. LOL I just couldnt remember how. So I know no one will really have the answer I am looking for. But why cant flashing just be a simple "one liner" process? I am fine with having to put a drive into mode b, and unlocking it, or using a passkey, or using an extractor or whatever the case may be, but when it comes to the actual flashing, why cant it be simplier?
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24. March 2009 @ 11:46 |
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use the 360 mod disc it doesnt require u to do all this silly unlock bs. boot to disc, enter sata port, follow onscreen prompts and drive is flashed in less than 2 mins. no reboots no unlocks nothing but booting to a disc.
and yes i agree with you on how it has gotten harder. everyone says but you can do it in windows now. bs i dont care cause dos doesnt bother me i work with unix based systems everyday so it is no problem. all the stories of JF freezing and stuff i have never heard as many stories about other methods of flashing. Also if you have to erase in windows and then boot into dos to flash..why not just do it all in dos anyway? try the mod disc man its reallyt convenient
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24. March 2009 @ 12:00 |
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Also if you have to erase in windows and then boot into dos to flash..why not just do it all in dos anyway?
You don't have to flash in DOS. It can be flashed using Jungle Flasher.
I can do a Ben-Q/Lite-ON in a few minutes (-the time it takes to dissemble the 360 and drive).
But you already answered your question. The reason why it isn't so simple is because of the extra steps MS has taken to protect the system.
It is the price you pay if you want to keep up with the modscene.
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24. March 2009 @ 12:04 |
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I dont think you understand what I mean. I know you can flash in windows, i have done it. What i mean is a year ago all you had to do was type in restore.bat and you were done. Now everything is windows based and is confusing as hell. direct drive dump, direct drive flash, ect. ect. ect. why cant i just use dos and type in one word? is it because people complained because the generation doing this is younger and dosn't understand dos? I just wish i didnt have to do 20 steps to do what used to take 1 or 2. they could at least make a one click does it all button!
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24. March 2009 @ 12:25 |
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Originally posted by larrylje:
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Also if you have to erase in windows and then boot into dos to flash..why not just do it all in dos anyway?
You don't have to flash in DOS. It can be flashed using Jungle Flasher.
I can do a Ben-Q/Lite-ON in a few minutes (-the time it takes to dissemble the 360 and drive).
But you already answered your question. The reason why it isn't so simple is because of the extra steps MS has taken to protect the system.
It is the price you pay if you want to keep up with the modscene.
I know you can flash in JF but that is if it isnt freezing up like i mentioned all the stories you hear about JF freezing you never heard all that with any other methods. Some ppl say they prefer to erase with JF and then flash in dos but to me why not just do it all in dos.
I think any dos method is much more stable than a windows method cause you have to worry about OS compatibility and all the hitches that go along with an OS. In dos it is simple like homesick said, issue a command and it does it.
I saw someone writing about restoring a samsung before flashing and i was like WTF i have never restored before relfashing. i have also seen some ppl mention having to unlock a samsung manually. again i was like WTF i have never had to do that.
So if they can make one method where you dont have to do all that stuff and the most complicated thing to do is boot into dos, to me thats very simple. But now windows method comes out and in my eyes its more hassle than using a dos method.
I do understand that some people cannot use dos or that they are intimidated by it but it is so stragiht forward and you are using commands that are predefined for what we are doing so it isnt like you can click the wrong button or something.
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24. March 2009 @ 12:25 |
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The quote was taken from stealthdf post about flashing in Jungle Flasher.
I would rather be able to do things 1 step at a time. I tend to not trust 1 click do it all option. I would rather do the steps myself to make sure everything is being done properly. To much of an added risk of something going wrong with a 1 click do it all option.
An example of this would be the new Jungle Flasher which has an option to auto-load the custom firmware. I would rather do it manualy myself so I know the proper firmware is being used.
But the reality is no one will ever agree on what the the best and fastest way to flash a drive is.
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24. March 2009 @ 12:30 |
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The mod disc is not a one click option. it guides you step by step and explains what you are doing along the way. the disc contains the fw on it so no other fw can get mixed up as there is only one version on the disc for each drive. as long as you tell it you have a samsung when you really have a sumsung you wont screw up. i would imagine it would be hard to choose the wrong drive type.
In the end it all comes to personal preference and to be honest you arent going to screw your drive up with any DOS method unless it is user error. While in JF there are so many issues with freezing i have just heard to many stories of people bricking drive but i also know most of those people were probably inexpereineced and the odds of that happening with one of us more experienced folks would be much less. i think some ppl get in a hurry a dont handle the driver issues and installing correctly.
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24. March 2009 @ 12:33 |
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Originally posted by stealthdf:
I know you can flash in JF but that is if it isnt freezing up like i mentioned all the stories you hear about JF freezing you never heard all that with any other methods. Some ppl say they prefer to erase with JF and then flash in dos but to me why not just do it all in dos.
I think any dos method is much more stable than a windows method cause you have to worry about OS compatibility and all the hitches that go along with an OS. In dos it is simple like homesick said, issue a command and it does it.
I saw someone writing about restoring a samsung before flashing and i was like WTF i have never restored before relfashing. i have also seen some ppl mention having to unlock a samsung manually. again i was like WTF i have never had to do that.
So if they can make one method where you dont have to do all that stuff and the most complicated thing to do is boot into dos, to me thats very simple. But now windows method comes out and in my eyes its more hassle than using a dos method.
I do understand that some people cannot use dos or that they are intimidated by it but it is so stragiht forward and you are using commands that are predefined for what we are doing so it isnt like you can click the wrong button or something.
I think allot of issues users have can be avoided if they new what they where doing. Some also take added steps that do not need to be done (like restoring a samsung/BenQ to original firmware before re-flashing with iXtreme).
I have used both methods DOS and Jungle Flasher and just prefer doing it all in Windows using Jungle Flasher. At first it took me a few tries to get everything set up properly in windows for Jungle Flasher to work. But ever since that I have done 10 to 15 without a hitch.
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24. March 2009 @ 12:37 |
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well i also use an old junk dell to flash with that i never use for anything else so booting into windows on that box is an extra step to me. my windows boxes are setup to do other things that i dont like to hasle with taking them down all the time to flash. But not everyone has old PC laying around.
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24. March 2009 @ 15:35 |
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lol i have tons of old pc's laying around dying!
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24. March 2009 @ 15:46 |
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I dont think that mod disk works with hitachi, does it?
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24. March 2009 @ 15:54 |
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i dunno stealth says it does. I think I only have about two more flash's left in me anyways, because by then we should be seeing next gen consoles coming out. Hopefully ;)
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24. March 2009 @ 15:59 |
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Next Gen..... I bought my 360 the day it came out and I still feel like I just got it. I`m not looking forward too paying $700 for a new system anytime soon.
From NFO :
360 Modification Disc v1.52 by FrostyTheSnowman
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Features:
- Complete Modding Solution for Samsung/BenQ/Lite-On
- iXtreme v1.51 (12x) Firmware
- Supports Samsung TS-H943
- Supports BenQ VAD6038
- Supports Lite-On DG-16D2S
- Supports Previously Modded Drives
- Supports Previously Spoofed Drives
- 100% DOS Based Dumping & Flashing
- Supports FAT32 & NTFS Filesystems (WinXP/Vista 32-Bit & 64-Bit)
- Fully Automatic Dumping & Flashing
- Step-by-Step Instructions
- Backup of all drive-related files to HDD
i dont see anythin on hitachi
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24. March 2009 @ 16:31 |
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i dont think it does hitachis, i have never ran across one so far though. sorry bout that i hadnt looked at the hitachi option or lack thereof
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24. March 2009 @ 17:52 |
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Budlight makes flashing a drive very easy.
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24. March 2009 @ 23:43 |
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Originally posted by bd911:
Budlight makes flashing a drive very easy.
Haha, when the first liteon flash came out, my friend let me test it out on his box. I told him only way I would want to do it is with the company of some beer, bud light it was, and the flash was a success
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25. March 2009 @ 00:15 |
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I just flashed my hitachi 78fk, I first tried with Jungle Flasher following a Very good Tutorial withpictures and everything but no matter what I did I could not get the program to see my drive. Long story short(very long :P) I used the trick I posted to get into mode B and flashed with Firmware ToolBox, took 2 minutes. I dont know if it is just me but JF seems complicated for no reason. MAD RESPECT 2 Team Jungle for all their hard work though
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25. March 2009 @ 00:20 |
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I understand where your coming form Homesick, I miss the FLAHS16s.bat and Restore.bat good ole days..I agree that some of the flash methods now have gotten more difficult, now Mode-B has gotten alot easier no doubt about that..
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25. March 2009 @ 21:40 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
Originally posted by bd911:
Budlight makes flashing a drive very easy.
Haha, when the first liteon flash came out, my friend let me test it out on his box. I told him only way I would want to do it is with the company of some beer, bud light it was, and the flash was a success
I knew I wasn't alone in this "budlight" phenomenom!!!
Sometimes when budlight is mixed with precisely the right amount of Dr. McGilicuddy's things go hell in a handbasket. Flash included. Xbox360's don't drink much, but my laptop drinks beer all the time!!!
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25. March 2009 @ 21:47 |
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Originally posted by bd911:
Sometimes when budlight is mixed with precisely the right amount of Dr. McGilicuddy's things go hell in a handbasket. Flash included. Xbox360's don't drink much, but my laptop drinks beer all the time!!!
I had to google Dr. McGilicuddy's ...first time ive heard of that one. Where i grew up white lightning was the preferred liqour of choice.
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25. March 2009 @ 21:57 |
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Originally posted by stealthdf:
Originally posted by bd911:
Sometimes when budlight is mixed with precisely the right amount of Dr. McGilicuddy's things go hell in a handbasket. Flash included. Xbox360's don't drink much, but my laptop drinks beer all the time!!!
I had to google Dr. McGilicuddy's ...first time ive heard of that one. Where i grew up white lightning was the preferred liqour of choice.
Thread officially highjacked, sorry Homesick.
I just had to google then wiki white lightning, is it moonshine? Or is there a brand name named White Lightning?
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25. March 2009 @ 21:59 |
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moonshine. i grew up in the appalacians...yea hijack umm sorry OP
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25. March 2009 @ 22:57 |
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Same here I miss the dos flashing.I had a 1 gb card with every thing on it.Let it boot, type what your flashing then done.I found myself last week having to read a guide again.I felt like I did the first time I flashed a box, scared as hell I was going to break it.lol I am running Vista so everthing scares me in it I've had it do to many weird things.
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25. March 2009 @ 23:09 |
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i flash xbox 360s for a living.
They become easier and easier.
especially with the new jungleflasher
if you need anything check out my site
http://i'manidiot.com
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25. March 2009 @ 23:14 |
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yea like i said i think it is the different generations, but i too have vista 64 bit and it is troublesome.
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