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12. July 2004 @ 12:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
99% of us would always back up the U.K. It's the issue of where is the friendship in return from western Europe? It seems like we bend over backwards to apease everyone when we don't even have to. I think it's a roots thing for me and England. My ancestors came from some place called New Bedfordshire or something like that about 300 years ago. Have always considered the brits cousins.
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Wouldn't mind moving there but it's the guns issue that keeps putting me off.
If I hadn't grown up in the States and had only the newspapers and Michael Moore to go by, I'd be worried too but the fact is that gun crime here in the States is sensationalized to a large degree and that a good portion of the gun-related deaths are criminals getting shot by criminals and suicides.
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Have always considered the brits cousins.
I'm of English and German descent. My last name, Brown, was originally Braun but was changed a long time ago.



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It seems like we bend over backwards to apease everyone when we don't even have to
You should read the thread on peoples views of America. America dont try to meet other peoples needs, America looks after number one and anything that relates to its prosperity.

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Why should we be responsible for the rest of the world? We have 280 million people to worry about.
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Yeah, thats fine to worry about your own people. Thats what a nation should do. But sometimes America intervens where it is not wanted and thats why there is a lot of hatred towards them. I for one like America, despite what i say in the World Opinion thread. I holiday there quite regularly. But....alas, i do think they have brought us into a world of looking over ours shoulders a lot....

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But sometimes America intervens where it is not wanted and thats why there is a lot of hatred towards them.
So the US intervenes in country "A" ... the citizens of country "A" dont like that... that makes sense.... but at the same time, citizens of coutnry "B", "C" and "D" start to not like the US either....... now that doesnt make much sense!

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Don't blow up our buildings and you won't have to look over your sholder. If America goes too far for its own people we will put an end to it, we don't worry about back seat drivers.
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It funny to read an american versus a Canadian and a UKer.

The problem is its taking too long for the people to rise up against the problems in the states. And early on, the ones that did were called unAmerican and were treatend with prison time. It was not a good time in the USA in 2002. I know as I was living there during that time. You really needed to watch what polical statements you made.

About the film, I haven`t seen it yet and do plan on seeing it. But I know the Moore style, I am expecting his own twist on the facts. In a tv nation episode he made Disney world look like the Hilter SS. And talking to Cast members (staff) they love there jobs. Free rent, good food and really good pay. So you have to really question the `facts`.

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Do you think that maybe people take too long to rise up because they don't see it as a problem? One persons problem may not be shared by others. Don't mean to be an ass(arse). Different strokes for different folks.
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I know I'm really late on this, but I'm new. I just want to comment that I have seen Michael Moore's movie on gun control in America, Bowling for Columbine, and I was impressed. I was glad someone out there is expressing what I can not since I'm only 16. And since I am a female, my opinion isn't as valuable, but I would like a chance. Michael Moore may have his opinions like everyone else, but his documentaries are still full of facts that are kept from us. Our country is so blind to what's really going on because our very own one-sided media doesn't cover the whole truth. I haven't been able to see Fahrenheit 9/11 due to it's R-rating. The only reason it was rated R was the fact that it had war scenes in it. The funny thing is, they have the same content shown on our 6 o'clock news. The rating was to keep the younger audience from seeing it, which I don't understand. Anyway, back to Michael Moore. It seems that our country is evenly split with views on his work. Either people love him or hate him. I look up to Michael Moore and I feel he has made a difference in my life. I just wanted to show that not everyone in the United States hate him. He's my version of a true American hero.



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just put yourself in front of the firing squad :P


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I for one am not worried about the Canadian pple having guns, I have enough ammo to last a week (1,000 rds 9mm, 38 S&W, 50 cal Black powder, 22 rifile w/ 36 rd clips and 200 rds of 44mag spec.

I've got my share of Canadians covered, Hey Neph, can you cover a section of border ?







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I have seen Michael Moore's movie on gun control in America, Bowling for Columbine, and I was impressed
Some people were. Do you realize that many of the scenes in the film were taken out of context and spliced together to further Moore's opinions?

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And since I am a female, my opinion isn't as valuable
Your opinion counts just as much as any man, woman or the President of the United States for that matter. Don't ever believe otherwise.

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his documentaries are still full of facts that are kept from us
That's what he wants you to believe. There's ample evidence to the contrary. How much do you know about firearms laws, crime statistics and how they relate to the average gun owner in the U.S.? Ever considered the number of people who've defended themselves or others with a firearm? It happens hundreds of thousands of times a year. That's one of the many aspects of gun ownership that he conveniently left out.

He painted the NRA as a bunch of rascist wacko extremists throughout the entire film. Over the years the NRA has poured millions of dollars into bettering law enforcement and passing tougher legislation against criminals who use firearms. How much has Mr. Moore done for law enforcement? Nothing. The NRA has also funded the Eddie Eagle program that teaches gradeschoolers firearms awareness. Among other things the kids are taught to not touch them and to get an adult if they find one. What's Moore done? Nothing.

If Moore truly believed in his convictions how come he doesn't do anything? He's got plenty of money, notoriety and influence to be as proactive as he wants but he's not. He likes to sit on his butt and complain to anyone that'll listen. How many, as you put it, true American heroes were fat loudmouth complainers?


I'm not trying to pick on you, I'm simply hoping to encourage you to not take things at face value. In order to truly understand an issue one must learn as much as they can about both sides of the argument :)



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I'm only 16. And since I am a female, my opinion isn't as valuable
you should never think that way ever!! Only when you do are you opressed.
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I've got my share of Canadians covered, Hey Neph, can you cover a section of border
will take a lot more than just you and Neph to stop me Pete!!!!
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He painted the NRA as a bunch of rascist wacko extremists
But I thought you were a member Neph?
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Moore truly believed in his convictions how come he doesn't do anything? He's got plenty of money, notoriety and influence to be as proactive as he wants but he's not. He likes to sit on his butt and complain to anyone that'll listen.
thats what makes him a good left wing socialist, and people buy that right now in the hard right Bush era.

I still haven't seen this movie yet, but why are we talking about his gun control movie? This I thought was anti Bush, and anti war. But will have to watch it to trully know.

I am right wing, but I like Moore. He straightens me out a little and does make me think the other side.


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I think that Moore put a bit too much spin on his tale. I think the point would have gotten across if he would have just stuck with the truth.

What's truly scary is that since the release of the film, more has come out to support his belief's that to disprove it -

The bottom line, We's in a heap "O" mess now isn't we ???

LOL - Prisoner, carrying all those guns and with no sense of humor, you're pretty scary -

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It happened in Australia.
i know im late but i just had to reply to this. in actual fact the only reason murder has risin in australia, well in victoria where i live, is only because theres a fued going on between local gangsters that has hit boiling point and their just topping each other off like theres no tomorrow(in my opinion they can go for it, their servicing the community), but the fued pre dates the year the gun control law came into effect, those people are always gonna get guns no matter how tight the laws are, but other gun related crimes such as armed rob ect ect have all dropped to a record low. conclusion, the more guns a country has the more gun related crimes theres gonna be plain and simple, but in americas case i think its abit to late for a gun control law, shit its in your constitution that the people have a right to bare arms so i dunno, but put a gun in a stupid persons hand and stupid things will happen, especially when its so easy for the stupid person to get the gun in the first place, but dont worry, the nra would never let a gun control law come into play ;).

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Prisoner, carrying all those guns and with no sense of humor, you're pretty scary
What you talking about willus, no sense of humor!! Also I don't have any guns. I do have a bunch of swords that I could use to cut through. I would like to be just like Kenshen. (Japanese Anime)
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its in your constitution that the people have a right to bare arms
I always thought that should be taken direct. You are allowed to carry arms. That would be so much funnier, a band of americans trying to club people with limbs they find on some old dead people.

But back to Moore, I think I really need to see this movie. Its not hard to make fun of Bush, there was evern a TV show that made fun of him. But I think we will be stuck with 4 more years. Despide Moore's belifs.

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I've seen the Fahrenheit 911 and found it a very interesting documentary that makes you think about a lot of things. Why did America and the Uk invade Afganhistan? To catch the bastards that hit the WTC. Did they catch them? Bin Laden and most of the Taliban escaped last time I checked. Interesting. And why invade Iraq? To end the regime of Sadam, fair enough. But why Sadam and not one of the dictators in Africa? Because Sadam has weapons that are still not found, strangely enough. But I wouldn't go so far to call Moore a hero. He's too fat. Hunter S. Thompson IS a real American hero.

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Moore's message ?
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Why did America and the Uk invade Afganhistan?
A direct link to terrorists there and to see how the rest of the world perceived the USA as an aggressor, Yea, I buy that. Noting that the world was complacent ? Let's take care of Daddy's business from years gone by?

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To catch the bastards that hit the WTC. Did they catch them? Bin Laden and most of the Taliban escaped last time I checked. Interesting. And why invade Iraq?
Well let's see, HEY, I've got an idea, let's get rid of Saddam and play in his oil fields, (No, I didn't mean to say that) Let's PROTECT his oil fields for the good old US of A. It just so happens that Daddy Bush has friends that would LOVE to have an open-ended contract to rebuild an entire country (We don't need no stinkin' bids here.).

The Republicans:
Yea, I know There really are weapons of mass destruction there - and we were just weeks away from an attack upon us from Iraq. Our president would never lie to the American people - - No, it couldn't be so -


My view:
We need someone to bring our boys and girls home. We've lost too many American lives during our invasion of a non-threatening state. We're not wanted there, they're killing us, give them back their oil and end it.



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But I wouldn't go so far to call Moore a hero. He's too fat
Are you saying fat people can't be hero's? What about Fat Albert man, that guy was great and you can't get bigger than that.



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Fat Albert rules! Hey hey hey!
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the nra would never let a gun control law come into play ;)
If it makes it tougher on criminals that use guns they fund and push for it :)



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I guess heroes come in all forms, prisoner. But if you look at a hero as a person who makes sacrifices, like J.C. than one of these sacrifices could be not stuffing yourself with fast food. There are exceptions, off course."Hey, Hey, Hey it's fat Albert."




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I know you did really mean that, I just wanted you to pay attension what you were talking about.

Neph, glad to see no comment on my previous comment about you. Did you the recent on about allowing conseled guns on University campus.

Also now that the assult thing expired, its time to get that AK47 we were all saving up for.

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AK-47 and the Israeli-designed Uzi, remain banned under a 1989 law that prohibits the importation of such weapons.Everything else is fair game, have fun.
 
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