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dvd rebuilder vs dvd2dvd-r
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64026402
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16. August 2004 @ 19:02 |
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ddlooping
Since you have to rip the movie anyway I just rip with shrink. I can remove unwanted audio and rip just the movie if desired. No more programs than normal.
Thus no need for dvd2dvdr. Rebuilder has the edge.
It is moot for me. I never do only the movie. I like scene selection.
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64026402
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16. August 2004 @ 19:24 |
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For reference that is how I put both dvds from Schindlers list on one dvd. Movie only with Shrink then rebuilder.
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16. August 2004 @ 19:38 |
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I'm with you. I like having the scene selections menus. I also like having the movie wait to play until I'm ready. Unfortunately I seem to be running across a lot of movies lately (mostly older DVDs) that I have to edit to make them go to the menu first instead of playing the movie directly.
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erdoke
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16. August 2004 @ 22:09 |
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erdoke
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16. August 2004 @ 22:16 |
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@ vurbal:
It is not so difficult to leave out some space for menus and extras in DVD2DVDR. Sure it is more simple with RB if it works at all. Some Shrink+DVDReMake edited movies give you problems when going through RB (oversize for example). Future RB releases probably will fix these issues.
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64026402
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17. August 2004 @ 03:20 |
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I have 52 movies done with Rebuilder and no problems from editing with shrink. Have you been using rebuilder and having problems?
I haven't seen one problem with the use of DVDshrink in the rebuilder help thread.
If there is an actual feature that dvd2dvdr has besides being unable to backup the whole dvd please tell me. Something that can't be done with Rebuilder.
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17. August 2004 @ 05:15 |
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@ vurbal:
It is not so difficult to leave out some space for menus and extras in DVD2DVDR. Sure it is more simple with RB if it works at all. Some Shrink+DVDReMake edited movies give you problems when going through RB (oversize for example). Future RB releases probably will fix these issues.
I certainly won't disagree with most of this, although I haven't personally had any problems with the final size using DRM and DVD-RB so I can't really comment either way on that issue.
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Chip718
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17. August 2004 @ 06:05 |
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I am using DVD2DVD-R 1.8.1 and CCE SP 2.67 does anyone tweak the encoder settings or do you use the only ones the program gives you? TIA
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17. August 2004 @ 09:05 |
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You must configure DVD2DVD-R to work with the right chip your computer has... here is how it goes
Processor IDCT Mode
Pentium 4 32-bit MMX SSE2
AMD Athlon XP or Barton 32-bit MMX SSE
If you have a Pentium III 32-bit MMX SSE
Athlon or a Duron Non XP 32-bit MMX
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erdoke
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17. August 2004 @ 10:27 |
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I certainly won't disagree with most of this, although I haven't personally had any problems with the final size using DRM and DVD-RB so I can't really comment either way on that issue.
Not only oversizing issues I get, there are rare DVD structure errors as well. It is for sure a problem of RB and RM because any other combination of applications do not produce it. (@64026402: If only Shrink is on the editing side, there is no problem. Shrink + DVDReMake together gives errors 2 out of 10 backups, Not a significant data however, based on around 20 backups).
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17. August 2004 @ 10:39 |
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The occasional structure issues I can definitely back you up on, although I haven't gotten any with the last couple of versions of DRM. Of course, like you, I haven't done enough backups to get the kind of numbers that would qualify as scientific evidence.
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64026402
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17. August 2004 @ 19:55 |
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I concur with Vurbal. No structure errors with the later updates of DRM.
I never had any problems with DRM and Shrink without Rebuilder. The dvd always came out fine.
If I edited with Remake and the dvd was small enough I would use Shrink to make the ISO with no compression.
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erdoke
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21. August 2004 @ 01:50 |
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I was asking around DRM forums and it seems you are right as much less issues come with 2.3.4 Pro. I still use 1.4.6 but considering an upgrade now (it's not for free).
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1Adonis4u
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22. August 2004 @ 06:22 |
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One nice feature of DVD2DVD-R is that you can tweak the end credits to a lesser bitrate than rest of the movie...
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23. August 2004 @ 00:19 |
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3. September 2004 @ 07:04 |
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I know I?m coming into this debate a little late but there seems to be some missing information regarding DVD2DVD-R. It?s a very simple program to use if you're backing up a Pal movie because you can use ifoedit mode under Authoring Mode and everything else is more or less automated. But when you are backing up a NTSC movie it is recommended that you use SONIC scenarist NT and that is a far more complicated setup because the process is no longer automated. Below is a link to the
DVD2DVD-R guide, and I think after reading it you?ll find Vurbal?s guide and DVD-RB the more user friendly of the two for NTSC movies.
http://www.davis28.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Gudie/guide.html
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ddlooping
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3. September 2004 @ 07:55 |
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Very good point, Sophocles. :)
ddlooping, from PAL land. ;)
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erdoke
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3. September 2004 @ 21:38 |
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That's correct, DVD2DVDR uses Scenarist NT to remux on NTSC movies.
Just a sigh: You have never experienced audio dropouts with DVD2DVDR... ;o) Hope that jdobbs will fix this issue soon, though my settop player doesn't care about such problems. :D
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3. September 2004 @ 21:47 |
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erdoke
I've never experienced an audio dropout with DVD Rebuilder of anykind and I've backed more than 60 movies with it. I'm pretty familiar with most of RB's bugs and I haven't ran across any that involve audio dropouts. I know this doesn't mean that it doesn't happen but I hand with a lot of RB users and none of them have reported this problem either. If you have information that you can direct me to that will inform me of this problem I would like to see it.:)
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erdoke
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3. September 2004 @ 22:32 |
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3. September 2004 @ 23:25 |
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erdoke
All of the links you provided were to individuals using CCE SP and you and I know that they're either using the trial version or cracked versions. There's no doubt that CCE SP experiences some problems with RB, but when a problem is isolated and is only being experienced by a limited number of users then there's a variable that's being missed. It could be bad media, they're trying to burn at too high a speed, or there burner just doesn't cut it. A problem in RB should be the same with everyone or no one.:) Thanks for the links they were interesting.
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erdoke
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4. September 2004 @ 00:29 |
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@Sophocles
I don't really want to argue with you on this topic because I just love the way Rebuilder works. It spares me a lot of time and work needed with other program combinations.
Only one series of quotes from jdobbs on the 0.57->0.57a changes:
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...I tested the changes on a few DVDs and it appeared to be ok. But yesterday I tested it on my copy of "Once Upon A Time In the West" -- and for the first time I also got audio dropouts and video jitter. I'm going to post an update (v0.57a) tonight.
I don't know for sure the "fix" was even related to the reported dropouts -- I only knew this area of code "could" cause a problem (as was proven in the fix) -- not even that it did.
It's the part that remuxes -- and builds the SCR/PTS/DTS information for the output...
So it is RB what makes wrong remuxes. It has little to do with CCE versions as far as I understand.
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64026402
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4. September 2004 @ 04:40 |
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erdoke
Rebuilder doesn't have a remux issue.
Your last post showed a minor code fix in 1 version that had never been proven to actually cause a problem.
As for DVD2DVDr not having bugs, your just fooling yourself. It may work good for you but all software is imperfect and requires debugging regularly. It is just a process.
Because of DVD2DVDrs limitations I will not likely play with it at any point. DVDrebuilder makes it obsolete.
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4. September 2004 @ 05:17 |
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erdoke
I apologize if anything I've said gives the appearance of an argument. My point was that if all the problems being reported are with CCE SP users then that just might be a variable. Most of us here use a registered version of CCE Basic. The statement that you posted by jdobbs was also a response to a CCE SP question not CCE Basic I've backed up "Once Upon A Time in the West," without incident. I believe you also stated that you've experienced no audio dropouts. I believe that some people are experiencing dropouts I'm just questioning the cause.
If there?s a problem with RB then I?d like to find it so that we here at AD can provide jdobbs the feedback he?ll need to resolve it. But when some people are experiencing these problems and others aren?t with the same film then that suggests another or unknown variable. When I followed your links to Doom9, one of the complaints was with Deep space 9.
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I have been doing Deep Space Nine backups, but they suffer from the audio stutter. It seems to be concentraded on spots with lots of motion (higher bitrate). There is one place in the intro wich allways has stutter. Also there is a place in the intro where the time suddenly goes to zero. If I try to fast forward over the intro it suddenly jumps a good 7 minutes into the episode. Where annoying.
But the next reply gave this quote.
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Have also made backups of DS9 with several versions of dvdrb but have no audio stutter in my backups...
And this is a reply by you.
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I think that RB does not touch audio streams, it uses the original audio when rebuilding. Do you think that setting VBR Bias to a very low value can cause over-standard bitrate? AND YOU AGAIN. OK, I have never run into something like this with CCE, not even with highest bitrate DTS sound and high bitrate movie (though never went under 20 at VBR Bias either).If I ever experience audio stuttering, will recall this and use Bitrate Viewer.
In every post no one, not even you argued that the flaw was caused by RB. Maybe Donald or I could Poll some of our members to see it this is a problem. But there?s a large number of RB users here at AD, probably more than there are at Doom9 and no such flaw has been reported. The one big difference is that most of us here use a registered version of CCE Basic.
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erdoke
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4. September 2004 @ 10:38 |
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@64026402 & Sophocles
Please don't misunderstand me. It's not about DVD2DVDR and DVD RB anymore. I quit using the first immediately when found the second stable enough to use.
I'm only talking about the infos picked up over Doom9 forums. It seems that this audio dropout issue exists, and no doubt it's really strange.
It seems that any of us could experience this issue if we used the same old settop players as the others. There were a couple of guys who picked their discs and tried it in their friends' players and experienced dropouts even with backups that played in their own player flawlessly.
It is our common interest to find the cause of this issue even when we don't experience it. I think that we are only members of the lucky majority. ;o)
@Sophocles
Sorry but sometimes I cannot feel the slight differences between similar words. English is not my mother tongue, so "arguement" was possibly a bit too strong for what I intended to say. We are just talking about DVD backup and nice tools. :o)
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