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Movies freezing halfway through.
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11. September 2005 @ 17:29 |
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I have noticed that all of the movies I am copying using DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter are freezing up about 40 to 60 minutes into the DVD. I have only tested 3 or 4 DVDs so far, but each one does it at different times. This may affect dozens of movies or even my whole movie collection. Before I waste anymore discs, please someone tell me what is going on! I used the settings as described in one of the guides recommended on this website. Thank you.
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akyllonen
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11. September 2005 @ 17:49 |
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What kind of blanks are you using? Burn speed?
2.4 Celeron;512k ram; 80gig HD; 60gig HD; Windows XP(SP1).
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DVD Shrink/DVD Decrypter.
TYG02;YUDEN002;MCC blanks.
Favorite Media: Sony 8x+R(MADE IN JAPAN)
Laptop: 1.4 Ghz;256k ram; 40 gig HD;Windows XP
NEC ND-6650A Burner
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11. September 2005 @ 17:50 |
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Are you using a good brand of media, are you burning at a reasonable speed, and is your burner firmware up to date? These things all help to insure a good burn and aids in not have skipping, freezing or pixelation of your DVD's.
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11. September 2005 @ 18:42 |
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Hi, I use either Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden discs. The burn speed I left default as the instructions from this site told me - which was MAX. I just changed it to 2X, and it is burning a movie the same or faster than when it was set to MAX (which seems strange.) I will see if that helps.
P.S. My custom size on DVD Shrink was set to what I read in the guide - around 4350. I just changed it to 4200.
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11. September 2005 @ 18:45 |
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Are you using any other programs in the background while you are burning? Does your computer have enough space on it? You may have to defrag your HD first.
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11. September 2005 @ 18:59 |
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@dj928, Help me I'm trying to understand...are you burning at 6x or higher. I never burn faster than 4x, I know some at ad burn at 6x or even 8x, but not many. Make sure you are burning slower than max.
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11. September 2005 @ 19:03 |
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I always disable all background programs before doing a burn (especially my virus program). I think I have 60GB of free space on my computer. It's a pretty new Dell Computer.
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11. September 2005 @ 19:52 |
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@dj928, How much RAM? Processor Speed? I know shrink has certain requirements when it comes to up front ram. I believe it has to be at least 256, many feel 512 is appropriate. That's why I ask. Just trying to help.
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11. September 2005 @ 20:48 |
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P.S. My custom size on DVD Shrink was set to what I read in the guide - around 4350. I just changed it to 4200.
I wouldn't go below 4300 as you will have to compress the dvd or folder in most cases too much and will hurt the quality. The least amount of compression you have the better. Among other things excessive compression can cause playback problems like you are having.
I recommend never burning over 4x at least untill you have overcome your playback problems and then you can try some burns at faster speeds.
Make sure your firmware is current. Give me your make and model dvdrw and the firmware vs you have and I will check for updated f/w.
Defragment your hdd regularly and also keep your pc clean of adware/spyware.
Mort
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11. September 2005 @ 20:50 |
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Hi dj928,
There are several reasons why you may be having trouble playing your backups and need to make all of the following changes if you wish to eliminate your problems.
1. Adjust your program's DVD target size from DVD-5 to "Custom" and set your size to 4200 MB. First, you need to understand that your disc will **not the 4.7 GB that is printed on the disc. Please see explanation at this post's conclusion. Attempting to burn to most proggy's default settings means you'll be burning to the disc's outer-most edge where the dye app is apt to be uneven or, on cheaper quality discs, even absent. Burning to the disc's edge is generally the cause of coasters during the burn phase and may well cause "stuttering ," "pixelation" or complete "freezing" during disc playback. Allowing a small "safety" ring at the disc's outer edge will help you burn even bad media. Once you begin using the "Good" stuff, you can adjust your DVD target size upwards from 4200 MB up to 4360 MB thereby lessening your compression rate and improving your backup's quality.
2. Reduce your burning speed to 4X. When burning DVD videos, burning too fast causes problems, period ! When you see a disc advertising 8X or higher burn speed OR when your burn program OK's a burning speed of 12X or 16X, that speed is for pple copying data, not DVD Video. Attempting to burn at a high speed is akin to driving a car at a constant 80 MPH (129 KPH). Yes, the car will go that fast but you're guaranteed to have an accident when you encounter an unexpended sharp curve or a turn you needed to make. Driving that same car at a constant 25 MPH (40 KPH), will always take longer but, when a sharp curve or turn comes up, you'll have no problem making that turn without a mishap. (We're equating the "mishap" to a coaster instead of a car crash.)
Two things good about my example:
One, nobody gets killed
And
Two, burning at 4X isn't all that slow at all, an est. 18 - 22 minutes for the average DVD.
3. Always use a quality media. Attempting to use low quality medias such as Memorex, "store brands" and the like will only add to your coaster collection. While Memorex are ideal for data, photo and even music backup / storage, they have an extremely poor record for DVD video work.
A note for those considering the usage of Memorex Dual-Layered discs for their new, hi-end burners ~ In several unofficial tests done on Memorex DL discs, they had, as their best, a 33 and 1/3% failure rate. At $5.00 ea. (USD), that's an incredibly expensive disc to use. Again, Verbatim's were the best with a 100% success rate.
A good grade, Hi-quality media is needed for DVD reproduction ! Phillips, Fuji +R's (not the -R's UNLESS they are made in Japan), Sony, TDK, HP, "Branded" RiData G03's, Maxell +R (not the -R's as they cannot be trusted), Sony, Ritek G04 and G05's (not the 01's or the 02's), Verbatim - DataLife, Verbatim - DataLife Plus and media boasting "Advanced Metal AZO" BUT, it must say " Advanced METAL AZO", this indicates a superior dye and dye application on a good composite disc. Other discs such as "Great AZO" are, in a word, crap. As a general rule, the majority of discs manufactured by Taiyo Yuden, Mitsubishi, RICOH are good bets. Only those Ritek named above are to be trusted, the rest should be avoided like the plague. LQQk closely at those discs we recommended, you will see some dye types not listed by us. Those are poor risks even though they are made by the same company. Prices online from SuperMediaStore.com, Meritline.com OR Newegg.com have gotten Ritek G04 starting at about a $ .36 (USD) a disc - and just recently, a "Super Sale" had 100 Taiyo Yuden discs, 4X for $.25 ea.(USD). An added PLUS, they all have an excellent return policy. As a passing note, when buying Verbatim's, they come with a lifetime warrantee. Return them with a copy of your Internet sales slip [I]OR[/I] a retail cash register receipt and a new one will be shipped out straight away to replace your faulty problem one, no problemo`.
For some excellent, online media stores to shop, try -
Mertline.com
http://meritline.com/
Newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-132-...
OR,
Supermediastore.com
http://www.supermediastore.com/media1.html
Shopping around at retail stores can prove worthwhile as well even though exchanging an opened pack of media is next to impossible. ~ Staples, as of this date, offered HP +R DVD's (I LQQked them up using DVDIdentifier and they are made by Mitsubishi) for $18.00 per 50. Verbatim's were on sale offering a $10.00 (USD) rebate on a pack of 25, $20.00 (USD) on a pack of 50 AND Taiyo Yuden where on sale with their 4X, -R, DVD's for $.25 each (USD) ]in packs of 100 just a fortnight (2-weeks) past ~ Think of it, Taiyo Yuden's for $25 ea. There are sales all the time for the "Good" stuff - So you sea, quality isn't always expensive ~
I highly recommend DVDIdentifier as one way to your check media prior to burning up a storm:
DVDIdentifier:
http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/
** The difference of 4.7GB DVD and 4.36GB DVD -
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DVD disc manufacturers love to use marketing terms and sell their discs as 4.7GB discs, but this is not true -- the 4.7GB is calculated by using so-called "Japanese gigabytes", where the power of calculations is 1,000 instead of 1,024 (and 1.024 is the correct way to calculate everything in computer world -- so, 1024 megabytes == 1 gigabyte). Manufacturers do this false advertising all the time so you think you are getting more than you are, They do it with Hard Drives also so if you buy a 200 GB Hard Drive it isn?t really 200 GB it is actually 189 GB. (I just checked both of my 200 GB drives and that?s exactly right. What a rip off - Lol) At any rate, we prefer to calculate the available writing space on a DVD as 4.38 GB to include the reverse math and also provide a bit of room for overhead :-)
Once again, a 4.7 DVD disc can only hold 4.38 GB of information. The "Slide-rule types" will tell you that you can write to 4.38GB - you don't NEED to allow for overhead. I like to adjust the "Target size" to around 4360MB. It's not much difference but it will provide you with a little extra wiggle room and insure that you don't write to the very physical edge of your disc. When setting the size to 4200MB you can actually see a tiny unburned ring on the outside of your next DVD backup. If you are stuck using "el Cheapo" media, this is one good way to reduce your "coaster Percentage". The edge of the disc is the place where flaking sometimes occurs so that your movie might "stick" or "freeze" there.
I hope that helps,
Pete
Sorry it took me sometime to write this post - refer to the part about the DVD Target size to help -
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12. September 2005 @ 07:28 |
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In answer to the previous questions:
1. I am using Taiyo Yuden DVD+R discs currently.
2. My processor speed is 2.8 Ghz with 512 RAM and 71GB Hard Drive
3. I just put my burn speed to 2x, and my recorded disc froze about 3/4 through playback.
4. The 2 DVD drives I have are:
NEC DVD+RW ND-3530A
SAMSUNG DVD-ROM SD-616E
The drivers for both of these are listed as the same: Microsoft version 5.1.2535. I tried to update both, but the computer said nothing was better than what I had.
I will try defragging my computer and see if that helps.
Thanks.
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12. September 2005 @ 08:51 |
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12. September 2005 @ 16:16 |
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Revision F501 for the Samsung
Revision 102B for the NEC
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12. September 2005 @ 16:27 |
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12. September 2005 @ 17:19 |
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Another possibility is that your DVD player is getting to hot and/or over heating. Try the same disc in a different player.
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13. September 2005 @ 08:04 |
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Hi Mort - that link you gave me says that it's for advanced users only and to use at your own risk. That makes me a little nervous. Will this void my Dell warranty using these? Is there a risk in using this? Thanks.
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13. September 2005 @ 09:52 |
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dj928,
There is always a chance involved with updating f/w but it is small. F/w is instructions for your drive on how to read or write to different medias. As new media comes available your drve needs instructions on how to read it and write to it. Flash at your own risk. Follow the directions carefully, remove any discs from drives, do not power down or loose power during a flash, and make sure you select the correct drive.
Mort
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17. September 2005 @ 07:29 |
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17. September 2005 @ 07:34 |
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As owner of a two year old Dell I recommend you go with their ver. of the firmware upgrades. Dell is proprietary in what it wants in settings/firmware. I junked my Dell drives awhile back and just bought my own and installed them. Everything works fine. But it would be better if you plan on keeping these drives to go with the Dell software.
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17. September 2005 @ 09:21 |
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Hi arniebear,
I think dell gave him the wrong f/w for his dvd rom. The firmware they gave him is for a lite-on and he has a samsung.
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17. September 2005 @ 09:27 |
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@Mort81
You are right, now you know why I junked my Dell drives, lack of support. I found that the firmware from Dell usually does not match up with other firmware, if it were me I would flash that Samsung with the firmware from rpc, if it did not work out I would go and buy another they are cheap enough, but that is me. If the poster is worried about warranty he will have to go with Dell's.
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17. September 2005 @ 14:39 |
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I am considering trying the upgrade from the firmware page. But, it says to <<Read carefully the installation notes of your firmware before you upgrade.>>
I see no installation notes. Could someone help me with the specific installation instructions I need to know to do this properly?
Thanks.
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17. September 2005 @ 15:08 |
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The installation notes are something that should be at the beginning of the file before you start it. Just make sure you do not have a disk in the drive, do not have a power failure, and since this is not an external drive you do not have to worry about disconnecting any other USB drives. All you do is download the file, I usually use WinZIP to open it and click on the exe file. It will start flashing your drive, when done turn off your computer and then restart.
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12. March 2006 @ 07:56 |
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I just bought Nero6. Is there any reason to use that to burn instead of or in addition to how I have it currently setup (DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter)?
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12. March 2006 @ 08:16 |
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Other than the fact that you purchased it, no, however Imgburn and DVD Decrypter should be superior when burning to Double Layer discs. You will find Recode to be a little faster at transcoding than DVD Shrink, and the quality may be a little better.
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