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4. December 2007 @ 07:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Priceless?
It's interesting that you say a PWM fan has less vibration. At any speed, using the correct controller, and attaching the fan directly to a PC-powered Molex, the vibration from the FM121s I own is ridiculous...



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Mine will dance across the desk without the controller and buzz like a nest of bees! If I put my fingers right on the fan screws you don't feel anything more than you do touching the top of the case With the cover off you can't feel that the 80mm Stone is even running!

I'll resend the e-mail. Try not to laugh too hard and hurt yourself! Disgusting but well.... Priceless! ROFLMAO!!

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4. December 2007 @ 07:42 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
ok...its like reading a book...so can you use these fans as CPU fans?



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GTR35,
LOL!!
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ok...its like reading a book...so can you use these fans as CPU fans?

I'm not too sure after the testing Sam and I were doing. We discovered some rather startling things about case fans. At this point I would only recommend this one. Just hook it to the 4 pin CPU Fan header and set the fan mode to PWM. It should work superb! Cheap enough too!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186015

We know the Arctics don't vibrate hardly at all!

Best Regards,
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4. December 2007 @ 08:59 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
It all depends what heatsink you have. I use the Thermalright Ultra 120, which can take 120mm case fans. The fan I have on it is alright and earns me good temps, but for a quad core environment you might need it to be above minimum speed, where it's not exactly silent.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Scythe-Kaze-12cm-W...1QQcmdZViewItem



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pretty good...i'll see if i can get it...what about ZALMAN CNPS 9700 NT? its a CPU fan...

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It's huge and also quite loud, but it'll get the job done. Not as well as the Ultra 120 though, I might add.



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oh ok...so ZALMAN CNPS 9700 NT is a fan + heatsink in 1...and thermalright ultra 120...is just a heatsink...thats why you need another 120mm fan...i see, i see...

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The point being that the fan included with the 9700 is very noisy at full speed, and will only cool as well as an Ultra 120 at less than half fan speed (nice and quiet), my example using a Scythe S-Flex 1600rpm fan, 31dB @ 1600rpm. The 9700 is around 39dB @ 2200rpm.



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ok...it getting clear now...

actually i want silent fan that cools very well...it seems Scythe S-Flex fits...what does it look like?...sammorris could you post a photo of your rig?



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Sure thing, what sort of photo? What angle, what parts am I illustrating?
I'll basically say, I can run my PC pretty much silently using Scythe fans. With the silverstones I had to turn them down so far to get them silent that it was difficult to keep my system cool.
Is this the sort of thing you're looking for?


hehe, I know the cables are a bit of a mess. Some of my power cables are a bit on the short side, so I'm not yet able to tie them up.
You'll also notice the bottom fan slot is currently empty. Cold air is naturally drawn in through there currently.

Note the fanless graphics card, and the position of the side fan. This effectively acts as my GPU's exhaust. It being 120mm (and a Nexus Realsilent) means that undervolted to 7V, it manages a sound level of 18dB at 600rpm and 25CFM. The White fan on the CPU is a Scythe Kaze White (White LEDs, but the flash doesn't show them up!) which is the same as the Black S-Flex SFF21F to the rear. Both run at 6V, 800rpm and 35CFM and produce around 20dB of noise. There is another S-Flex hidden in the front of case running at the same speed, my intake fan. There are two 80mm fan slots on my case, one at the top, and one at the bottom. Although there is a Hiper 80mm fan currently configured as exhaust at the top, I've found air naturally flows IN through that port, so I may reverse the fan. it is currently off, but when running is at 4V, 650rpm, 12CFM.
The only other fan in my PC is that in the Toughpower PSU, a 140mm Yate Loon D14S-M12, which is always running at minimum speed, a somewhat high and noisy 1050rpm, producing 25dB and 50CFM. I'd ideally change this for a Corsair (22dB @ 700rpm) but I simply can't justify the cost for that change at present.

Total airflow throughput: 110CFM.
Temperatures:
Idle:
CPU 36C (heatsink temperature c. 30C)
Motherboard 26C (heatsink temperature 42C)
GPU 45C (heatsink temperature c. 45C), GPU VRM 60C
Load:
CPU 42C (heatsink temperature c. 40C)
Motherboard 32C (heatsink temperature 50C)
GPU 75C (heatsink temperature c. 72C) GPU VRM 90C

The Blue box in the top right is a Nexus drive-a-way used to silence my hard drive. There is an additional black one higher up.



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HOLY 5h!t!...i never knew your CPU cooler was that huge!...white fan...awesome...
lol...messy cable...will it affect the air circulation?

oh i was reading the review for ANTEC 900...they say the cooling is not as good as imagined...and sammorris is your NZXT series case good?



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I personally think the NZXT Lexa's a brilliant case. The only thing that ticks me off about it is the PCI backplate 'tool-less' install, which is a bit naff, but then imo so is the method by which you install hard drives in the 900. This comes from personal experience as I own both cases. I'd recommend either, but from a silent gaming PC perspective, the NZXT wins. If you want brute-force extreme cooling, go for the 900.





Camera flash really shows up the dust! :O They need a clean!

I've always been a fan of cases that are more stylistic than 'robotic' in their design. Granted, somebody told me the Lexa fell into that category, but well, I suppose that rather depends on taste.

If I were to build my PC again today, I'd still go with the Lexa. However, I've always loved these:
http://www.ocia.net/aboutus/playasetup.jpg



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lol...brute-force...i want silent and cool case...and spacious for good air circulation...

i have some case in mind...

-NZXT Lexa
-Antec 900

-thermaltake armor
-thermaltake kandalf

the first two are inexpensive mid-tower and the other are expensive full tower...which one of these fits my expectations?

oh does the controller come with 900?

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I updated the post above.

As for the Full tower cases, they give you more room to work with, but they are heavy, and don't often offer any benefits with regard to airflow. The Thermaltake cases offer a vast 25cm fan on them, but in all honesty, it's even less effective than the 20cm on the 900. All size and no purpose. You can cool a PC perfectly well with 120mm fans, as the NZXT Lexa shows.
I'd still say the cooling on the 900 is good, but not exceptional, certainly not without the fans on high anyway, and that makes a huge racket.
As for the cabling, yes keeping them neat improves airflow and temps, but I still do fine with my cables as seen above!



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yeah...tru tru...well mid-towers are cheaper and good cooling...

wow...i love the setup too...is that the computer the big thing with 6 fans...



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The big thing with 6 fans?
There are two "big things with 6 fans". The one in the NZXT Lexa is my gaming PC, the one in the Antec 900 is my fileserver. The small box to to the right of the first picture is a dual external hard drive box.



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lol...i was talking about this
http://www.ocia.net/aboutus/playasetup.jpg

and i love your rigs...i'm jealous...could you take a pic of your whole setup...monitor, keyboard etc...please...

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GTR35,
I want to try one of these some day. Talk about good airflow! LOL It comes with 2 250mm fans that are very slow turning.




It's so ugly, it's cute! This is what it looks like in the dark!




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I got me a Thermaltake Armor case, lets see how that works out.
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damn theonejrs that case sure is bright in the dark...i bet 900 is even brighter...

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GTR: Hehe yeah, that's a PC in there. Now that's some oldskool cool right there. As for my setup, sure. However, I'll need to do some tidying up first!
Russ: Believe it or not, the Xclio cases aren't actually that great for cooling. The two vast 250mm fans suck air in, and there's only a single 120mm exhaust. I think you can see where this is going...

As for the brightness of the Xclio, I'd say they're about even. I've seen an Xclio case like that, and I of course own a 900. The Xclio case is bright because the area of the illuminated fan is so large.



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@sammorris ok...lol...

so...hmm...more exhaust is better than intake...

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No, it just needs to balanced. I'm sure you realise that two 250mm fans are going to generate far more air than one 120mm.



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sammorris,
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Russ: Believe it or not, the Xclio cases aren't actually that great for cooling.

I know that but like I said, it so ugly it's cute! Cheaply made too! LOL!! note the rear exhaust with the 80mm holes and the 92 and 120mm mounts with no holes. Put a 120 in that and I bet it would be quite loud! ROFLMAO!

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so...hmm...more exhaust is better than intake...

That is true. Keeps the dust way down too!







I left the front fan stock Cooler Master, removed the CPU vent and replaced it with a Silverstone 80mm blowing out at about 27 cfm and installed a Silverstone 120mm 110 cfm fan blowing out at the rear at 1400 rpm at 73 cfm. The air vent below the fan draws plenty of airflow into the case cooling the video card.

Here's with the door open! I like this case so much because it has excellent airflow in all the right places and it looks real nice. The solid Aluminum door has tiny magnetic catches that match up to the face screws so no scratches. Here's what my drive bays look like. The Asus DVD rom looks darker, but actually it's a trick of the light. I bought the proper color spray paint and did the Floppy myself because I couldn't find a silver one!




I wish it had a window, although it's a bit quieter than the window case it replaced. I use these for all my customer builds now. You can also reverse the door in about 20 seconds without tools. You get "0" dust around the drives! No Beards and Eyebrows (Brook Shields)! LOL!! She's gonna kill me for that, but she'll get over it as she's a good friend. Has been for years!

I think it's rather nice looking and it does a great job of cooling the way I have the fans set up and my cooling is second to none!

Best Regards,
Russ

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