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The Official Cooling Thread!
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15. August 2007 @ 15:12 |
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lol what degree? I'm still in high school, I still have an year to go, then off to USUHS.
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15. August 2007 @ 15:53 |
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Electronic Engineering.
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15. August 2007 @ 16:00 |
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Is that why you are so interested with computers?
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16. August 2007 @ 01:40 |
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Well, given my less than awe-inspiring performance this year, I may well be changing to do a Computer Science degree....
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Mike951
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29. August 2007 @ 13:38 |
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Hi, I just built a new computer with an ECS G33T-M2 Motherboard, an Intel Core 2 Duo E6750, 2gb of Corsair 6400 (800mhz) synched ram, and a 300w Power Supply (have yet to get the vid card and better power supply).
Anyway, here's the deal, when I first got everything running my CPU was reporting temperatures of 100 degrees Celsius on idle, while the system itself was reporting at 50 degrees Celsius, I added in 2 fans and the processor then reported at 90 degrees C. idle, So after looking around a bit I heard that maybe my cpu fan needed to be remounted.
I did that and the temperature went down to 38 C. on Idle (38 is the max as said by manual) with the system temperature having little or no change.
Now the CPU is reporting temperatures of 40-45 on idle and as high as 70 on load (WC3) while the system temp remains relatively the same (Sys Temp is max of 70). Why is it reporting so high? and is there anything I might do to fix this problem?
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29. August 2007 @ 14:00 |
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What are you using to check temps. Try core temp, look for it on google.
EDIT: Did you reapply the arctic silver when you remounted? BTW what HSF are you using.
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29. August 2007 @ 14:42 |
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Mike951,
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Now the CPU is reporting temperatures of 40-45 on idle and as high as 70 on load (WC3) while the system temp remains relatively the same (Sys Temp is max of 70). Why is it reporting so high? and is there anything I might do to fix this problem?
A little more info would be helpful, especially considering the fact that the 6750 is normally a very cool running chip! What kind of case is all this in? What kind, size and CFM are the fans and where are they located? What are you using for a CPU Cooler?
My personal experience with ECS has been poor, ranging from very poor quality to non-factual information. The only one I bought was a CPU/MB combo with a P4 3.0/800 prescot. It said Northwood and Prescot compatible on both the box and in the manual. It wasn't. Fry's finally gave me back my money for just the MB and I kept the CPU. I've also worked on a number of them and find that every one I've come across have poor quality construction and aren't very good for any kind of overclocking. The shame is that the E6750 is a great CPU and definately deserves a better MB. I'll be putting one in mine to replace an E4300 in the next 4-6 weeks. I have a GigaByte GA-965P-DS3 v1.33 MB and it's gonna rock in it. Not a whole lot more money than the ECS you have goes for.
It you download CoreTemp, be careful. Some motherboards (like mine) are not compatible with it. On mine it resets the computer almost as soon as the program starts. Works fine on the V1.0 MB, but not the 1.33. This is the next revision up from mine:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128012
As you can see, the price difference is not that much. Lot's of overclocking adjustments and far superior to what you have now. That CPU will scream in that MB! I know everyone is jumping up and down about the new P-3x motherboards, but all the 965P and G chipsets "teething" problems are behind them so for now until the newer chipsets have some time to prove themselves, I stick with the 965!
Best Regards,
theone :>}
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29. August 2007 @ 15:17 |
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I prefer the 965s, they are proven overclockers, and I agree VERY MUCH on the quality of ECS motherboards, they are horrible.
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Mike951
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29. August 2007 @ 17:01 |
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#1:Is arctic silver the silicon stuff you put on the cpu/fan mount? If so I got more of it and reapplied it. What does HSF mean exactly? I used the bios and Core Temp, the latter usually reports 44C for Core #0 and same or similar for Core #1. The bios reports 40C. at the same time and the system temp is generally at or below 50C. . Heres a screen of core temp: http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coretempky9.png
#2:Thanks for the replys, I got the MB as part of a package deal but I will consider your info. I am using an ATX case and I only have the specs on 1 of the fans, I may be able to find the other one later. The cpu fan came with the processor if you'd like specs on it I'll try to find them, it consists of a Heat sink/Fan combo. The specs for one of the fans is as follows:
Fan Size: 80 x 80 x 25mm
12Volt, 0.96 Watt, 0.08 Ampere Current with +- 10% for all.
R.P.M.:2200
CFM: 27.50
The second fan fits a normal atx case in the mounting below the power supply, I'll try to get specs on it later.
Edit/P.S.:Almost forgot, both fans are located on the back and suck out air. I just found out that the friend of mine who got the first fan just took it off some power supply. The case isn't pretty and at the moment and I'm just making due with what's available. The case is a bit interesting and the 1st fan is actually near where the expansion cards would go, the 2nd(power supply fan) goes in the standard place.
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29. August 2007 @ 17:10 |
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Do you have a link to your case? HSF means Heatsink and Fan. I was asking what kind of heatsink did you get. BTW are those temps idle or load?
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Mike951
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29. August 2007 @ 17:28 |
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You can see the what kind of heatsink/fan are on the cpu from my previous post. Those temps are idle >_< , the load temps can get rather high. (70C. is the highest it has reported after the re-seating of the CPU HSF, for now...)
P.S. Sorry I don't understand a lot of things but what do you mean by link?
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29. August 2007 @ 18:21 |
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I meant if you bought it online, could you give a link to a webpage that is selling it so we know what it looks like. A picture would work as well. 70C is really too high.
You posted the fan specs of the HSF but I could have the same fan on two different HSF and it could have a HUGE difference. The design of the metal part is very important, that decides how good it will cool. I'm guessing you have the stock Intel fan, which if you have a new one should give you about 55-60 degrees load at the most. Mine was higher because my HSF was kinda scratched and that really screwed it up
I'm guessing you built this PC yourself so you know your way around one. So I want you to take out the motherboard and remount the CPU cooler again, this time OUT of the case. Look on the bottom and make sure the pins in the plastic attachment totally come out. Make sure you clean the old thermal compound off(With alcohol and a coffee filter or another lint free cloth), and apply arctic silver. Remember with AS less is more and don't apply too much. Check their website for instructions.
If you don't understand any of this then let us know and I will try to post pics.
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29. August 2007 @ 18:27 |
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The cpu fan came with the processor
looks as though he is using stock cpu hsf. I would ditch the ECS mobo and also pick up a descent aftermarket performance hsf.
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29. August 2007 @ 18:30 |
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Yeah a Freezer 7 Pro is only 30 bucks and it turned out pretty good. BTW if you want a new power supply AND a new case look into the Ultra GRID(no it doesn't stand for the older AIDS name) case with the 700W XVS modular power supply. So far I haven read a negative review for that power supply and they all mention that the PSU that it comes with is very good.
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29. August 2007 @ 18:38 |
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including the 965 chipset, the 975 and 680i are also good choices.
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29. August 2007 @ 19:42 |
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Mike951,
The big problem in not knowing what the case looks like is we have no idea of how the air flows through it or how the case is vented. For instance I tailored the airflow on mine to the venting on the case. It would more than likely work as well for any similar design. Here's 2 views of my Cooler Master Cavalier case. The cooling is light years better than it was in the stock configuration!
I left the front 80mm intake fan as is, I installed a Silverstone 120mm FM-121 in the rear running at 1400RPM. I replaced the CPU air duct with a Silverstone 80mm FN-83 blowing out, at 1300 rpm. If you notice there is an air vent below where the CPU air duct usually is as well as air vents on the back of the case. Those fans working together draw more air than the front fan can provide making the side and rear vents pull more air in than you would normally get. This only works well with cases that have the same type of venting. That's why I'm not too fond of most window cases as most have no air vent on the clear cover, only a fan, usually blowing in. If I knew what your case looked like I would have a better idea of what you will need to do to better ventilate it!
Best Regards,
Russ
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29. August 2007 @ 20:08 |
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theone,
my CM mystique case is very similiar except it has a 120mm front fan (which I replaced with a 3 speed antec) and I don't have any fans on my side panel (although a 80mm fan will screw right on). it would most likely cool a little better with a 80mm side fan but I don't like wires hooked to the side panel and besides after the chipset mods I'm content with my temps.
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29. August 2007 @ 20:19 |
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What do you mean chipset mods?
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29. August 2007 @ 20:59 |
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What do you mean chipset mods?
I pulled the NB and SB heatsinks and reseated them with AS5. I then added a 40x40x20mm chipset fan to each of them. dropped my mobo temp close to 15 degrees C.
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29. August 2007 @ 21:04 |
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Mort81,
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my CM mystique case is very similiar except it has a 120mm front fan (which I replaced with a 3 speed antec) and I don't have any fans on my side panel (although a 80mm fan will screw right on). it would most likely cool a little better with a 80mm side fan but I don't like wires hooked to the side panel and besides after the chipset mods I'm content with my temps.
It all started out as an exercise to test the Silverstone FM-121 because I was looking for better airflow, which worked very well. My side fan that I put in it when I built the computer was old, but I loved the color, very dark blue, almost but not quite purple. It started squealing ever time you started the machine so I ordered an FN-83 to replace it. I hadn't noticed that there was only a flange on one side of the fan so I put it in anyway, but not blowing in like the old one, but blowing out. The temps dropped like a brick and my HSF slowed down quite a bit! I kept messing around with the speeds and discovered that with the rear at 1400 and the side at 1300, it ran damn near cold. The reason, of course was the improved airflow through the side and rear vents. It made such a difference and was so quiet I've left it that way.
I just sent Sam a 2 minute sound bite. The mike is so sensitive that you can hear the AC compressor cut off and you can hear me open my lighter and hear the sound the torch makes when I light it. The last minute is with the AC and ceiling fan shut off. You can clearly hear the Video card fan. It's amazingly quiet considering it has 7 fans running, and has improved since the fans were new. Running in the ball bearings, I guess. My HSF rarely goes over 1400 when I'm doing any work or encoding. I have it controlled by the bios under PWM control and it idles between 800-1000 rpm. I'm pretty happy with it!
Best Regards,
Russ :>)
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Mike951
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31. August 2007 @ 21:24 |
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Thanks for all the replys. My case is basically a white box with 1 set of holes on the back, I improvised in the back for fitting the 2nd fan in, there are no other holes, the box is modifiable though (i.e. don't care). I got a Thermaltake CL-P0114 120mm CPU Cooler, I tried it out by resting it in place and turning it on (mounting is gonna take a bit, I'll need to make a little room for things possibly. Anyway, I booted it up for a bit and got idle temps (55C.) even higher than my stock CPU HSF (didn't test at load) I am seriously considering taking it back. Should I do something else to make it work better? Is my generic Z9 Silicone Heat Sink Compound not enough? Please note that the case was open when I tested it, thanks for your help.
Edit:Turns out my CPU HSF is only doing 2 or 3 C. better than the thermaltake (its 90F.+ around here, thus the change in readings). But still, why didn't the thermaltake (Ran it for about 5-10 mins) test as better than the stock fan ?
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31. August 2007 @ 21:48 |
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Mike951,
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My case is basically a white box with 1 set of holes on the back, I improvised in the back for fitting the 2nd fan in, there are no other holes, the box is modifiable though
If there isn't a place for a front case fan, I would strongly advise you not to try it with the cover on. The case has to have vent holes somewhere or it wouldn't be able to ventilate anything. I'm sure you will find some sort of mounting holes for a front fan. If not, you will need to remove the front cover and drill a bunch of 3/16" holes low on the case. When you are done drilling, put the front cover back on the case and you have some ventilation!
BTW, that's another reason I don't like sideways CPU coolers. Makes it harder to get the heat out of the case and any PCIe or PCI cards get hotter because the CPU cooler is blowing their way! If a CPU cooler doesn't fire to the rear, I don't want it!
Best Regards,
Russ
TO ALL,
Anyone having Tune up Utilities 2007! I discovered, by accident that Tune Up Utilities 2007 has a very good memory manager. I don't believe in software memory managers, but this one does some unique things. It will flush the caches for a windows session without having to re-boot. Windows normally keeps all of that in memory until windows is re-started. Makes things work with just a little more snap!
Russ :>)
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Mike951
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1. September 2007 @ 12:58 |
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I feel as though I haven't described the case exactly right, there are no holes on the front of the machine, however there are plenty of open spaces on the back (although only one proper space) as well as removable cd/floppy covers on the front of the case. On the sides there are 4 sets of 32 tiny slits (- - - -) which provide some, if only slight air intake. I'll try to get pictures of the box later. If anyone has any ideas on the thermaltake (refer to last post) feel free to speak up. Thanks.
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1. September 2007 @ 13:42 |
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If you don't care then make a hole in the front and put a fan(intake) there.
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Mike951
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1. September 2007 @ 15:51 |
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Yea, it appears I should get another fan for the front (don't care about front), I opened up the case and turned on the house a/c to 75 FH. (costs a bit thus the reason for around 90FH. in house)and now core temp is reporting around 33/36 C. at idle. I should probably still get something to lower the temp a little bit more (as well as front fan) but other than that my heat problems seem mostly to have been caused by the room temperature. I think I'll take the thermaltake back, get some better in/out ventilation for the cpu, install a front fan and possibly cool some of the hotter running compenents (ram, hardrives and chipset? seem to be running a little warm).
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