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24. January 2006 @ 06:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I recently popped down to the local computer shop and purchased a 50 tub of Ridisc extreme 8x for my Nan. However up on close inspection ie Nero drive speed they produced 14 times better results. So the next day I went to get a tub for myself only to stop at Tesco on the way back, as you do was looking in the bargain (smartprice) section and found 5 dvd-r 8x so I fought id have a laugh and see the ridiculously high pi errors/failures and the results were incredible.

Ps2 cheapo tesco smart price 8x dvd-r burned at 4x
General Information
Drive: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S
Firmware: BGS4
Disc: DVD-R (UME01)
Selected speed: 4 X
PI errors
Maximum: 14
Average: 6.17
Total: 29058
PI failures
Maximum: 2
Average: 0.07
Total: 335
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning statistics
Elapsed time: 6:05
Number of samples: 53307
Average scanning interval: 1.09 ECC
Glitches removed: 0

Ps2 Datawrite yellow 8x dvd-r burned at 4x
General Information
Drive: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S
Firmware: BGS4
Disc: DVD-R (CMC MAG. AE1)
Selected speed: 4 X
PI errors
Maximum: 195
Average: 112.81
Total: 674525
PI failures
Maximum: 2
Average: 0.16
Total: 1213
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning statistics
Elapsed time: 6:05
Number of samples: 53037
Average scanning interval: 1.10 ECC
Glitches removed: 0

Ridisc extreme 8x dvd-r burned at 4x
General Information
Drive: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S
Firmware: BGS4
Disc: DVD-R (CMC MAG. AE1)
Selected speed: 4 X
PI errors
Maximum: 39
Average: 14.06
Total: 73725
PI failures
Maximum: 2
Average: 0.10
Total: 811
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning statistics
Elapsed time: 6:04
Number of samples: 53048
Average scanning interval: 1.09 ECC
Glitches removed: 0


Can anyone tell me wether the results for the ridisc extreme and results for the smartprice tesco are good for ps2 backups as I'm fairly new to this sort of thing any views and help would be appreciated.

Thanx in advance. :)


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24. January 2006 @ 08:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
hi, i'll let someone else answer the PI/PIF numbers, but as to the actual discs (ugh)!!....
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cheapo tesco smart price = Disc: DVD-R (UME01)
- ugh, don't buy cheap crapola media from Tesco!
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Datawrite yellow = Disc: DVD-R (CMC MAG. AE1)
- a-ha, more crapola discs, see my sig for reasons not to use 'CMC Magnetics' media.


as to the burner's firmware -
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Drive: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S
Firmware: BGS4
- it's way out of date, BS0Y is here -
http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1934



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24. January 2006 @ 08:38 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The PIF results are fine, but as Creaky states, it doesn't really matter since we are looking at long term results, not short term. The dye can and will usually change so what results you see today can be totally different tomorrow.

Here are a couple of links that explain ECC, PIE, PIF, etc.

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=80545&page=1&pp=25

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=96285
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24. January 2006 @ 08:47 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
i recognise that first link from Scubabud's reply, it's referenced in this thread of mine where i experimented (a little) with PIF etc - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/193298



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24. January 2006 @ 09:32 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Sorry forgot to mention the burn was produced on my TSSTcorpcd/dvdw sh-w162c but as i can't do a media quality test (for dvds) on this drive I did it on my mums computer she doesn't really burn and if I suggested getting the latest firmware to her she wouldn't let me do it, (as she's like that). So what DVD-R do you recommend because in the past i'v had ridisc 4x and these didn't prove to be too decent either. Im not sure as to go about updating my firmware for the sh-w162c the firmware for this drive is TS08 should I update this and if so how, where and is there a chance it will render my drive useless? any help will be appreciated.

Oh and cheers for the links on explaining about pi errors and failures will read.

cheerz


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24. January 2006 @ 09:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
soz about double posting. cpu acting up!


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24. January 2006 @ 09:42 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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So what DVD-R do you recommend because in the past i'v had ridisc 4x and these didn't prove to be too decent either.
http://www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-4x-dvd-r-media-silver-...

These are Taiyo Yuden 4X DVD-R media and will do the trick nicely.

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24. January 2006 @ 10:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Just wondering if you have a link to buy some 'real' Taiyo yuden 4x dvd-r that will ship to UK as these only supply USA or some 'real' verbatim advanced azo dye 4x (if these are any good) as I'v spent countless hours searching online but to no avail.

Help will be greatly appreciated as I havn't got a job and im down to my last £30, (from buying crappy media).

And if these posts are anything to go by I'll be having about 30 ps2 backups rendered completely useless in the next couple of months.

:(


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24. January 2006 @ 10:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
a-ha, here's what you need 'Verbatim TY' - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/292334

but they're 8x discs. i burn most of mine at 4x anyway, their shipping charge is £4.99 for up to 10kg



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24. January 2006 @ 10:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
will these burn at 4x on my sh-w162c with firmware TS08, soory about all the Q's, its just I don't want to make another mistake. Better to be safe than sorry. :)


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24. January 2006 @ 10:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Scratch my post. Creaky is the man for media in the UK!

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24. January 2006 @ 10:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
lol Scubabud.

...just checking....



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24. January 2006 @ 10:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well many thanks on all your posts as youve all been a great help! Registering with them now. As ive said im new to this sort of thing and theres so many different minefields out there that you've got to be aware of.

Again cheers.


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24. January 2006 @ 10:59 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
no worries, that's what we're here for...

here's what i found so far....


snippet from -http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=139326 -
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TYG02 8x,6x,4x
...so these are the burn speeds you should have on your burner for these sexy discs..

(Verbatim TY use the TYG02 media code). On my LG burners i have the burn speed choices of 4x and 8x.


ps, version TS10 of your firmware is here - http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=2078



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24. January 2006 @ 11:04 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
paul1085

You're welcome and obviously in great hands with Creaky!

Good luck,

Ted :)
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24. January 2006 @ 11:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Right another newbie question I downloaded the TS10 firmware and its in a bin file tried burning it like I normally do so I can run it, but it didn't work. In other words how do firmware upgrades run?

cheers


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24. January 2006 @ 11:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Some are self extracting programs, some are MS DOS and others have to run by a boot disk in true DOS mode. In other words all are different. Go to the site where you received your bin file and find the doc file on How To before attempting it.
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24. January 2006 @ 12:08 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Many thanks to all. Figured it out now cheers :)


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24. January 2006 @ 12:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
yay, keep us posted on your media choices..



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24. January 2006 @ 13:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well iv just ordered 75 verbatim taiyo yuden DVD-R 8x so hopefully my backups will last up until these arrive again cheerz for the info.

How fasts the delivery with svp stores?




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24. January 2006 @ 21:33 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
nice one. usually next day, and you won't be having problems with those discs, very nice indeed



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25. January 2006 @ 03:10 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yeah you were right about the postings/links with crappy media corporation overnight the total PI errors have gone up by 2000 and the PI errors by 200. Really need to get out of this hell hole. Will keep posted about the results of the verb(ty's)


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25. January 2006 @ 03:17 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
yup, keep us posted. i'd buy some more myself but i'm swamped with tubs at the mo, plus wages are running a bit low 'til payday; saying that payday is a mere few days away!, off to svp i go methinks



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25. January 2006 @ 16:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
So am I right in saying that these need to say GG000***** or TG000****** on the inner rim and media code TYG02. Then and only then they will be true Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R? N e wayz should be arriving tomorrow.......
=No more headaches!! :)


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25. January 2006 @ 17:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
TYG02s = GG000xxx (where xxx is the batch number)...these indicate AUTHENTIC 8x DVD-R Taiyo Yudens...

the TG000xxx = 8x DVD+R format with the YUDEN000T02 media coding~ :)

there ya go...the easy way to figure out Taiyo Yudens..

docTY~

Recommended Media:

Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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