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The Official OC (OverClocking) Thread!
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1. July 2008 @ 07:08 |
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its not about money saving (although thats a side effect) its about saving the planet.
what is your power consumption under load and idle when you have it at 3.15GHx and 1.8GHz?
i am sure an E6850 would use less power at 3GHz (and you wouldn't notice a difference between 3.315 and 3) then your chip (E4300?)
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1. July 2008 @ 07:16 |
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Full load it's 220W when overclocked and 195W when not. Given that E6850s didn't even exist when I bought my CPU, and the X6800 that did cost several hundred quid...
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1. July 2008 @ 07:22 |
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(can you tell me how i can find my power consumption?)
i see. fair enough then. but i am sure now an E8400 at 3GHz will consume less power than an E8200 OCed.
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1. July 2008 @ 07:25 |
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I used Maplin's UK equivalent of a Kill-a-watt...
As for the E8200 vs E8400, you're probably right. Overclocking is usually bad for power consumption, but it sometimes makes economic sense.
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1. July 2008 @ 07:29 |
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agreed, you'll be out of pocket more, it does make sense to get a lower CPU and OC. wasnt that the whole point to OCing?
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1. July 2008 @ 07:33 |
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It was until the Core 2 Duos came out - now they overclock so ridiculously much, you're overclocking to reach speeds you can't actually buy CPUs at!
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1. July 2008 @ 07:35 |
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haha thats true.
now you can get the E7200 to about 3.8 on a TRUE/ tuniq/ noctua its mental.
im sure no one would notice the diffrence in gaming between 3.2 and 4GHZ anyways
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1. July 2008 @ 07:56 |
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hmm I don't know, my E4300 and X2 4200+ are miles apart. Yes, that's a far bigger jump, but it goes to show that extra speed is important for games even in the dual core sector. If you see a big jump with those, I see no reason why you wouldn't spot a smaller jump moving to 4Ghz - especially in low ceiling games like Flight Sim X, Age of Conan and Crysis.
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1. July 2008 @ 13:05 |
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im pertty sure there is a point in games where your more GPU then CPU bound (at higher res)
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1. July 2008 @ 13:26 |
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im pertty sure there is a point in games where your more GPU then CPU bound (at higher res)
All games benefit from CPU processing power in varying degrees, but which it uses the most of is generally determined by the game design. Some games rely fairly heavily on a systems CPU and other largely on the gaming cards Graphics processing power.
Clock speed on a processor is relative. It matters only when one is comparing like cores, but to compare different cores is comparing "apples to oranges" Case and point: A D945 dual core processor at 3.7 GHz doesn't stand a chance against an E6600 at 2.67 GHz.
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1. July 2008 @ 14:12 |
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Indeed there comes a point when the GPU will be a limiting factor, but with a lot of games it's actually quite a high level. The CPU ceiling for Crysis in particular is only about 30fps for most Core 2 Duos seemingly, which is pretty dire.
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1. July 2008 @ 17:10 |
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CPU Power Management
Porpper use of power mamagemant can work on OC'd systems and reduce heat to extend the life of your overall system and keep the room just a pinch cooler.
C1E is still the best method to date since it functions on the CPU directly. EIST functions along the system bus to the NB chipset so it uses system resorces to wor all the time. I have not used these other power saving features from either ASUS or Gigabyte but if they indeed run in software then they also have to pass through hardware (usually the BIOS and NB) and are then twice as proned to a failure if there will be one during OC'n. This why BIOS "C" states are locked out for OC'n and why C1E and TM can still function on even high end OC's. I use C1E+TM at a 4GHz OC to reduce multi to reduce system load for things that do not require 4GHz of poerw and heat like surfing the net and viewing PIX or such.
I don't OC to save poewr but when I have a feature that can help system run slightly cooler during idle, I will use it if I can.
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2. July 2008 @ 15:33 |
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Thanks for that Nuck, I'll look into it.
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2. July 2008 @ 16:17 |
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NuckNFuts,
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I have not used these other power saving features from either ASUS or Gigabyte but if they indeed run in software then they also have to pass through hardware (usually the BIOS and NB) and are then twice as proned to a failure if there will be one during OC'n. This why BIOS "C" states are locked out for OC'n and why C1E and TM can still function on even high end OC's. I use C1E+TM at a 4GHz OC to reduce multi to reduce system load for things that do not require 4GHz of poerw and heat like surfing the net and viewing PIX or such.
GigaByte's system is totally based on the demands of the CPU, as the demand increases, the power savings decrease! Still you would be saving some power. You're also doing it all with one less stage, as there's no hardware involved and is controlled by existing, in-place monitoring functions. In otherwords it analyzes the existing data and regulates all the power circuits in tune with the needs of the various power circuits. A very clever idea. BTW!
Eventually we'll see Name brand motherboards with all the same socket, but the motherboard will have no chipset! A one chip solution! You buy the MB of your choice and buy the chip with both the CPU and Chipset you want, along with the memory controller and it will make for one very very fast computer. Pipelines will be zilch! The majority of heat will all be in one main location so it will be a lot easier to cool the computer more efficiently. Just what I see in my "Crystal Ball" (finally got it fixed! LOL!!), that's all!
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2. July 2008 @ 16:33 |
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I have not used these other power saving features from either ASUS or Gigabyte but if they indeed run in software then they also have to pass through hardware (usually the BIOS and NB) and are then twice as proned to a failure if there will be one during OC'n. This why BIOS "C" states are locked out for OC'n and why C1E and TM can still function on even high end OC's. I use C1E+TM at a 4GHz OC to reduce multi to reduce system load for things that do not require 4GHz of poerw and heat like surfing the net and viewing PIX or such.
Makes sense. My board is loaded with power saving features that I've never used before and I'm still studying them.
In regards to CIE and EIST
I turn off CIE and EIST during the overclocking phase and then turn them back on once I've reached the highest stable overclock (the key word being highest stable). Too many people believe that if it boots and appears to work then everything is alright which couldn't be further from the truth.
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2. July 2008 @ 16:42 |
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russ..... we already know that.
its called nehlam. and the x58 mobos.
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2. July 2008 @ 16:56 |
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Eventually we'll see Name brand motherboards with all the same socket
We already have that more or less. All of the boards manufacturers consumer that support Intel have the same sockets.
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but the motherboard will have no chipset! A one chip solution!
I don't think that AMD is going to go for that.
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GigaByte's system is totally based on the demands of the CPU, as the demand increases, the power savings decrease!
You mean CIE and EIST or what we've been discussing. Evey board manufacturer supporting Intel has those same features. With AMD it's called cool and quiet.
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2. July 2008 @ 17:16 |
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Too many people believe that if it boots and appears to work then everything is alright which couldn't be further from the truth.
well said but I believe that for the most part, most ppl in this thread that have their cpu OC'ed have at least ran OCCT for an hour and posted a screenshot to prove it. not everybody but most.
some don't consider that to be a true test for stability or a long enough test but it's better than reaching a certain OC and then just providing a screenshot of cpu-z.
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2. July 2008 @ 17:27 |
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most ppl in this thread that have their cpu OC'ed have at least ran OCCT for an hour and posted a screenshot to prove it.
Agreed! Although I don't think that an hour is enough or for that mater 3 hours. My thoughts are that a minimum of 8 hours of stress testing is required before one can assume moderate stability. I however generally exceed 10 hours without the test failing for stress testing.
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2. July 2008 @ 18:01 |
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Sophocles,
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I don't think that AMD is going to go for that.
I think that's funny because that's exactly who's idea it was in the first place! If you remember back a while I mentioned overhearing part of a conversation between two guys that I assume worked for AMD about a 3 chip CPU that pretty much did just that, putting everything on one chip!
By same socket, I should have been more specific! I did mean each manufacturers, either AMD's or Intel's socket of choice for something like this, of course. I see far more usefulness and versatility in a configuration like this than I ever gave thought to, over 2.5 years ago. Still we know that AMD was working in it! They also have 3 core CPUs in production now! It's something to consider for the possible future.
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2. July 2008 @ 18:04 |
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i have seen other problems in the past.....
ran orthos for 12 hours...no errors
ran Mass Effect for 45mins and BSOD
sooooo in reality, you really have to use the computer after overclocking for it to be a truly stable overclock...
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2. July 2008 @ 18:08 |
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That's why I don't just use orthos as a testing platform. It isn't realistic. You have to test all parts of a system - and you can only do that by surprise surprise, using it!
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2. July 2008 @ 18:16 |
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sooooo in reality, you really have to use the computer after overclocking for it to be a truly stable overclock...
A degree of truth, but it depends on your tests. If someting a piece of your hardware to fail, then it wasn't tested. There is nothing that you can do in normal use of a computer that will match a decent stress test. My favorite is folding gromacs. Your creash means that you didn't completely stress test your CPU and memory. I will do up to two or three test and in at least one test I will set it to small ffts. I have never built a computer that has failed after stress successful passing a stress test and that's a lot of rigs. My wife still uses a Northwood 2.8GHz@3.2GHz that I built back in 2001. A friend of mine is borrowing an AMD Athlon XP2500 plus that I built at the same time.
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nd you can only do that by surprise surprise, using it!
Surprise surprise using a system for even serious gaming or encoding comes nowhere near matching a well run stress test. It is the difference between walking in the park and running a pentathlon.
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2. July 2008 @ 18:49 |
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I'm not saying you shouldn't run a proper stress test, but you should run BOTH. Orthos alone isn't sufficient.
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2. July 2008 @ 18:52 |
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@all
I am getting my q6700 this evening (if UPS is not being retarded). So I put a "window type" air conditioner and will make a duct that will connect to one side of the casing....then I shall overclock that q6700 to 3.6ghz (hopefully!).
I hope it works out well for me.
@Sophocles
Maybe my gpus overheated??? (still on stock cooling - no overclocking)
But it happened...and thats all I can say. I hope that the duct (read above) will solve any of my overheating problems!
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