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Is Shrink too slow?
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sean5775
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7. January 2005 @ 01:16 |
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No really with this DVD nothing I can do to really get the compression to change on it, the menus are small, theres no extras, only 2 audio tracks. I burnt with only the english and still images instead of FBI warnings. theres nothing else I could do short of removing the 32 MB of menus, which would give me 1 % on compression.
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P4 3.0 GHZ
1 GB of ram
windows XP
over 100 GB of hard disc space
No Viruses, No Spyware
Regularly Defraged.
LG GSA-4120B 16X +/- R DL
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sean5775
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7. January 2005 @ 01:22 |
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I have no idea what the cache on the processor is. It is a Intel Pentium 4 530 3.0 Ghz thats about all I know. I bought it June 28, 2004 and It sure wasnt cheap. Thats all I can tell you about it.
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I found some specs, apparantly it has a 1MB Cache
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FartDude
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7. January 2005 @ 01:37 |
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hmm with those specs , u should be gettin alot faster speeds.. especially with a 1mb cache, u did disable the video preview i take it? .. well are u usin the AEC ? disable that if u are usin it then see what the speeds are.
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FartDude
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7. January 2005 @ 01:42 |
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If anything dude goto dvdshrinks website and grab ver 3.1 and install that and see if it gives u faster speeds , I still use it more than 3.2
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rroettger
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7. January 2005 @ 01:46 |
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If it is not a hardware problem, then there is some software that is killing you. I will see if can get a big gun to take a look.
P4 3.2GHz HT 1GB DDR SDRAM 320GB RAID 0
16x DVD-ROM, 12x DVD DL+R/+R Dolby 5.1
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sean5775
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7. January 2005 @ 01:47 |
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Any Quality difference with 3.1? I have never used it.
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BlueLaser
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7. January 2005 @ 02:20 |
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Hi, I'd like to try and help with some ideas too :-).. First off I get about 3,000KB to start and 8,300 KB/sec peak. 17mins 30 secs to backup Star Wars - Phantom Menace a rather large/complex disc nearly 8GB and at 60% compression. I did not delete anything so that I would make it work hard for a test. A lot of other movies take 10 to 15 minutes to get on the hard drive. Then it takes about 5 to 6 mins to write it back out to a 16X +R DVD.. OR 9.5 mins to a -R 8X (using Verbatim) on a Sony DRU-710A drive, ($89 from newegg, lol). My total turn around time is usually 19 mins, 24 mins if I use -R @ 8X. - This is using shrink 3.2 in normal mode. If I use complex analysis then add 10 more minutes roughly. I'm not saying to impress, but to say I think something must really be holding you back and I wonder what it is.
I have a 3.2ghz system so it's close in speed to yours for the cpu. But your system could be way different in other areas. Also rroettger could be right. You really could have a virus or trojan running and not know it. The 10% to 60% when you sit there is not normal. Mine is ZERO to 4%! If you don't have these, I would try these free programs. Adaware http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ - Spybot - http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html to start with and run them. Then CWShredder - http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract/cwshredder_download.html Also do you have Norton Antivirus or similar?
Anyway, my system is 3.2ghz i875 chipset, Asus with 800mhz front side bus. 1GB PC3200 ram at 400mhz with a Western Digital 120GB. Not all the very best, but more than enough to burn fast. By the way. You don't need it that good to decode movies fast. But something must be missing for it to take 90 minutes. There is a bottleneck somewhere. cyberia mentions data transfer rate and that sounds about right. That could come down to your bus speed, ram and hard drive. But still, you mention 1GB ram, plenty of HD space and that sounds really good. The only thing I question is the HD. If your system came packaged, your HD could be really slow no matter what the cost. With a system like yours though it's still hard to imagine 90 minutes. The drive would really have to be slow. But still it's worth checking.
To figure this out, I think a good thing would be to seperate tasks. One thing you can do is see how long it takes you to dump a DVD to HD with DVD Decrypter.. Just simply pulling the whole thing onto your machine. If it takes 30 minutes, then Houston we have a problem.
A great way to take some of the guesswork out is to download a favorite free system test program called SisSandra 2004. It tests your system out for speed. It will find what slow things are on your system and then you will have a better idea. I know it might not solve your problem instantly, but it highlights strengths and weaknesses. I ran it here so you could see results on my 3.2GHZ. I didn't do all the tests but did these: CPU Arithmetic benchmark, 9800 MIPS, MultiMedia 24,585 it/s, Memory bandwidth 4770 MB/s, File system benchmark - Drive Index 29715 kB/s. I couldn't find the 2004 download but here is a link to 2005 version if you want to try and compare. http://www.sisoftware.co.uk/ I'm not looking for your stats to be this high because it only takes so much of a system to burn a DVD.. BUT, I am looking to see if something is abnormally slow. So testing your HD and memory might be a good idea. Would you mind trying this out? Maybe you can try some of these and get back and let us know? Actually I'm dying to know how you take 90 minutes, LOL. Good luck.
Also, Direct Sandra download page is http://www.sisoftware.co.uk/index.html?dir=&location=downandbuy&langx=en&a= See the bottom of the page where it says download.
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BlueLaser
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7. January 2005 @ 02:36 |
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oh, another thing. About your 10 to 60% cpu usage. If you go to task manager (ctrl-alt-del), then processes and click on the word CPU twice it will sort in order the programs with most CPU usage to least. The system idle can be ignored. But maybe here you can spot any programs that seem to make up the 10 to 60% you mentioned. If you see one that is higher than zero to 3%, list the image name on the left and we can look it up. If you run all 3 free programs I mentioned they will detect trojans and spyware that might be slowing you down. You may know these programs well.. Sorry if you already did.. but if you don't, they are popular and considered safe to run. I also forgot to mention that you need to press the "check for updates" buttons in Spybot and Adware. This downloads the lists (definitions) of bad programs to check against. Without updating them, they are nearly worthless. It only takes a few seconds to update.
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mdinap
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7. January 2005 @ 06:47 |
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Im gonna try turning of the AEC off and clean up some other things to help it along. But does anyone know where i can get the older versions of DVD Shrink to see if maybe that is the problem. And also the decrypter, the lastest version, is also taking a long time. The shrink is slower but still, Shrink takes about an hour and a half and Decrpter takes about an hour, making the whole time about 2 and a half hours long. I need to be at speeds like you guys are at - 24 minutes and 30 minutes and 45 minute total times is where i need to be at. And willing to try anything at this point
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sean5775
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7. January 2005 @ 08:08 |
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First of all I don't know if that was directed at me but my CPU usage when Im just idle in windows doing nothing is not 60% it is 5% or less at all times. Right now it is fluctuating between 2% and 4%
I also do not have any Spyware or Viruses.
I use Symantec anti virus and Adaware SE Professional Edition, as well as Spybot just in case Adaware missed something. Im not big on downloading stuff, which is where alot of viruses come from. I have not had any Viruses on this machine since I built it JUNE 2004. I have only had 2 spyware items which were proptly removed, those were back in JULY 2004
I am currently downloading the program you suggested and its taking some time so after I get it and run it, I will post my results.
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dprentiss
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7. January 2005 @ 08:48 |
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I use Shrink 3.2 w/ my Lite-on 16x burner. It takes me about 30 min to burn just the movie w/ no menu's which I really like. Only takes 1 min to analyze that. my CPU usage runs at 60-100% depending on which part of the process it's on.
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1.4ghz pentium M (dell D600 latitude notebook)
80G external HD/ 20Ginternal (shrink uses external)
1G RAM
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sean5775
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7. January 2005 @ 08:50 |
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CPU Arithmetic benchmark 7735 MIPS which is basically withing specs.
multimedia 16048 with in specs
Memory bandwith 1766 MB/S - This in comparason to the others seems to be low. Maybe not?
Drive index 28 MB/s
I basically don't understand this stuff too well, but those are the readings I got for the same tests that you did.
Please let me know if anything looks abnormal.
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ddp
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7. January 2005 @ 09:28 |
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sean5775, what is master & slave on both ide cables???
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mdinap
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7. January 2005 @ 10:00 |
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I have basically the same specs on my computer as dprentiss does on his and i have the same shrink 3.2 and mine is a lite-on 12x. Is it possible that i cant get speeds like in the 30-45 minute range because it isnt a 16x?
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sean5775
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7. January 2005 @ 10:05 |
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I am not exactly sure what the drives are set to. Is there a way of checking without taking it apart?
MDINAP you should be able to get those speeds as should I. That is the purpose of this thread.
How long does it take you?
The fact that your burner is 12 X is basically not relavant as most of us here burn at 4X anyways.
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ddp
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7. January 2005 @ 10:10 |
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got to open case to visually see what is on what cables & what the jumpers on rom drives set at
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sean5775
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7. January 2005 @ 10:14 |
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Ok pulling apart the case in a moment and will post what they are set at and how its all hooked up
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dprentiss
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7. January 2005 @ 10:19 |
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MDINAP - I also ran a firmware upgrade via the lite-on website. I have the 1633sx ext dvd-rw drive. Not sure what drive you have but may want to check out that site and see what (if any) firmware upgrades are instore for your drive. Most of those upgrade are for reading all types of media to write to.
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sean5775
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7. January 2005 @ 10:32 |
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Ok my burner is set to Master, and the DVD rom is set to Slave.
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mdinap
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7. January 2005 @ 10:38 |
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sean5775 - It is taking me about a minute to analyze - an hour and a half in the DVD Shrink - and about an hour in DVD Decrypter. Also my master/slave is set exactly the way you have yours
dprentiss - i have the same type as you only its the 12x version not the 16x version. ANd i went to the website and i didnt see anything that i though was good? maybe im wrong though
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sean5775
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7. January 2005 @ 10:44 |
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To me this seems non relavant, but I switched the positions of my drives around, just something that I wanted to do, and now my DVD is encoding at 5200 KB/s
Could that possibly have anything to do with it???
They are now hooked up to different connectors inside basically what the DVD ROM was hooked to, the burner is now on and what the burner used to be hooked to the DVD ROM is now on.
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sean5775
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7. January 2005 @ 10:45 |
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And only using 50% - 60% of the CPU usage.
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ddp
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7. January 2005 @ 10:49 |
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is cable 40 or 80 wires
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sean5775
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7. January 2005 @ 11:18 |
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Its a 40 pin IDE cable
Just did a test. It opened disc in 42 seconds
It encoded in 9 minutes. I did not burn, just a test.
Now this one did not need compression. I am going to try one with compression now and see how that goes. But so far for one without compression I think im doing it in 1/3 the time it used to take.
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ddp
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7. January 2005 @ 11:26 |
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40 & 80 wire cables use 40 pin connector so is it a 40 wire or 80 wire cable
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