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DVD -R or +R which is best
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ScubaPete
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11. April 2005 @ 17:05 |
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it is more compatible with most stand alone dvd players
True IF you are referring to standalone players 2 or more years old. Within the past 2 years all players will play them equally. DVD-R were the first out and had a run of 2 years before +R even came upon the scene.
As for the best media , I suggest you begin to track the media you support so much to see who makes it.
CMC is about the bottom of the barrel when it comes to consistent quality as is Prodisc. Memorex has 90% of their media made by CMC while 10% is made by Ritek (One of the good manufacturers). Do we say you can't burn with Memorex ? No, we've never said that BUT you might want to keep an eye peeled on your burnt discs to see if they are playable after a year or 2. I want my backups to last - how about you ?
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Memory loss ? This was written about CD's but applies to DVD's as well
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You know those CD-Rs and DVD-Rs that you've trusted your most precious memories to? They could be little more use than coasters after just two years. Michael Pollitt investigates21 April 2004 Are we putting too much faith in the ubiquitous "recordable CD", or CD-R? It is undeniably one of the most useful means of storage around, offering an inexpensive way to save digital photographs, music and files and costing less than 50 pence per disc. If you check the claims made by some manufacturers of popular CD-R brands, you will see that some make bold claims indeed. Typical boasts include: "100-years archival life", "guaranteed archival lifespan of more than 100 years" and "one million read cycles". One company even says data can be stored "swiftly and permanently", leaving you free to bequeath those backups of your letter to the electricity company to your great great grandchildren. But an investigation by a Dutch personal computer magazine, PC Active, has shown that some CD-Rs are unreadable in as little as two years, because the dyes in the CD's recording layer fade. These dyes replace the aluminum "pits" of a music CD or CD-Rom, and the laser uses that layer to distinguish 0s from 1s. When the CD is written, the writing laser "burns" the dye, which becomes dark, to represent a "1" while a "0" will be left blank so that if the dye fades, there's no difference; it's just a long string of nothing to the playback laser. So have you already lost those irreplaceable pictures you committed to the silver disc? PC Active suggests we should forget CD-Rs as a durable medium, after its own testing found some with unreadable data after just two years. "Though they looked fine from the outside, they turned out to be completely useless," wrote the technical editor Jeroen Horlings, who had tested 30 brands in 2001, left them in a dark cupboard for two years and then re-tested them in August 2003. Of the brands tested, 10 per cent showed ageing problems. And it wasn't just Horlings. After seeing the results, shocked readers contacted the magazine with their experiences. Recordable DVDs are not off the hook either. The "dye chemicals" in write-once DVDs are similar to CD-R, though recording density and disk construction differ. "We're in the process of testing DVDs and we're sure that the same problems will occur," said Horlings, who plans to publish his findings soon. Gordon Stevenson, the managing director of Vogon International - a company specializing in data recovery - is familiar with these shortcomings thanks to the experiences of his customers, one of whom commissioned Vogon to retrieve pictures of his second honeymoon from a failed six-month-old CD-R. "The dye layer was fading," Stevenson says, "but we were able to recover most of the disk. But these claims [of a 100-year archival life] are unhelpful and misleading. If you're spending 20p on something, you probably don't expect it to last 100 years," he says. In the wrong conditions, such as sunlight, humidity and upper surface damage, your CD-R will slowly turn into a coaster. "CD-Rs should never be left lying in sunlight as there's an element of light sensitivity, certainly in the poor quality media," says Stevenson. "I wouldn't rely on CD-Rs for long-term storage unless you're prepared to deal with them as recommended." Such views are echoed by the National Archives at Kew. "Generally speaking, we don't recommend CD-Rs for long-term storage," says Jeffrey Darlington, a project manager at the Archives' Digital Preservation Department. "We don't regard CD-Rs as an archival medium. Most of the CD-Rs on the market are not of archival quality." Instead of CD-Rs, therefore, the National Archives tend to use magnetic tape rated for a 30-year life. Also, they are careful to copy, check and re-copy to avoid losing information and this is also a useful strategy for CD-Rs. "If you keep doing that so the CD-R is never more than physically three to five years old, you'll be safe enough. A hundred years sounds pretty unlikely," says Darlington. Not optical media is vulnerable. The rewritable variants (RW) use metallic materials that change the phase of the light, rather than light-sensitive dyes. Commercial magneto-optical and ultra-density optical systems are different too. Stewart Vane-Tempest, the optical product director at Plasmon, the archival specialists, has first-hand experience of unreadable CD-R media. "Some dyes are very robust, but others not," Vane-Tempest says. "The one thing they have in common is susceptibility to environmental conditions. I do a lot of digital photography and pay top price for media. If I have anything important, I generally make a couple of copies. I've not used CD-Rs for long-term archiving." Vane-Tempest also offers a tip. Blank CD-R disks have a code that your CD writer reads to find the best writing strategy. If this isn't in the CD-writer's inbuilt software (its "firmware"), the default may be a poor compromise. Vane-Tempest says that some "less scrupulous" Far East companies have been using other people's codes, with deficient results. However, there is a way around this, which is to find out which brands suit your writer and ensure the firmware is up to date. While such matchmaking is useful, there's no way to assess CD-R longevity at home. All you can do is check periodically. As for whether manufacturers are guilty of using finger-in-the-air methods, Kevin Jefcoate, the marketing and product management director at Verbatim, says: "It's a bit more than guesswork because there's a lot of scientific evidence to back it up." The answer, Jefcoate says, is to use a climate chamber to accelerate the ageing of the organic dye. Using a relationship between chemical reaction rate and temperature, 100-year lifetimes may be argued for normal conditions. Jefcoate adds that he has never known users to complain of age-related failures? "We haven't had anyone complain that, after three to five years, it hasn't worked." It's easy to blame budget CD-Rs when things go wrong. Novatech's purchasing and product manager, Kriss Pomroy, suggests users buy a small quantity for testing first. The PC builder sells unbranded CD-Rs sourced from a Far East distributor that buys over-production from well-known factories. Are we saving pennies and taking risks? "No," says Pomroy, "You can get problematic batches, but that's as true with branded media." The company now sells two-and-a-half times more unbranded write-once DVDs than CD-Rs. The world's No 1 supplier of CD-Rs, Imation, talks of "saving precious digital photo memories" - exactly what many people think they're doing. Semar Majid, its technical marketing executive, hasn't heard of any ageing problems. "Optical media should last between 30 and 200 years," he says, "but it's dependent on storage conditions and how you handle it." He suggests transferring important photos to DVD, and keeping on moving to new formats. Another big maker, TDK, takes a cautious view with DVDs, claiming only a 70-year lifespan. "This does not mean that DVD is more fragile or unstable in time compared to CD-R; this is only because of the shorter experience that we have in manufacturing and testing this relatively young technology," says the TDK product manager Hartmut Kulessa. There have been no complaints about ageing failures. As the oldest CD-R is barely a teenager, there are no definitive answers either. But perhaps the last word belongs to Jeroen Horlings at PC Active. "We see a lot of manufacturers and they think that quantity is more important than quality," he says. "The problem will remain." For more info on CD-Rs and dyes: www.burnworld.com/cdr/primer/whatis.htm; www.xdr2.com/CDR-Info/Dye.htm
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14. April 2005 @ 08:09 |
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I just received the latest Crutchfield catalog, with a nice chart showing compatiblities of the latest players and recorders and the media they use. Keep in mind this does not reflect the millions of old units still being used.
Playback Players:
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-R(W)/+R(W) Denon DVD1910
-R(W)/+R(W) Samsung DVDHD841
-R(W)/+R(W) Sony DVPNC875
-R(W)/+R(W) Sony DVPNS575
-R(W)/+R(W) Sony DVPNS775
-R(W)/+R(W) Sony DVPNS975
-R(W)/+R(W) Sony SLVD350
-R Toshiba SD3980
-R Toshiba SD5970
-R(W)/+R(W) Toshiba SD6915
-R(W) Toshiba SDV392
Recorders:
-R/-RAM Panasonic DMRES10B
-R/-RAM Panasonic DMRE500HS
-R(W)/+R(W) Sony RDRGX300
-R(W)/+R(W) Sony RDRVX500
-R(W)/+R(W) Sony RDRHX900
-R(W)/-RAM Toshiba DR4
-R(W)/-RAM Toshiba DVR4
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It seems pretty clear from the above newer stand alone units that DVD+R is still not universally compatible. However, argument should be considered that many express the DVD+R format has a better method of recording, and that DVD-RAM is the best method.
So, if you want to pass around a DVD of your last vacation to your family, it is best to stick with DVD-R. If you are concerned about lasting quality, it may be best to explore DVD+R, DVD-RAM (according to other replies in the forum).
From a visual standpoint, they are the same, imo.
Heed this: DVD and CD media are not for lifelong storage, and it is universally held that magnetic media will still last longer. Obviously, this is not a viable option for movie storage, until that is we get ourselves some removable HDs with terabytes of storage space. Optical media can fail in as little as two years (the 'burned' bits fade over time, and the DVD reader can't read the bits anymore) and those 50-100 year claims might not be so accurate.
So make back-ups of your back-ups if you really don't want to lose it, and check up on them every year or so. Keep them out of the sun, mark them only with a water based ink, and do not store them in a binder with a DVD cover or paper sheet tucked in with them (Even the Acid-Free paper can be an issue, the ink on the paper can react with the DVD).
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ScubaPete
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22. April 2005 @ 16:54 |
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(Huuummm, seems like the same info - to me . . . )
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movies27
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22. April 2005 @ 17:11 |
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Bottom line dvd-r kick ass ...i use +r for data backup not movies..dvd-r are more likely to play in a dvd player more than dvd+r.
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andmerr
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22. April 2005 @ 19:06 |
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@ movies27
thats a generalization that doesnt neccessarily hold water.If you buy a -r capability player then you tend to buy -R discs.That can also be said if you buy +R player .+ AND - THERE BOTH good.
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22. April 2005 @ 19:17 |
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Bottom line is you don't have a clue... (movies27) :-)
+R disk's if "Booktyped" will play in more players, DVD ROM's, and game counsole's than any other format. If a original will play in it then a +R disk that has been Booktyped will play in it!
-R's can not be booktyped....
Now that being said I do still use mostly -R, but that doesn't make them better they just play in everything I have so I haven't bothered switching. I have burned some +R's and booktyped them just to do it and it works very well if your DVD/RW supports that function which more and more do lately. :-)
Here are some results you may find interesting of course "Booktyping" wasen't taken into account in this..
3208 DVD Players supports -DVDR 93%
229 DVD Players do not support -DVDR 7%
2732 DVD Players supports +DVDR 90%
318 DVD Players do not support +DVDR 10%
Source http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers
258 DVD Players supports DL+DVDR 67%
128 DVD Players do not support DL+DVDR 33%
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22. April 2005 @ 20:41 |
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hahahha bbmayo~ i would have to agree w/ the 1st line of your comment~ :)
all i've seen so far is "memorex works great", "fuji kicks ass", "i only use fuji now"
man, movies27 do you even do any research or do you just have your mind set on what limited information you do possess right now at this very moment?
booktyping a dvd+r will allow more compatibility even more so than you say about dvd-r being the best~ a dvd+r booktyped to dvd-rom has a far higher percentage with the picky dvd players than a dvd-r does. while a lot of times, i use dvd-r myself for backups, but, i have been lucky w/ my stand alones being compatible with both dash and plus formats.
ok, i've said my 2 cents worth, i am not even going to continue with this nonsense. i just hope other less experienced members don't get the wrong idea about this whole thread and go off running to the store to buy dvd-r media solely on the comments made earlier.
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22. April 2005 @ 21:35 |
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take it easy on him guys. He probably has one of those players that plays -R and not +R. Mine plays both, so to me everything is 100% compatibility. Haven't tried DL though, but I'll bet that don't work for me since my player is like 3 years old.
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andmerr
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22. April 2005 @ 22:01 |
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thats no xcuse for those random one liners that we have been getting from him
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"memorex works great", "fuji kicks ass", "i only use fuji now"
REALLY IS IT!!!!!!!
Look at ddp/venom/geestar we get at least 2 lines out of these guys..............(lol)
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andmerr
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22. April 2005 @ 22:06 |
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sorry amendment to last post:
we cant shut venom up
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squizzle
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22. April 2005 @ 22:20 |
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hey you gotta get your post count up somehow, right?
Convert PAL to NTSC or NTSC to PAL------>http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/167922
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22. April 2005 @ 22:59 |
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yeah, if that means something to you...hahaha...im still a newbie here on AD, ask me if i care about my "status", but at least my posts are somewhat relevant and if you do a search for what i HAVE left in the past, you will clearly see that i have responded with lengthy, often times TOO long of a post just to help out another member. do what you must to get your "post count up", but i think to read misinformed information and end up hurting yourself in the process by going out and buying crap and spending good money for it, is a waste of time. have a good one all
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22. April 2005 @ 23:16 |
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I agree totally. I must admit sometimes I have one-liners but mostly I help people (At least I think I am). I've been here over a year now and have about 1200 posts. Some people have been here 3 months and have thousands of posts already.
Status don't matter, but if you look around you can see who offers good advice and who just says "Yeah, I agree" all the time.
Convert PAL to NTSC or NTSC to PAL------>http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/167922
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22. April 2005 @ 23:22 |
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LOL That one made me chuckle
squizzle (Senior Member) 23. April 2005 @ 03:16
'I agree totally'.
Then last part of your comment 'and who just says "Yeah, I agree"'
Nice one, made my day
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22. April 2005 @ 23:24 |
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I agree :)
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22. April 2005 @ 23:26 |
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Yeah, i agree. :)
LOL how's THAT for my 1st one liner? i think i am getting the hang of this, practice makes perfect.
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"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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22. April 2005 @ 23:32 |
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Started something now? It did make me laugh, so much in fact I nearly pi**ed myself. I think this thread must be nearly closing it appears to be going round in circles, and dont anyone say 'I agree' LOL
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22. April 2005 @ 23:38 |
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sorry, i just HAVE to agree with you. :)
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Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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movies27
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23. April 2005 @ 00:00 |
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bottom line is ...what i do works for me & some people i have given some of my loaners too & they play in any of the players my friends play them on...thats my research for all you smart asses i dont waste my time on what some website says ..i do what works so get a life :)
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23. April 2005 @ 00:04 |
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Wow. Who lit your firework! Take a chill pill man. Lets keep these forums friendly, and speak in a manner you would like to be spoken to.
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23. April 2005 @ 00:07 |
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i agree? LOL :)
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Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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23. April 2005 @ 00:08 |
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@ movies27 :
man sorry if you are insulted by the jibes its only in fun.
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23. April 2005 @ 01:09 |
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I read that, ya bastard! LMAO!!! But it's all good, hell I even know that I talk too much, just remember those times in the irc chan, right andmerr?
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Anyways, about the insults, just take it to the "Anything goes" insult thread I did, at least that way you can joke around and insult each other to your hearts delight!
Catch yall later!
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andmerr
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23. April 2005 @ 01:19 |
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lol glad you know i am joking!!!!
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