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Blu-Ray Vs. HD DVD - The Polite Debate..
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H-Pschorr
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14. January 2006 @ 10:38 |
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I doubt it will be useful at the average consumer level in 10 years. It'll take more than that time. We haven't even seen if we can fully utilise 50GB. Much less like 4 TB. There are some 100GB Bluray discs that some Japanese company says they made but my guess is that in 10 years we'll be using like maybe 500GB discs.
I remember articles 10 years ago saying there was no consumer need for hard drives above 2-3 gigs.
I shot 20GB of photos this year alone, with a 6mp camera. Most shots were on medium resolution to save CF card space. I?m about to buy a new Nikon 10mp SLR and a few 2GB CF cards. When I?m in the field, usually over a 4 day span I like to make backups as soon as I have enough data to fill a disk. Nice security blanket incase my laptop does not make it home in one piece.
In car video from my track events is upwards of 75GB this year, I only recorded 1 event. This year I plan to record all 5 events. This was using a medium quality transfer rate to my computer. I?m currently shopping for an all digital HD camera for my car, I would like to shoot at full resolution. What fun is it watching my in car cams on my big screen if quality is knocked down in order to fit on a standard disk? A typical weekend should be a minimum of 4 hours of on track video.
My point is, the demand for even your average consumer when it comes to storage space seams to be climbing at a steady rate. With HD camcorders, it?s about to take a huge jump forward.
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Jkhmmr
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15. January 2006 @ 05:16 |
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Uhhh that actually depends. You're not the average consumer. You're the high end user. The kind of person that can fill in a 1TB hard drive no problem whereas the avergae consumer would be hard pressed to do that.
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15. January 2006 @ 05:22 |
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im struggling on my 120gb and my 40. i keep having to delete things and i am just your
average joe. hd videos for an hour take over 20 gigs usually. hd-games are now struggling to
fit on 2-3 dvds, so imagine another year or 2, 360 owners will have about 4 disks per game.
if one gets messed up or lost, the other 3 will be worthless.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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jontopia
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15. January 2006 @ 10:09 |
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Cant say I understood that last post
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got_boost
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17. February 2006 @ 20:42 |
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alright people, if u want to know (facts) then read this,i've been in home theatre sales for over 4 years now, and gonna give u my 2 cents Blu-ray and HD-DVD is like vhs vs. beta, it's a power struggle and know one knows who's gonna win yet. The only player i know of that will be releasing in spring is the toshiba HD-DVD player $500 and the pioneer elite $1900. I've read they are both backwards compatible, and that the Blu-ray players are having a tough time reading the discs, due to laser issues, and that Blu-ray discs are more prone to getting scratched.....i also heard that if they get a scratch on them, they're pretty much done dealin. As far as costs are concerned, they are saying they'll be around the price of a normal dvd because people won't buy $80 movies, so yes they will lose a little bit of money, but that's to get the technology out....i hear they'll be about the same price as a normal dvd....i'm guessin $25
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teejam2
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18. February 2006 @ 09:49 |
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Going to games shops?!Buying games?!Interrupting play to buy new games?!- thing of the past. The 360 already has xbox live, proving that downloading content without getting off your seat off the internet is the future. Blu-ray vs HD-DVD? neither; both will fail and bow down to the greatness that is downloadable content. all MS need to do is to make a Hard drive with a larger capacity (which i hear they are already doing, incidentally)and make their games available over xbox live to crush the disgrace to game sthat is the pS3.
MIKE AZOODLE. (look at Mike Azoodle everyone)
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afterdood
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18. February 2006 @ 20:20 |
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Sony completely corrupt this should be ethically unbalanced for having a share in market in blue ray copy media. This is because Sony and other media outlets (with even HD-DVD) owning stock in Blue Ray is just as ethical as owning a medical help stop lung cancer fund and ciggaret company at the same time. Heres why.
1. Because of blue ray Sony will make money from people who illegaly copy movies because
they own blue ray and any idiot knows most DVDR sales are (and blue ray writables) will be due
to illegaly copying movies, camcorders are just not that popular nor are other reasons to copy media.
2. Sony then also makes money from people who they sue who copy thier own movies.
See the conflict of interest here? Its like selling someone a ciggaret,
then going out and promoting a fund for Save a life lets stop lung cancer. Who is the goverment and people involved in
anti-piracy and anti-consumerism really supporting? The rich corporations who glutton off our misery and want to turn us into consumeristic couch poptatoes, paying everytime we view something and never letting us copy anything "they own". Its bad enough when we have
people trying to rewrite ownership "intellectual" laws, even worse that we've become our own dupes in buying and ripping copy media,inadvertantly supporting corporations that dont support us by doing so.
What a viscious cyle, were all rats in a wheel unable or unwilling to step off, its sad to see people not comming forward to support and produce pro consumeristic intellectual properties. I'm sorry but when it comes to copying media I agree that it should be illegal to copy and sell it, but I dont have nor ever will have a problem with copying for educational non commercial purposes. If I own a car, I can do whatever I want with it, paint it how I like, etc, you dont see Ford comming in and going..wait you cant do that we still own that car (or my house), intellectual propety shouldnt be treated any differently, I bought it, its mine, not ours. Its pathetic to see whats become when people with money and power buy out and buy off our goverment through lobbying and making laws 95% of its people dont support. Even worse to see afterdawn and others giving in and removing some of thier posts to support new copy protection laws. like drones we go on babbling about new technology 6 months to a year before it hits the market in force.
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Jkhmmr
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25. February 2006 @ 05:14 |
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Ok. teejam u're saying that in the wrong forum. And no matter what people still like physical media. Explain to me now why books still sell so well even though we have e-books, etc. And even so all the XBox live parts for downloading games and such would be very troublesome to Microsoft. You're basically asking them to prevent people from hacking in or plating viruses into the downloadable game content. Just look at their Windows platform. I'd think twice upon relying on downloading games too much. It's a great idea but not going to replace physical discs any time soon. And afterdood you posted that somewhere else already. Don't post here again. It's kind of bad to post similar things everywhere to get comments and replies. Just wait for interested people to reply to you in the thread you made.
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shiroh
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25. February 2006 @ 07:57 |
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the one with cracked copy protection of course ;)
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xhardc0re
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25. February 2006 @ 11:01 |
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If Microsoft goes with HD-DVD, then the format has a chance. But if they go with Blu-RAY, then HD-DVD is *finished*. For something to succeed, it needs to have widespread consumer support. Sony learned this the hard way, with BetaMax superior to VHS but still never being successful with consumers (or was BetaMax = Phillips...i forget). After awhile, Blu-RAY media prices will fall, and prices will be similar to DVD. I know i won't be buying Blu-RAY for my existing titles, what's the reason to? Blu-RAY is really important if you have an HDTV, as the 1070 resolution is so incredibly good. Until they have lower priced TV sets out (give them 2-3 years maybe), there's no reason to get Blu-RAY. Unless you're rich and want to waste your $$$.
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shiroh
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25. February 2006 @ 19:58 |
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well people have been using SVCD. the wonders of china.
so i think i'll still use dvd as i did with svcd/xsvcd, for my HD stuff
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Jkhmmr
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25. February 2006 @ 21:40 |
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Microsoft did already went with HD-DVD. Can I not make my point clear??? They already announced their support for it along with Intel but most of their customers have backed Bluray. And those in the HD-DVD camp are beginning to support Bluray too. And needless to say that Microsoft said there would be no HD-DVD XBox 360 games. So analysts agree that HD-DVD will die out in a few years and Bluray will be the dominant media. Unless they're completely wrong, the PS3 completely tanks, no one gets Bluray players, buy more HD-DVD players and Microsoft makes HD-DVD XBox 360 games which sell very very well.
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mudearies
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25. February 2006 @ 22:13 |
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well i wasnt in any hurry of buying high def. movies but since my future PS3 will ship with a Blu-ray player built-in,then i will buy all my future movies on Blu-ray ,i dont buy alot of movies anyways.
but yeah Blu-ray works for me.
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zrdb
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26. February 2006 @ 16:53 |
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I for one am going to pass on the Blu-ray vs. HDDVD format wars, geez-it's hard enough to get a dvd player that will upscale through componet, I just got a DVD-HD850 and applied the hack. Point is most people are just gonna stick with regular dvds-me for one.
If Life Is Wonderful-How Come Mine Sucks?
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rayfish
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28. February 2006 @ 12:45 |
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The problem here is that the standards are just based on the which lobby has more fire-power. I have been reviewing (of course on iNods) about the standards and I noticed that this is really going to be a fruitless race. First I had complied a corporate list so as to identify the mood of the industry:
I am trying to compile a corporate list and keep on monitoring who tilts the balance. I have been reviewing on this site I came across [URL=http://www.inods.com]iNods.com[/URL] which searches for reviews online.
So far:
HD-DVD
Microsoft
Intel
HP
Universal
Warner Brothers
Paramount
NEC
SANYO
Blu-Ray
Sony
Phillips
Samsung
Panasonic
All major Studios including Tri-Star Columbia
LG is confusing me. Which side are they finally?
EDIT: Sony merged with NEC last monday (Optical drives division) so now Toshiba has lost a great support in the form of NEC
Also it has been declared that the Holographic discs are actually are reality expected to be launched same time next year with a 300GB capacity and the idea is to upgrade the discs to 1.6 terabyte by 2010. It is being built on a completely different technology which involves splitting a laser beam in to two so as to act as a transmitter and receiver simultaneously and parallely.
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diabolos
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28. February 2006 @ 15:15 |
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Good reaserch rayfish.
Most of the questions that you are trying to answer have already been answered though.
Consult the BD & HD-DVD faq:
http://www.bitburners.com/High_Definition_DVD_FAQ/
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3.3 Who is behind Blu-ray?
Blu-ray is backed by the following list of companies:
* Apple Computer, Inc.
* Dell Inc.
* Hewlett Packard Company
* Hitachi, Ltd.
* LG Electronics Inc.
* Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
* Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
* Pioneer Corporation
* Royal Philips Electronics
* Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
* Sharp Corporation
* Sony Corporation
* TDK Corporation
* Thomson Multimedia
* Twentieth Century Fox
* Walt Disney Pictures
4.3 Who is behind HD DVD?
The major companies backing HD DVD are:
* Canon Inc.
* Digital Theater Systems
* Hitachi Maxell, Ltd.
* Kenwood Corporation
* Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co., Ltd.
* NEC Corporation
* Onkyo Corporation
* Paramount Home Entertainment
* Sanyo Electric Co., Ltd.
* Teac Corporation
* Toshiba Corporation
* Universal Pictures
* Warner Home Video Inc.
As far as LG, they have officially backed Blu-Ray but there is a contract between Toshiba and LG that allows the companies to share each others assets in the area of Optical media. Toshiba is using LGs optical media know how to make CD and DVD recordables easier to maufacture.
AD news (Toshiba and LG in optical disc patent sharing deal)
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/7306.cfm
There is also a thread on Holographic Disk that has been started:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/255735
Ced
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rayfish
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1. March 2006 @ 05:29 |
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Thanks diabolos...I am sorry I did not notice the other thread. Thanks again for the great info and guiding me to the threads.
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1. March 2006 @ 09:10 |
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Guys, it's great to read a thread where people bother to do the necessary research before hitting the post button. Some great info in here. :-)
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1. March 2006 @ 12:41 |
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I agree. Research is what truth is made of. Everything else is just speculation and random bullsh*t that someone was thinking about.
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restart
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1. March 2006 @ 18:52 |
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Well I guess you guys haven't heard of ultra Hi Def that they're testing in Japan, a 56-inch screen with 3840 x 2160 pixels with a data transmission speed of over 1.4 gigabytes per second. Shows you that the bluray HD-DVD technology is already obsolete, it's just a matter of time.
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SirRanRap
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1. March 2006 @ 23:40 |
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"A 56", 3840 x 2160 LCD TV or nothing
A manufacturer called CMO or Chi Mei Optoelectronics Corporation, one of the 3 biggest LCD screen suppliers, announced yesterday that they developped the first 56" QFHD LCD TV or Quad Full High Definition 3840x2160 with 8.29 million pixels. This is like 4 times more than a regular 1920x1080 TV, and a world record."
cooool
although i dont think that makes HD-DVD or Blu-Ray opsolete. infact something like this makes the need for more space on dvd more important. and i know what your going to say that the stats say 1080i standard resolution for the formats, but didnt they make some DVDs that came without all the stupid extras and comentary, all it had was HD movie content. i'm sure if the standards for TVs become this high that the same can be done for the new formats or maybe they will simply start filming and selling all movies in such high resolution.
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2. March 2006 @ 00:46 |
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For a while i was all Blu-ray FTW as shown here: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/292751
But lately im less FTW and more FTL, i dont know why to be honest, its got nothing to do with the Techs of HD-DVD or Blu-ray but more peoples feelings towards Blu-ray. I.E alot of people i have spoken to are dubius (If thats how you spell it) about buying Blu-ray because when DVD recorders came out it was meant to be a revolution, easy to record, easy to set up, easy to use. When actually the people i have spoken to have had real problem with theres, my uncle for example i dont think he has one epidose of C.S.I that he recorded that isnt missing the first 3 minutes, due the the CD having to format for recording.
From my personal experience when i brought my DVD-Recorder i had real problems setting it up, and im meant to be technically gifted!
I dont think Blu-ray will hit it off with the average joe, unless the company behind Blu-ray can make a peice of piss to use, the only person who will buy it is a techy. TBH i would stick with HD-DVD for now. I think Blu-ray will have a fault start and take a while to get going.
(This is my opinion, i havent bothered researching much on Blu-ray since my post on Blu-ray was stickied, i also dont know much about HD-DVD because i dont own one. Hmmm i really need to start swating up on more stuff)
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2. March 2006 @ 03:01 |
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Honestly, I plan to get a PS3, but that doesn't mean I'll go with bluray. In fact, I'm currently not interested in neither format. First, I don't own a compatible display (Only a 27" inch CRT HDTV without HDMI).
And even after I get a compatible display, someone would have to convince me why is a Bluray or HD-DVD player any better than an current tech Progressive scan DVD player with upconverting capabilities.
To tell you the truth, my $60 Progressive scan Sony DVD player connected through component to my HDTV looks crisp enough for my taste. But, if I had to choose any of them, I guess it would be Bluray, that if the PS3 finally comes out.
Razengan!!!
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rayfish
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2. March 2006 @ 04:14 |
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I am waiting to see who will be the first company to come out with the complete "Integrated Blu-ray HD DVD R" That will be something. The ability to change the light frequencies and stuff like that and not having to bother which format you are buying as long as you get the best of both worlds.
I hate this proprietary system and how these giants want to make a closed community of audience. I mean look at this this way, it would be so cool if the community is allowed to drive the technology rather than being forced upon by heavily 'lobbied' standards.
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bigt1
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2. March 2006 @ 05:03 |
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I will not be rushing out to buy either one. I'm sticking with what i've got for a couple more years. All they want is our money, and Blue ray & HD is going to cost a lot to switch over to. You'll need a stand alone player $500 to $1800. Plus new drives in puter plus the cost of the new movies plus the cost of new blank disc's. It all adds up beyond my blue collar budget. Plain ol DVD'S for me.
bigt: I was once young & stupid/now I'm older!
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