HD DVD cancels CES conference
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article published on 5 January, 2008
In response to yesterday's news that Warner Bros. had decided to go Blu-ray exclusive, the HD DVD Promotional Group has announced they have canceled their upcoming CES press conference.
The group, along with Microsoft and Toshiba had planned to tout the Q4 heavy sales of its players and discs. It seems that Warner did not give the group any advanced notice of its decision thus ruining ... [ read the full article ]
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Interesting that you were nowhere to be seen when xtago was trying "to misuse information".
Obviously you could care less about anyone "misusing information" and deliberately creating a wrong impression "to makeup issues" when you think it favours Blu-ray.
Eh? :P
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6. January 2008 @ 09:48 |
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Originally posted by hughjars: Interesting that you were nowhere to be seen when xtago was trying "to misuse information".
Obviously you could care less about anyone "misusing information" and deliberately creating a wrong impression "to makeup issues" when you think it favors Blu-ray.
Eh? :P
All he got wrong was the numbers of BD movies titles but who can keep up with titles been released every week.
But i still don't see your point about the FOX releasing a movie on BD 25 with MPEG2 because i did some research & this is what came up.
The Last movie titles Fox released with BD25 & MPEG 2 was.
The Hills Have Eyes 2: Unrated [Blu-ray]Fox 2007-10-23 MPEG2 BD25
Home of the Brave:[Blu-ray] Fox 2007-10-23 MPEG2 BD25.
But you said:
Originally posted by hughjars: I see the latest Fox BD movie is BD+, 25gb & MPEG2
Here is the latest Fox movies that was released:
Live Free or Die Hard [Blu-ray] Fox 2007-11-20 AVC BD50
Die Hard [Blu-ray] Fox 2007-11-20 AVC BD50
Die Hard 2 - Die Harder [Blu-ray] Fox 2007-11-20 AVC BD50
Die Hard Collection (Die Hard/ Die Hard 2 - Die Harder/ Die Hard with a Vengeance/ Live Free or Die Hard) [Blu-ray] Fox 2007-11-20 AVC BD50
Die Hard With a Vengeance [Blu-ray] Fox 2007-11-20 AVC BD50
So i don't know where you got that info but from what i can see the last releases from Fox was on Nov 20 2007, Die-Hard series & they all are on BD50 with AVC codecs.Correct me if im wrong?
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6. January 2008 @ 10:10 |
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This is truely a "kick in the sack" to HD-DVD, as someone posted earlier in the thread. I do like the format, if for no other reason than to be able to rip and transfer the video to my HTPC, PMP, etc. Sure you can do that with BR for the time-being but with BR+ for how long? Come to think of it, didn't slysoft(?) report that the next gen of anydvd HD was going to have some sort of AI to counter BD+, or did that already come out?
BTW, I am not a fanboy for either format but I enjoy reading Hughjars comments. They are certainly informative, usually non-inflammatory, and appropriate. I respect his passion for debate on this topic. I think that as with debate on any other subject, observers should check their facts and rebutt as appropriate, not resort to personal attacks or "I told you so's". My 2 cents.
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Quote:
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Quote: i agree with the beginning but you're wrong in your last paragraph.the 360 has no variety in games.halo 3 was over hyped by fanboys and it flopped,mass effect is actually a copy of an older game and it isnt that great,viva pinata(do i even have to go any further?).gears of war is the only solid game on the 360.360 can only look forward to the sequel of gears,fable and alan wake.these are not system sellers.
the ps3's sales will increase because most ps2 buyers are waiting until their sequels come out like:metal gear solid 4(system seller),killzone 2(have u seen the gameplay?),socom confrontation(Who doesnt love the greatest multiplayer on ps2),little big planet,final fantasy 13(do i have too expand?),gran turismo 5(seen the screenshots?),haze(amazing storyline which is rarely seen in any fps),and more.
ps3 has no solid games other than warhawk,uncharted and resistance yet it managed to sell more than 360 in its first year(also 360 didnt have any competition in its first year).in 08 its done,and with blu-ray coming out on top,there's no way microsoft can release the ultimate which wouldve included hd-dvd but would put them in further debt.
Did you just say Halo 3 was a flop? Look at the sales figures before making such a comment.
I believe halo 3 is one the top 5 most selling new games or soemthing..... personally I hate it for being under dev'd....but sheessshhhhhh its sold more than 6 milloin titles.
and the 360 has sold 19+ million units the PS3 only 8ish
Also viva pinata is a cute fun lil game just because its cute dosent make it bad...I could continue to correct our blu bomber boy but whats the point talking to a viral spam bot.
did u pull 19 mill out your ass.nextgenwars is not a reliable site,vgchartz.com
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6. January 2008 @ 10:44 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
They have only just tipped over into a very slight BD50 majority, give it 3mths and my bet is that we'll see 25gb back in the majority.
I disagree. I think it's better to look at trends.
For the entire year of 2007 it was about 60% BD50.
But if you look at releases from October 2007 to January 2008 the numbers from the MAJOR studios shows:
BD50 - 85 titles
BD25 - 14 titles
or about 85 percent BD50. What this tells me is that the replication facilities are getting better at their BD50 yields. This also shows that the major studios are not compromising on their encodes/extras.
A good number of the BD25's during that period were nature and documentary titles (i.e. Antarctica Dreaming) from minor studios - which I did not include in my count.
From December 2007 to January 2, 2008 its 31 titles BD50 and 3 titles BD25.
(Someone pls. recheck my numbers. I may be off by a few but the trend is still the same.)
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6. January 2008 @ 11:41 |
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Quote: the ps3's sales will increase because most ps2 buyers are waiting until their sequels come out like:metal gear solid 4(system seller),killzone 2(have u seen the gameplay?),socom confrontation(Who doesnt love the greatest multiplayer on ps2),little big planet,final fantasy 13(do i have too expand?),gran turismo 5(seen the screenshots?),haze(amazing storyline which is rarely seen in any fps),and more.
Seriously are you joking?
The ps3's sales are failing!
Nextgen : 360 14mil
PS3 7mil
Vgchartz: 360 16mil
Ps3 8mil
Theres nothing you can say that will change the numbers. The 360 is outselling the ps3 at present and thats simply bullocks about them waiting for the sequels to come out...
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Originally posted by nextgen76: All he got wrong was the numbers of BD movies titles but who can keep up with titles been released every week.
- LMAO
He clearly implied that there was 1 title being referred to.
Originally posted by nextgen76: But i still don't see your point about the FOX releasing a movie on BD 25 with MPEG2 because i did some research & this is what came up.
The Last movie titles Fox released with BD25 & MPEG 2 was....etc etc
Correct me if im wrong?
- Happily.
Unless I am reading the releses wrong the latest Fox movie releases are Behind Enemy Lines, Fantastic Four, Kiss the Dragon, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, The Omen, Speed & The Transporter.
They are all on 25gb single layer discs - and will in fact take 25gb Blu-ray movies releases back into the majority (seeing as the gap was a mere 3.
Only coming Fox release the 'Kingdom of Heaven (Directors Cut)' is a BD50 release.
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Originally posted by lecsiy: Quote: the ps3's sales will increase because most ps2 buyers are waiting until their sequels come out like:metal gear solid 4(system seller),killzone 2(have u seen the gameplay?),socom confrontation(Who doesnt love the greatest multiplayer on ps2),little big planet,final fantasy 13(do i have too expand?),gran turismo 5(seen the screenshots?),haze(amazing storyline which is rarely seen in any fps),and more.
Seriously are you joking?
The ps3's sales are failing!
Nextgen : 360 14mil
PS3 7mil
Vgchartz: 360 16mil
Ps3 8mil
Theres nothing you can say that will change the numbers. The 360 is outselling the ps3 at present and thats simply bullocks about them waiting for the sequels to come out...
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I wouldn't say that... 360 is selling more, but the PS3 looks like it is slowly catching up because it wasn't 2:1 before...
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Originally posted by nextgen76: All he got wrong was the numbers of BD movies titles but who can keep up with titles been released every week.
- LMAO
He clearly implied that there was 1 title being referred to.
Originally posted by nextgen76: But i still don't see your point about the FOX releasing a movie on BD 25 with MPEG2 because i did some research & this is what came up.
The Last movie titles Fox released with BD25 & MPEG 2 was....etc etc
Correct me if im wrong?
- Happily.
Unless I am reading the releses wrong the latest Fox movie releases are Behind Enemy Lines, Fantastic Four, Kiss the Dragon, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, The Omen, Speed & The Transporter.
They are all on 25gb single layer discs - and will in fact take 25gb Blu-ray movies releases back into the majority (seeing as the gap was a mere 3.
Only coming Fox release the 'Kingdom of Heaven (Directors Cut)' is a BD50 release.
Why do i waste my time....?
Just read my post you said the latest release which means current.Those release are here.
Fantastic Four [Blu-ray] Fox 2006-11-14
Behind Enemy Lines (Blu-Ray) Fox 2006-11-14
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen [Blu-ray] Fox 2006-11-14
Kiss of the Dragon (Blu-Ray) Fox 2006-11-14
The Omen [Blu-ray] Fox 2006-11-14
Speed (Blu-ray) Fox 2006-11-14
The Transporter (Blu-Ray) Fox 2006-11-14
Kingdom of Heaven (Director's Cut) [Blu-ray] Fox 2006-11-14
http://www.blu-raystats.com/index.php
All those releases was a year(06) ago & didn't have BD+ because BD+ didn't get approved til June 07 this wasn't what you was implying to so i guess your wrong again.I posted the link with the filter so you can see for yourself.....Correct me if I'm wrong
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6. January 2008 @ 14:59 |
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I thought this was about HD DVD canceling their conference cause they have NOTHING to talk about. Who got this off of topic.
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6. January 2008 @ 16:27 |
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This is nothing but good news for the consumer market, wether it be Blu-Ray or HD DVD
I?m sure that everyone agrees that consumers only need one of the products for movie content, Perhaps the format war may come to an end and consumers will be able to make the move to Hi Definition movies
with peace of mind that their media will have a life span greater then a year.
It?s a shame that none of these companies have learnt from the VHS vs BetaMax war !
SuBze0.
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6. January 2008 @ 17:03 |
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LMAO
Another desperately weak Blu-ray 'win'.
They have a 10:1+ advantage in the number of players and yet they can't even manage a 2:1 lead in movie disc sales.
Hilarious.
The Blu-ray lead is only 1.56:1 - which incidentally works out to the 'since inception' number too.
It's also a fact that the BDA has sponsored over 20 BOGO sales already in 2007.
HD DVD has just run just 2 - both this month.
You'll find that HD DVD offer a pretty restricted (tho still good) selection on it's BOGO whilst Blu-ray's BOGOs have included huge blockbuster films like the Pirates Of the Caribbean films, Casino Royale, Night At the Museum, X-Men: Last Stand, and many others.
They've also included recent releases like 28 Weeks Later, The Fly, Day After Tomorrow just a mere 2 weeks after their debut.
It must be costing Blu-ray a fortune (and adding costs to an already costly format for the producers).
Only a few weeks to CES 2008.
Can't wait.
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6. January 2008 @ 17:32 |
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LMAO
Oh dear, a real brain-dead dreary little troll went to the trouble of inventing a new account just to reveal his (unlikely to be a her) stupidity.
Tragic.
Hmmm Nextgen, looks like I may have mixed some of the release dates up (not hard to do with Fox seeing as they have been so an & off with the releases, eh
*or does that confusion/mixed up reason only get a fair hearing & apply when it's one of your pro-Blu-ray mates/ accounts doing it, huh? lol *
Tell me about 'Me, Myself & Irene', that's new.
Thats 25gb and that's done in MPEG2, right?
So too is 'Ice Age' right?
Is see 'Wall Street' is done in MPEG2 and so is 'Independence Day' and 'I Robot' and 'Man on Fire'.
Mmmmmmm, that MPEG2 quality. Not.
LMAO
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6. January 2008 @ 17:57 |
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It's getting to the point where AD is just a flame war, name calling, my [fill in the blank] can beat up your [fill in the blank], insults as debate, not worth reading posts anymore site.
Really too bad.... use to be the first site I read everyday.
I appreciate the actual input people have made.
AD needs to clean up this childish crap or continue to sink with it.
just my 2 cents worth.
Guess I'll take a vacation for awhile
cheers!
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6. January 2008 @ 18:13 |
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reports are coming in that Target a major retailer is going Blu-ray exclusive. interesting if true. still waiting for your reply to my comment about your repetitive and off the wall statements a few weeks back about some "HUGE CES ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE YOU GRINNING, OLE HUGHJARS?" i think its fair to ask what it was going to be since you continually stated that. and to think your the poster child for HD-DVD here. shoulda, coulda, woulda...hmmm just how "factual" are your inputs after all? sure you take relative and known information but how you argue and interpret that info is where you, like HD-DVD fall short...
i hope your announcement at CES wasn't the whole internal 360 hd-dvd drive...
someone in another forum threw this out there that i thought was comical, but certainly plausible. could the Paramount deal actually been a hidden sign of the times. most analyzers couldn't really understand the move given the timing and circumstances. why would a major studio go exclusive on a format that is always second best? i know, i know the whole cheaper production line, but clearly warner put that to rest. now didn't they?
so i suppose the whole payoff of some 150 MILLION DOLLARS seems a little more realistic. given this it seems clear now why Paramount made the move. Why? well, $150million TODAY is always better than $150million TOMORROW. so understanding this logic and realizing that consumer acceptance in this market hasnt been too stellar, profits can't be through the roof,why not make a SHORT-TERM DEAL? let the conspiracy theories roll...
looking forward to Transformers on BLU in the not so distant future...
oh god, before it was the redundant cheap chinese players coming to the market, attachment rate arguments, now what is it going to be? MPEG-2. ha, when will you understand
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Originally posted by hughjars: Mmmmmmm, that MPEG2 quality. Not.
What has to be pointed out though is that MPEG2 can also give you great results. All you need is a skilled encoder, a good source/master, and enough disc space.
The following MPEG2 encoded discs had very good PQ scores on highdefdigest.com:
Tears of the Sun - 4.5/5
Dreamgirls - 5/5
The Covenant - 5/5
Big Fish - 4.5/5
Catch and Release - 4.5/5
etc.
My favorite MPEG2 encode is actually on HD DVD:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/144/bestofgetoutv1.html
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Originally posted by error5: Originally posted by hughjars: Mmmmmmm, that MPEG2 quality. Not.
What has to be pointed out though is that MPEG2 can also give you great results. All you need is a skilled encoder, a good source/master, and enough disc space.
The following MPEG2 encoded discs had very good PQ scores on highdefdigest.com:
Tears of the Sun - 4.5/5
Dreamgirls - 5/5
The Covenant - 5/5
Big Fish - 4.5/5
Catch and Release - 4.5/5
etc.
My favorite MPEG2 encode is actually on HD DVD:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/144/bestofgetoutv1.html
What format are they supposed to be?
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Originally posted by duckNrun: It's getting to the point where AD is just a flame war, name calling, my [fill in the blank] can beat up your [fill in the blank], insults as debate, not worth reading posts anymore site.
Really too bad.... use to be the first site I read everyday.
I appreciate the actual input people have made.
AD needs to clean up this childish crap or continue to sink with it.
just my 2 cents worth.
Guess I'll take a vacation for awhile
cheers!
Just stay away from Disc Format, Gaming and Goverment articles, and you'll be fine... I find this kind of pointless as well but some people make very good points and it's something to do :)
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Originally posted by hughjars: LMAO
Oh dear, a real brain-dead dreary little troll went to the trouble of inventing a new account just to reveal his (unlikely to be a her) stupidity.
Tragic.
Hmmm Nextgen, looks like I may have mixed some of the release dates up (not hard to do with Fox seeing as they have been so an & off with the releases, eh
*or does that confusion/mixed up reason only get a fair hearing & apply when it's one of your pro-Blu-ray mates/ accounts doing it, huh? lol *
Tell me about 'Me, Myself & Irene', that's new.
Thats 25gb and that's done in MPEG2, right?
So too is 'Ice Age' right?
Is see 'Wall Street' is done in MPEG2 and so is 'Independence Day' and 'I Robot' and 'Man on Fire'.
Mmmmmmm, that MPEG2 quality. Not.
LMAO
HD-DVD has made a statement that you might find some positives to.
Toshiba Defiant After HD DVD Setback
LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Toshiba Corp. executives had a tough moment Sunday, when they had to face reporters just two days after its HD DVD movie disc format was dealt a potentially fatal blow by the defection of Warner Bros. Entertainment to a rival technology.
"It's difficult for me to read the comments of the pundits that HD is dead," said Jodi Sally, vice president of marketing for digital audio and video at Toshiba America Consumer Products. She was speaking at a news conference ahead of the International Consumer Electronics Show, which starts here Monday.
Sally indicated that Toshiba would continue its fight with a Sony Corp.-led group to dominate the market for a replacement to the DVD.
Heres the whole story:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080106/gadget_show_hd_dvd.html
error5: what about Crank that was one of the Best MPEG2 to date.But the movie was a let down but the Transfer was awesome.
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Originally posted by duckNrun: It's getting to the point where AD is just a flame war, name calling, my [fill in the blank] can beat up your [fill in the blank], insults as debate, not worth reading posts anymore site.
Really too bad.... use to be the first site I read everyday.
I appreciate the actual input people have made.
AD needs to clean up this childish crap or continue to sink with it.
just my 2 cents worth.
Guess I'll take a vacation for awhile
cheers!
I completely agree, and Ive already made it clear to a few members (they have posted in this thread) that they need to clean up their act or get a break from AD, and it wont be a voluntary one.
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wow reading all those posts was real comical, good for a before bed laugh thanks all. Oh yeah go BETA
seriously can tell yall are passionate about it and thats cool. Evn if the stats that yall post aren't always acurate, but unless you actually read and count the numbers yourself, whos to know whos stats are acurate.
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who ever is feeling blu, is a fairy
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Quote: Many industry insiders have argued that Sony offered Warner a large incentive to go exclusive, somewhere in the ballpark of $400 million for one to two years of exclusivity.
This is a massive incentive or you could call this a BRIBE!!! LOL!!! I had a feeling that if Warner made a choice everyone would get their knickers in a twist. :P
Well I wonder how much the hd dvd camp would offer to bribe back :P
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Quote: Many industry insiders have argued that Sony offered Warner a large incentive to go exclusive, somewhere in the ballpark of $400 million for one to two years of exclusivity.
This is a massive incentive or you could call this a BRIBE!!! LOL!!! I had a feeling that if Warner made a choice everyone would get their knickers in a twist. :P
Well I wonder how much the hd dvd camp would offer to bribe back :P
I wonder if that would cover 1-2 years worth of production, if so then one can see why ,short term bottom line licking always screws out the consumer ^_~.
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WB made a wrong decision
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