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Xbox One barely beats Nintendo Wii U in sales?
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article published on 6 March, 2014
Although it is the general consensus that Nintendo has played itself out of the home console market with the Wii U being a failure, according to VGChartz, Microsoft's new Xbox One only barely beat out the Wii U in sales for the week ended February 22nd.
For the period, the Xbox One saw global sales of 56,769 units, while the older Wii U had global sales of 44,503 units. Sony demolished ... [ read the full article ]
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deucezulu22
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10. March 2014 @ 13:11 |
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Originally posted by darkprogame:
Originally posted by GernBlan:
And am I or my teenagers (or especially my college kids) supposed to be jumping for joy over Tomodachi anything? How old are you? Does mom know you're on the internet so much?
Lol, the "mature" vs "kiddy" crap argument again. I'm 24 and I don't have the need to play edgy dark "mature" games to make me feel like a big man. Who cares if Mario is seen as "kiddy", I'll play whatever is fun regardless of what people think of it.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
No, it's more like "I'm not stupid enough to post it on a public forum just because of your feeble attempt at double-dog daring me." Nice try, but epic fail.
You're only proving my point and making yourself look bad at the same time.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
Have you ever played a Need for Speed (or similar simulation) title on DS or even 3DS? Have you seen that same title on a phone or tablet? The phone/tablet graphics are so vastly superior it puts the Nintendo offering right back in the 1990's where it probably belongs.
Irrelevant. And there's more to games than pure raw graphics. I hate the graphics argument so much, someone could make a new game on NES with NES limitations and it still could be fun, so who cares? Anyways, superior graphics sure didn't help the PSP against the DS.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
They even make mounts for like $5 that put a phone right on top of a PS3 controller for a true handheld gaming solution.
That's not exactly super portable. If it can't fit entirely in your pocket, that's not portable
You and Nintendo are just refusing to face reality.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
First of all, I can do whatever I want for my side of the debate. Why would I take your advice (or interpretation of the "rules") when you're so clearly the opposition to my opinion on the matter? Again, nice try, but epic fail.
Because you can't just simply twist facts to your advantages and think you're right. That's not how an argument work
Originally posted by GernBlan:
Second, I'm not really cherry picking. I'm requesting that the companies (Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo) be considered in whole -- past, present, and future.
Oh lol please. That part of the argument started when you compared the PSP sales to the NES and SNES, which I said it's wrong because they're not even in the same generation (in which the market wasn't as big). Not only that's cherry picking, but it was just plain wrong. You can't just go back and say "uhhh let's compare it to everything instead!". This argument is about 3DS vs Vita, and the only other relevant data right now is PSP vs DS.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
The other thing I find rather ironic is how everyone is talking about Sony and Microsoft's financials, but no one ever seems to mention that a year ago the MUCH smaller Nintendo posted like a $28 million loss. Again, it's a lot more difficult for a one-trick pony company to recover from something like that, especially when their major console is the reason they tanked.
http://i.imgur.com/zYw1A.jpg
Nintendo will be fine. As you can see, Sony lost all of their profits they got during the PS2 with the PS3. The question is, will they be able to make this much profits this time around?
Thing is, for xbox:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the...ng-and-surface/
And for Sony:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2...ls-for-break-up
For both, throwing as much money around as been a big strategy for a while. Xbox haven't made much profits, and while Sony (the gaming division) is getting some profits here and there, the rest of the company is doing terribly (firing, restructuring and the recent building selling...), if they goes and separate all of the branches, they'll lose their ability to throw money freely and wouldn't be able to take such losses for long. If it happens, you better believe the Vita is gonna get dropped instantly.
On the other hand, Nintendo has a loss, one single loss for 1 year, they'll survive. and compared to Sony, Nintendo doesn't have debts either, so they actually own all that cash.
I'd say generally, Sony and Microsoft are much more likely to drop out of gaming than Nintendo.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
You're now reverse cherry picking.
I didn't cherry pick anything, I just turned your argument against you
This right here. But, this guy is not looking at things in a objective, economic perspective. So I just gave up lol.
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TrinUK
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10. March 2014 @ 13:23 |
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Originally posted by darkprogame:
Also, the smartphone market is an absolute total mess. Rampant piracy on Android and sea of crap, quick clones and F2P to it's absolute worst on mobile. I've seen developers get quickly discouraged at the overall state of the market and it's users. Free demo but has paid content? Instead 1 star ratings. Also most users are expecting games to the 1$ range, which heavily devalue games and makes it harder for bigger stuff with actual production value put into it to succeed.
Also, the controls, urrg, if you have to put a virtual d-pad + buttons on your games for it to be playable, then your game was not meant for this platform.
Both current handhelds however are very good for indies developper
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/30/gu...y-nintendo-3ds/
That game even sold more on 3DS than on smartphone
Well said. Smartphones are a gimmick that is slowly but surely coming to an end in terms of gaming. Many forget the word "Trend" in the equation. It's all about the social media and communication apps nowadays. PC sales will rise again in future along side tablets - remote login and cloud tech as fuel costs rise.
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GernBlan
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10. March 2014 @ 17:07 |
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Originally posted by darkprogame:
Lol, the "mature" vs "kiddy" crap argument again. I'm 24 and...
Okay, I've fed the trolls long enough and said all I wanted (or needed) to say, oh...about 4 posts ago.
Honestly, all I had to see was I was debating with a 24 year old (just one because darkprogame and deucezulu22 are highly likely the same person, posting 3 mins apart, only on this thread, and only in response to my posts...uh, huh), and it was clear that I was wasting my time.
I'm twice your age, twice your life experience, at least twice your tech experience (I owned my first computer and wrote my first game well before you were born), and I really don't think our portfolios would compare, especially when mine is so successful that I retired from a very successful IT career 10 years ago.
But I wouldn't know anything about profit margins, stock investments, successful vs. unsuccessful companies, IT related things, technology, electronic devices, stuff like that...
...well, not as much as a 24-year-old, of course.
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10. March 2014 @ 17:45 |
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GernBlan, you maybe double their age but still no excuse for you not reading the forum rules about multi-posting. read them!!!
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GernBlan
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10. March 2014 @ 19:21 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
GernBlan, you maybe double their age but still no excuse for you not reading the forum rules about multi-posting. read them!!!
I'm well aware of the forum rules, and probably one of the few who have actually read them. The double posting was the fault of the forum app and not something done on purpose. I tried to delete one of them, but the forum does not offer such a feature. So I attempted to make a joke of it. If as a moderator you have access to a such a feature please do so. Thank you.
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darkprogame
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10. March 2014 @ 19:24 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Look at that -- a post so nice it had to show up twice!
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Lol, the "mature" vs "kiddy" crap argument again. I'm 24 and...
Okay, I've fed the trolls long enough and said all I wanted (or needed) to say, oh...about 4 posts ago.
Honestly, all I had to see was I was debating with a 24 year old (just one because darkprogame and deucezulu22 are highly likely the same person, posting 3 mins apart, only on this thread, and only in response to my posts...uh, huh), and it was clear that I was wasting my time.
I'm twice your age, twice your life experience, at least twice your tech experience (I owned my first computer and wrote my first game well before you were born), and I really don't think our portfolios would compare, especially when mine is so successful that I retired from a very successful IT career 10 years ago.
But I wouldn't know anything about profit margins, stock investments, successful vs. unsuccessful companies, IT related things, technology, electronic devices, stuff like that...
...well, not as much as a 24-year-old, of course.
So that's it? That's all you have to reply? "I'm older so surely I know better than you". Hilarious. Let's just go and assume you're in the game industry, being in the game industry wouldn't automatically mean you'd know what you're talking about either (And clearly, you aren't), I see game developers/game journalists/game industry analysts making fools of themselves all the damn time and talking absolute pure crap.
So yeah, clearly your background (if even related to the video games industry) isn't worth all that much by what you've been spewing since the beginning.
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ddp
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10. March 2014 @ 20:16 |
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GernBlan, what about the other 5 times that you double posted with 1 that was a triple post. like i said read the forum rules!!!
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GernBlan
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10. March 2014 @ 23:06 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
GernBlan, what about the other 5 times that you double posted with 1 that was a triple post. like i said read the forum rules!!!
Really did not understand what you were referring to until I realized that you're assuming I'm using the Forum to post -- I'm not. I'm using the comments feature on the News site, which is apparently then also posting a copy of the comments to the News Comments forum on the Forums site.
The problem is not me -- it's the forum software. I'm only posting once, and all of my posts except the last one have not shown up in the News Comments as duplicate posts. So you may want to get with your site admin(s) and figure out what's going on wrong between your News comments and your News Comments forum. If I can be of any assistance (explaining what I'm specifically doing, what browser I'm using, etc.), I'll be happy to help.
One thing that you moderators should be made aware of -- there are no Forum Rules links or even any notice of rules anywhere in the News Comments feature, so publicly chastising someone who is posting a comment in the News section for not following forum rules isn't exactly appropriate. It's also not really appreciated for being "called out" and publicly chastised like this for a problem with the site software.
EDIT: When I posted this reply in the comments in the News section, it did not show up. However, when I came to the News Comments Forum the post was there. Who wants to bet that if I refresh the news page in Chrome that it will show the comment on the news page, but post a duplicate copy of the message in the forums? (Rhetorical question)
Originally posted by darkprogame:
So that's it? That's all you have to reply? "I'm older so surely I know better than you". Hilarious. Let's just go and assume you're in the game industry...
Yep, I'm afraid that's all the time I have to attempt to educate a 24-year-old whippersnapper with (at most) half of my experience at...well...anything and everything.
Two things for the record:
1. I never said I was in the video game industry, so I really don't know what's with that latest tangent, and
2. Yes, at twice your age I surely do know better than you at everything except being an arrogant 24-year-old who obviously thinks he knows more than someone twice his age.
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GernBlan
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10. March 2014 @ 23:36 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
12. Repeated posts to increase total number of posts is not allowed. Especially if your message is the last in the thread, edit it rather than post a new message.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487
darkprogame, same goes to you too so knockoff the multi-posting.
First, you still have a duplicate post problem with the forum software that you might want to check into.
Second, I'm not attempting to increase my post count, as I don't even know why I would want to do that. Is it a contest or something somewhere on the site that I'm not aware of? All I'm doing is simply replying to each post that I'm quoted in separately. Am I really supposed to respond to five different people with quotes and my own comments all in the same message?
Edit: Ah, I see. It has to do with the member rankings on the forum. I assure you, I really don't care what forum rank I have -- really cannot emphasize that enough.
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Originally posted by ddp:
GernBlan, what about the other 5 times that you double posted with 1 that was a triple post. like i said read the forum rules!!!
i see 2 long forums posts (in this thread) 1 after the other by gernblan on 2 occasions,including the ones above????theres actually no limit on how many characters in a post.
accidental double post happens when you lose connection when posting and it posted exact same thing twice.
ddp time for a new saying R.T.F.R the F can be forum or something else.Yes that saying works.
back on topic i tried both the ds and psp ages ago found the graphics better on psp but ds was aimed at kids with games like brain training, havn't bothered with the newer versions as i have no need.
custom built gaming pc from early 2010,ps2 with 15 games all original,ps3 500gbs with 5 games all original,yamaha amp and 5.1channel surround sound speakers,46inch sony lcd smart tv.
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GernBlan, Quote:
Am I really supposed to respond to five different people with quotes and my own comments all in the same message?
yes you are as i do & as do others but you don't need the quotes.
xboxdvl2, R.T.F.R.D. Read.The.F***ing.Rules.Dummy.?
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GernBlan
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
Originally posted by ddp:
GernBlan, what about the other 5 times that you double posted with 1 that was a triple post. like i said read the forum rules!!!
i see 2 long forums posts (in this thread) 1 after the other by gernblan on 2 occasions,including the ones above????theres actually no limit on how many characters in a post.
accidental double post happens when you lose connection when posting and it posted exact same thing twice.
ddp time for a new saying R.T.F.R the F can be forum or something else.
back on topic i tried both the ds and psp ages ago found the graphics better on psp but ds was aimed at kids with games like brain training, havn't bothered with the newer versions as i have no need.
Again, I'm not posting to the forum -- the software is. I'm posting to the comments in the News section of the site, where there is no mention of Forum Rules or member ranks. I don't even have to have an account -- I can post a comment with a new user name each time. I had no idea that my comments were be cross-posted into a forum in the AfterDawn Forums section. If you look at my profile, you'll see that with the exception of one message from two years ago, I've never posted anything else directly to the forums -- I always go through the comments feature on the News site.
It's a little ridiculous to hold casual visitors of the site (who just come here to read tech news) accountable for the rules of the forum that they don't even realize they're posting to. AfterDawn moderators/admins may want to correct that before some other casual visitors to the news site end up getting their head chewed off.
Originally posted by ddp:
GernBlan, Quote:
Am I really supposed to respond to five different people with quotes and my own comments all in the same message?
yes you are as i do & as do others but you don't need the quotes.
Then why does your forum/comments software automatically quote the post when I click the Reply button if I'm not supposed to quote the messages?
Originally posted by ddp:
xboxdvl2, R.T.F.R.D. Read.The.F**cking.Rules.Dummy.?
Forum Rule #6: "No foul language, insults, personal attacks or otherwise rude messages."
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hmm so many problems don't know where to start.
1. this is getting way off topic.
2.GernBlan you are arguing for the sake of arguing,btw if you did read the rules and the whole list you would of noticed last line it said its up to the admins and moderators what is and isn't permitted on this site.
ddp is a moderator and permitted his own post.
best advice i'd say is learn you made a mistake,accept it and move on,be glad that despite annoying a mod you are not actually banned.
looking back to the deucezulu22 versus glenblan argument.
kids today have more money and spent more on gaming,plus online gaming is more frequent and available. statistics show high number of gamers between 20-30.The age argument is flawed as people spend more money on gaming now then 10 or so years ago, gaming has gone from a multimillion dollar industry to a multi billion dollar industry.
hmm interesting need for speed.I have played need for speed since the original on ps1 & pc.I even have a youtube channel with videos of gameplay from needforspeed world.pc graphics beat handheld graphics on both, ps3 graphics beat both but i got told wii graphics are pretty much same as both ps3 & xbox 360 , not even sure what need for speed games are available on ds wouldn't waste my time playing it on a phone or ds anyway,also know ea games make stuff ups and banned people and don't give a reason or respond to emails.
also see the microsoft,sony and nintendo arguments,just a bit of past info ps1 was actually being worked on by nintendo and sony but sony pulled the plug and made it without them.
Microsoft make loads from pc software, if they could make a windows based system for low costs that could run high end games and market it they wouldn't actually need xbox (same thing just less customised).
Sony makes good quality gaming no issues there, just other sony products are failing, probably due to off shore manufactoring low wages & poor components.
Nintendo needs to make systems with better hardware to pull developers and be successful.
ds felt like snes graphics & gameplay to me just on a smaller screen.psp felt like ps1 which is better.
ok long post over.
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GernBlan
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
hmm so many problems don't know where to start.
1. this is getting way off topic.
I'm not the one who did that, but yet you felt the pressing need to continue it, didn't you?
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
2.GernBlan you are arguing for the sake of arguing,
Allow me to make this abundantly clear for the last time: I did not post anything to a forum. I do not come to AfterDawn to participate in the forums -- I come here solely to read the Tech News. Sometimes I feel the need to comment on the Tech News. Please note what I said -- posting a "comment" is a one-way communication. I did not say that sometimes I enjoy discussion of the Tech News and I definitely did not say that I enjoy participating in the AfterDawn forums, because frankly, I do not care what most other people have to say about any particular subject. And before I'm criticized for that, this is true of most knowledgeable, opinionated people.
The irony is not lost on me that I have now been accused by a forum moderator of attempting to fluff my forum stats to improve my forum membership status/title, when I never knowingly posted to a forum here and what is really going on is AfterDawn is using the Tech News comments to make it look as if the AfterDawn forum is more active than it actually is (the News Comments forum is like the 4th most active of the AfterDawn forums). So, really...who is fluffing the stats? Exactly.
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
btw if you did read the rules and the whole list you would of noticed last line it said its up to the admins and moderators what is and isn't permitted on this site. ddp is a moderator and permitted his own post.
Yeah, and it's real appropriate that in the same post chastising me for not following the rules on an insignificant (and incorrectly assumed) technicality, a moderator blatantly posts profanity in violation of the exact set of rules that he was citing? Of course, the likely reason that you're defending that is the moderator was actually quoting the profanity in your prior post, so it's actually rather audacious that you're now attempting to explain the forum rules to me.
Again, I'm not posting to the forum, I'm posting to the Tech News comments. At no time was I ever prompted to agree to any forum rules when posting comments, so I am actually not bound to any set of rules. That being said, my behavior here is not and has not been anywhere close to as inappropriate as even the moderator's, and that's not including the obnoxious, disrespectful posts from a belligerent 24-year-old talking out of their posterior.
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
best advice i'd say is learn you made a mistake,accept it and move on,be glad that despite annoying a mod you are not actually banned.
I did not make a mistake -- the moderator did, as he does not seem to understand how this website is configured, specifically the connection between the Tech News comments and the Forums. This same moderator blatantly (and more grossly) violated the same set of rules he's incorrectly enforcing on me for minuscule technicality of how I simply used the News Comments software features to reply to posts.
Banning is not a legitimate threat to me, because...again...I'm not participating in the forums so I do not care if I have any lasting identity here. I'm simply posting an occasional comment to the Tech News stories, something that I can do with a different username each time.
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
looking back to the deucezulu22 versus glenblan argument.
Frankly, I was done discussing that after my first post, because, again, I didn't post my comment for discussion or debate.
The only regret I have in this is feeding the trolls, and I can assure that will not happen again.
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
because frankly, I do not care what most other people have to say about any particular subject. And before I'm criticized for that, this is true of most knowledgeable, opinionated people.
The only regret I have in this is feeding the trolls, and I can assure that will not happen again.
> Calling others trolls when he's the first one to start getting insulting
> First one to get insulting in earlier post, whine about someone else saying "profanities" (and censored, which is allowed in most places)
Nice superiority complex bro.
Anyways guys, don't bother with him anymore, it's been clear from beginning that this guy is a troll (or if he isn't.... Well, that's sad. Poe's law here... I've seen some stuff). Pointlessly arguing about stuff he doesn't have a grasp on, blindly hating stuff, calling others that don't agree with him a troll (trolls think this is clever somehow) and gets insulting and pushy when he's losing an argument... I've seen that way too often. That or the guy has serious superiority complex problems.
As for I, I just enjoy a good pointless argument once in a while.
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I too enjoy reading the tech news but would very much appreciate it if this 'topic' could be closed. No pleasure in this for anyone & clearly GernBlan wants the last word. Jeez GernBlan rise above it or whatever & let go.
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
Nintendo needs to make systems with better hardware to pull developers and be successful.
And there it is in a nutshell!
That's what I was trying to say before... I'm not being any kind of fanboy here. Some can say, "big deal, I own every system anyway etc etc." but the respective companies don't see it like that. They don't expect that. They don't count on you buying every system. They see their customers as having limited money to spend and they want as much of it as possible. They want to be your "go to" console not your "also" console.
And, how do I put this?, it's bullshit to say that Sony and MS don't have plenty of kiddie/family friendly "non-shooty" games. Or that all the games are high-end on their platforms, a perusal of the Xbox Live and PSN online shops show plenty of cheapish indie type of games which are all about the gameplay and not gfx.
I want Ninty to stay in the game, I DO! But they need to compete ...on all levels, if Ninty can't cross-platform popular titles then gimmicks and a few exclusives are gonna get them only so far.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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Wow I just had to say that this thread is sooooo familiar...kind of reminds me of a few years ago around here.
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GernBlan, you say you don't have an account then why do you have junior member under your nic & why have you posted 181 times since 15 Sep 2006 @ 18:38?
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/393632/2379208
also i was not doing any profanity as i did not spell out the whole word.
hello oner. what part is "sooooo familiar"?
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Originally posted by WiganScum:
I too enjoy reading the tech news but would very much appreciate it if this 'topic' could be closed. No pleasure in this for anyone & clearly GernBlan wants the last word. Jeez GernBlan rise above it or whatever & let go.
That's really weird, because it pretty much looks like you want the last word or what else would be the purpose of this last post? Jeez, WiganScum, rise above it or whatever & let it go.
Someone always has to have the last word -- might as well be me.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
That or the guy has serious superiority complex problems.
Definitely this -- textbook caliber, too. Unfortunately, it's completely justified by all the inferiority I always seem to encounter...
And honestly with regard to this now being off-topic, was it really providing anything worthwhile even when it was on-topic? Well, other than what I posted?
Originally posted by Oner:
Wow I just had to say that this thread is sooooo familiar...kind of reminds me of a few years ago around here.
I wasn't around here a few years ago, and that would've put darkprogame in like diapers, so it probably wasn't either of us.
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don't count on that.
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Originally posted by ddp:
GernBlan, you say you don't have an account then why do you have junior member under your nic & why have you posted 181 times since 15 Sep 2006 @ 18:38?
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/393632/2379208
If you click on the link in my profile for all the posts, you will see that all of them except one were "posted" in the News Comments forum. In other words, virtually all of my posts were made as comments in the Tech News part of the site, and not in the forum.
I've been posting comments here on Tech News for longer than that, and have posted more than just 181. But a while back the site did not require an account here to post a comment on the Tech News. You just typed in whatever "handle" you wanted and then enter a CAPTCHA code. I would venture to say that's how most of my comments were posted, especially in the earlier years here.
I used to frequent this site for video encoding, especially during the big VCD craze, so I suspect that I had to create the GernBlan account in order to download something from the forums. FYI, GernBlan is usually a "burner" ID that I use on websites that I have no intention of coming back to, so that should explain to you just how much I expected to participate on the forums since I didn't register my regular username.
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also i was not doing any profanity as i did not spell out the whole word.
Seriously? That's what you're going with as a moderator? Do you realize the doors your opening with that one? Good luck.
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if you have a problem with me then talk to site admin as i\we answer to them not to the members. no matter were you post on this site, you still have to follow forum rules so follow them as not a SFU problem but an OFU problem.
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11. March 2014 @ 14:19 |
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My,my...I only clicked on this thread because I noticed it has been "actively discussed" for multiple days, now. I come here for tech news and occasional discussion with entertaining and intellectual dialog. This thread is well below par for AD, and I have to wonder why the mods have allowed it to continue so long..Don't feed the troll, gents.
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