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Xbox One barely beats Nintendo Wii U in sales?
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article published on 6 March, 2014
Although it is the general consensus that Nintendo has played itself out of the home console market with the Wii U being a failure, according to VGChartz, Microsoft's new Xbox One only barely beat out the Wii U in sales for the week ended February 22nd.
For the period, the Xbox One saw global sales of 56,769 units, while the older Wii U had global sales of 44,503 units. Sony demolished ... [ read the full article ]
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Mysttic
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6. March 2014 @ 21:57 |
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http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/
Totals since vgchartz last update.
Xbox-One still has a ways to go; showing perhaps Nintendo's Wii-U isn't out yet. Clearly PS4 is proving victor for the time being and when Infamous Second Son releases, more sales will push.
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mrkfour
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7. March 2014 @ 01:09 |
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I, for one, am happy about those numbers. Microsoft arrogantly wanted to impose so many restrictions as we saw when they unveiled the console....and it backfired... so hard.
Its a great lesson all companies should learn,
specially EA
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TrinUK
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7. March 2014 @ 07:39 |
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Now..... Nintendo this is your chance to get your butt in gear and churn out some titles.
Trin - Making Digital Waves
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GernBlan
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7. March 2014 @ 10:06 |
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Most of the World (and definitely the USA) is completely unaware of the peril that Nintendo is in with the console arena. Nintendo's making a huge mistake by not making this more public. I think sales would rally if more people knew that Mario, Donkey Kong, and Animal Crossing were on the verge of going away forever. They're being too proud, and were definitely too arrogant in their thinking that the Wii U could ever go up against the PS3 or XBox 360 and definitely not against the PS4. The Wii U platform has its place but that's no where near the levels of the original Wii.
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7. March 2014 @ 11:20 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Most of the World (and definitely the USA) is completely unaware of the peril that Nintendo is in with the console arena. Nintendo's making a huge mistake by not making this more public. I think sales would rally if more people knew that Mario, Donkey Kong, and Animal Crossing were on the verge of going away forever. They're being too proud, and were definitely too arrogant in their thinking that the Wii U could ever go up against the PS3 or XBox 360 and definitely not against the PS4. The Wii U platform has its place but that's no where near the levels of the original Wii.
The characters are not on the verge of going away forever. They could be licensed endlessly to whomever is willing to pay to use them. There may be initial reluctance on Nintendo's part, but companies eventually realize that making some money is better than making no money (Mattel was too proud to allow Barbie to be in Toy Story, but they sure changed their minds for Toy Story 2).
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7. March 2014 @ 11:36 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Most of the World (and definitely the USA) is completely unaware of the peril that Nintendo is in with the console arena. Nintendo's making a huge mistake by not making this more public. I think sales would rally if more people knew that Mario, Donkey Kong, and Animal Crossing were on the verge of going away forever. They're being too proud, and were definitely too arrogant in their thinking that the Wii U could ever go up against the PS3 or XBox 360 and definitely not against the PS4. The Wii U platform has its place but that's no where near the levels of the original Wii.
Hold your horses, Nostradamus.
Nintendo is still making big bucks in portables. This can turn bad because of the smartphones/tablets, but because of Nintendo's exclusives it won't be anytime soon.
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GernBlan
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7. March 2014 @ 11:54 |
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Originally posted by sleeepy2:
The characters are not on the verge of going away forever. They could be licensed endlessly to whomever is willing to pay to use them. There may be initial reluctance on Nintendo's part, but companies eventually realize that making some money is better than making no money (Mattel was too proud to allow Barbie to be in Toy Story, but they sure changed their minds for Toy Story 2).
They will if Nintendo continues on their current path of stubborn arrogance. Of the remaining two consoles, Microsoft is likely the only one with enough money to license Nintendo, and all that would do is put Nintendo characters on another ailing console that's lagging in sales even more than Nintendo's consoles.
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GernBlan
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7. March 2014 @ 12:09 |
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Originally posted by death-s:
Hold your horses, Nostradamus.
Nintendo is still making big bucks in portables. This can turn bad because of the smartphones/tablets, but because of Nintendo's exclusives it won't be anytime soon.
Better emulators are quickly nullify Nintendo's exclusives. I can run any of the non-3DS games on my current tablet or phone right now.
I have purchased every portable Nintendo device that ever existed (including most of the original Japanese LCD "game watches"), but I did not and will not buy the 3DS (or even the 2DS), especially when the whole platform is on the verge of going belly-up. I do have 2 PS Vitas purely because even though they don't have anywhere near the titles of the Nintendo DS platform, they at least have a future.
Please don't just consider me to be a hater -- I never really cared for the 3DS, but I still think the Wii U is a really nice console, and considering the portable hardware I've bought from them over the years I'm a big fan of Nintendo.
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7. March 2014 @ 12:45 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Originally posted by death-s:
Hold your horses, Nostradamus.
Nintendo is still making big bucks in portables. This can turn bad because of the smartphones/tablets, but because of Nintendo's exclusives it won't be anytime soon.
Better emulators are quickly nullify Nintendo's exclusives. I can run any of the non-3DS games on my current tablet or phone right now.
I have purchased every portable Nintendo device that ever existed (including most of the original Japanese LCD "game watches"), but I did not and will not buy the 3DS (or even the 2DS), especially when the whole platform is on the verge of going belly-up. I do have 2 PS Vitas purely because even though they don't have anywhere near the titles of the Nintendo DS platform, they at least have a future.
Please don't just consider me to be a hater -- I never really cared for the 3DS, but I still think the Wii U is a really nice console, and considering the portable hardware I've bought from them over the years I'm a big fan of Nintendo.
First of all, Nintendo will never license their IPs, Nintendo is not going anywhere and the 3DS will not belly up. Nintendo has been making changes, although slowly and given where financially Nintendo is compared to the others, there is no doom and gloom here.
The vita is a nice piece of tech, but not to be mean, I don't think you have been paying attention to the media/market. Vita 's future is looking nonexistent right now.
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7. March 2014 @ 12:49 |
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For me it wasn't just about the stupid restrictions announced by Microsoft (that they back tracked on), or the price point of the XBox One, it was also the unreliability of the Xbox 360. How many other people out there like me ended up buying a 2nd 360 after only 12 mths due to the dreaded RROD. I know the PS3 had issues but not on the same scale.
Sorry MS, you stung me once with a poorly designed console, you won't sting me twice.
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darkprogame
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7. March 2014 @ 17:13 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Originally posted by death-s:
Hold your horses, Nostradamus.
Nintendo is still making big bucks in portables. This can turn bad because of the smartphones/tablets, but because of Nintendo's exclusives it won't be anytime soon.
Better emulators are quickly nullify Nintendo's exclusives. I can run any of the non-3DS games on my current tablet or phone right now.
I have purchased every portable Nintendo device that ever existed (including most of the original Japanese LCD "game watches"), but I did not and will not buy the 3DS (or even the 2DS), especially when the whole platform is on the verge of going belly-up. I do have 2 PS Vitas purely because even though they don't have anywhere near the titles of the Nintendo DS platform, they at least have a future.
Please don't just consider me to be a hater -- I never really cared for the 3DS, but I still think the Wii U is a really nice console, and considering the portable hardware I've bought from them over the years I'm a big fan of Nintendo.
Are you kidding me. If there's one platform that actually have a questionable future, it's the Vita. If it's still getting games in the West, you have to thank Japan for somewhat keeping it alive. Meanwhile, 3DS is selling a crapton. WTH you talking about it having no future? If it's about the Wii U's uncertain future, Nintendo isn't gonna belly up from that, they have pleeently of money left in the bank
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7. March 2014 @ 17:57 |
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Let's see how the console sales for the bone are next week with them giving away titan fall. There are many great features the bone has that i do like --> Xbox record that and twitch in a few weeks however who are they kidding with a 500 gb HD. After like 10 games you'll have to be deleting to make room for future titles lmao
No bone fanboy here because I own all the systems
No time for Leap frog!!!
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7. March 2014 @ 20:27 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Most of the World (and definitely the USA) is completely unaware of the peril that Nintendo is in with the console arena. Nintendo's making a huge mistake by not making this more public. I think sales would rally if more people knew that Mario, Donkey Kong, and Animal Crossing were on the verge of going away forever. They're being too proud, and were definitely too arrogant in their thinking that the Wii U could ever go up against the PS3 or XBox 360 and definitely not against the PS4. The Wii U platform has its place but that's no where near the levels of the original Wii.
LOL.. Another one that does not realize that while Nintendo is in a rut they have way more money than Microsoft and Sony do in their gaming divisions. I say gaming divisions because all Nintendo does is video games and MS and Sony have many departments. Both Sony and Microsoft have lost billions over the years and yet while Nintendo needs to step back up to the plate they still have nearly 9 billion in cash on hand.
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7. March 2014 @ 21:48 |
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First of all, Nintendo will never license their IPs, Nintendo is not going anywhere and the 3DS will not belly up. Nintendo has been making changes, although slowly and given where financially Nintendo is compared to the others, there is no doom and gloom here.
Actually Nintendo already licensed their IPs in the past like when Zelda joined up with Namco's Soul Calibre 2. Pokémon Conquest is a crossover between the pokémon series and Tecmo's Nobunaga's Ambition series released on DS.
Going into the future Zelda universe is teaming up with Tecmo's Dynasty Warriors for Hyrule Warriors. Finally Nintendo teams up with Atlus to bring us a Shin Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem crossover.
So to say they won't ever license IP's is false, they have and are: and evidently there is more to be announced in the future.
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deucezulu22
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7. March 2014 @ 22:06 |
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Originally posted by Mysttic:
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First of all, Nintendo will never license their IPs, Nintendo is not going anywhere and the 3DS will not belly up. Nintendo has been making changes, although slowly and given where financially Nintendo is compared to the others, there is no doom and gloom here.
Actually Nintendo already licensed their IPs in the past like when Zelda joined up with Namco's Soul Calibre 2. Pokémon Conquest is a crossover between the pokémon series and Tecmo's Nobunaga's Ambition series released on DS.
Going into the future Zelda universe is teaming up with Tecmo's Dynasty Warriors for Hyrule Warriors. Finally Nintendo teams up with Atlus to bring us a Shin Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem crossover.
So to say they won't ever license IP's is false, they have and are: and evidently there is more to be announced in the future.
No, that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about being on another console.
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GernBlan
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8. March 2014 @ 00:36 |
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Originally posted by deucezulu22:
First of all, Nintendo will never license their IPs, Nintendo is not going anywhere and the 3DS will not belly up. Nintendo has been making changes, although slowly and given where financially Nintendo is compared to the others, there is no doom and gloom here.
The doom and gloom is coming from Nintendo shutting down their WiFi Network for the original Wii and DSi. Stupid, stupid move, as that will not generate more Wii U and 3DS sales -- it's just going to piss off your existing customers.
Originally posted by deucezulu22:
The vita is a nice piece of tech, but not to be mean, I don't think you have been paying attention to the media/market. Vita 's future is looking nonexistent right now.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Are you kidding me. If there's one platform that actually have a questionable future, it's the Vita. If it's still getting games in the West, you have to thank Japan for somewhat keeping it alive. Meanwhile, 3DS is selling a crapton. WTH you talking about it having no future? If it's about the Wii U's uncertain future, Nintendo isn't gonna belly up from that, they have pleeently of money left in the bank
Uh, no...I'm not kidding you. First of all, the Vita and the 3DS currently have about the same QUANTITY of games out, give or take a dozen or so games. However, when you start talking QUALITY of games, the Vita wins hands down. And don't even get me started on quality of game play, which is when the Vita shows that it's a true portable game console and not just a 4th generation GameBoy that gives kids headaches and nausea with a lame 3D gimmick that no one uses. And that's not an exaggeration -- just ask Nintendo why they came out with the 2DS.
As for how supported the Vita is within Sony -- well, they have almost 3x as many games for the Vita as they do for the PS4, and with every PS4 game released there's usually a Vita version to go with it. My kids are still enjoying a free Vita game each month right along with the free PS3 and PS4 game through PlayStation Plus membership. Seems like a platform that's just as supported as the PS4.
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GernBlan
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Originally posted by bobiroc:
LOL.. Another one that does not realize that while Nintendo is in a rut they have way more money than Microsoft and Sony do in their gaming divisions. I say gaming divisions because all Nintendo does is video games and MS and Sony have many departments. Both Sony and Microsoft have lost billions over the years and yet while Nintendo needs to step back up to the plate they still have nearly 9 billion in cash on hand.
"LOL" back at you...another one who doesn't realize that both Sony and Microsoft can rob Peter to pay Paul (in other words, use revenue from their other divisions) to save a lagging console division. I think Sony has proven that it can carry a basically no-profit gaming console division for...oh...a decade and still be the distant #1 console in the world.
Where's Nintendo going to shuffle money from to save the dismally failing Wii U? The 3DS? The fact is with tablets and phones, no one wants to carry around a dedicated portable console anymore, so Nintendo's only success (the DS line) is about to be just as unsuccessful as the Wii line.
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deucezulu22
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8. March 2014 @ 01:34 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Originally posted by deucezulu22:
First of all, Nintendo will never license their IPs, Nintendo is not going anywhere and the 3DS will not belly up. Nintendo has been making changes, although slowly and given where financially Nintendo is compared to the others, there is no doom and gloom here.
The doom and gloom is coming from Nintendo shutting down their WiFi Network for the original Wii and DSi. Stupid, stupid move, as that will not generate more Wii U and 3DS sales -- it's just going to piss off your existing customers.
Originally posted by deucezulu22:
The vita is a nice piece of tech, but not to be mean, I don't think you have been paying attention to the media/market. Vita 's future is looking nonexistent right now.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Are you kidding me. If there's one platform that actually have a questionable future, it's the Vita. If it's still getting games in the West, you have to thank Japan for somewhat keeping it alive. Meanwhile, 3DS is selling a crapton. WTH you talking about it having no future? If it's about the Wii U's uncertain future, Nintendo isn't gonna belly up from that, they have pleeently of money left in the bank
Uh, no...I'm not kidding you. First of all, the Vita and the 3DS currently have about the same QUANTITY of games out, give or take a dozen or so games. However, when you start talking QUALITY of games, the Vita wins hands down. And don't even get me started on quality of game play, which is when the Vita shows that it's a true portable game console and not just a 4th generation GameBoy that gives kids headaches and nausea with a lame 3D gimmick that no one uses. And that's not an exaggeration -- just ask Nintendo why they came out with the 2DS.
As for how supported the Vita is within Sony -- well, they have almost 3x as many games for the Vita as they do for the PS4, and with every PS4 game released there's usually a Vita version to go with it. My kids are still enjoying a free Vita game each month right along with the free PS3 and PS4 game through PlayStation Plus membership. Seems like a platform that's just as supported as the PS4.
No it's not, the wifi on Wii and DS was owned by a third party and was bought out by another company. It would be stupid not to focus on your primary console and handheld. What existing customers, hardly anyone use the Wii network anyway, it was just a waste of money, and a lot of gaming journalist and financial analyst agree with this.
And no, the Vita does not have the quality or quantity of what the 3DS has. Why in the world do you think the Vita is not selling, while the 3DS is flying off shelves? No one uses the 3D? Ya sure, I mean it's not like the 3DS XL was the top selling hardware hands down this past year, and set to surpass the landmark of the DS. And it's nothing like the GameBoy. Besides, buying a handheld should be bought for the games, not to be an expensive secondary controller to stream a PS4 game too. Again there is a reason why the Vita is in the dumps. Software sells hardware, in this case people want software specifically for the Vita.
Why ask Nintendo about the 2DS when Nintendo already answered the question before the handheld was released? The 2DS purpose is for younger children whose eyesight is still developing, and built to not break from the carelessness of a child. And yet the 2DS does not come near the 3DS in sales so don't even bother using that argument.
Anytime, your shareholders and the people of your board mention selling your gaming division off, that's not good (Microsoft). It's been stated that Microsoft only makes money on Live when it comes to their gaming division and they are not gaining any profits from it, that's a fact. Sony is in the dumps, it's the fact that their gaming division is barely keeping them aloft is a terrible scenario. You don't go selling your PC division where 5,000 people loss their jobs, sell off 20 retail stores where 1,000 loss their jobs, and scale back your smart phone division from the US market then say that they can continue on with consoles? I'm sure Sony would not approve your views.
Smart phones and Tablets is in a market of their own, besides if that was true the 3DS would of been dead two years ago. Saying that the 3DS will be unsuccessful when it's on a early path to surpass the DS is just plain ignorance. But yet you mention this claim against the 3DS, but say nothing about the Vita.
You really need to brush up on your info man, because you are way off.
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Interestx
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8. March 2014 @ 08:11 |
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Originally posted by JOHNSTARR:
however who are they kidding with a 500 gb HD.
Nobody.... with an decent sized external drive or, in the case of the PS4, are prepared to fit their own larger one.
I don't understand why anyone would want to pay for a relatively small hard drive in any game system at all, they should - as they now are - just sell them with whatever is the cheapest practical size & allow owners to either fit their own bigger drives (as per the PS3/PS4) or connect any size external (as per the XB1).
The Xbox 360 was a little different but it got better over time with bigger drives (and allowing the use of a firmwared WD customer sourced drive) which along with the use of an external drive (even if it wasn't for loading game data) went a long way to maximising it's practicality).
So, what's the problem?
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GernBlan
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8. March 2014 @ 08:53 |
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Originally posted by deucezulu22:
You really need to brush up on your info man, because you are way off.
Notice I didn't even bother to quote your whole post. Why? Because you're doing nothing except offering opinion. "Brush up on the info" yourself -- compare the specs and you'd see that it is a fact not opinion that the Vita is vastly superior hardware. And if software is what sells hardware then how do you explain the Vita and 3DS having about the same number of games available? Flawed. Your argument about the 2DS implies that you think that mostly adults or even older kids are the ones buying the 3DS. Check your info again -- everything Nintendo is vastly targeted at very young children, so are you admitting what I said that the 3DS's 3D is bad for the majority of their target audience? Flawed.
It doesn't matter how great you think the 3DS is when it's the only item selling with a Nintendo logo on it. It's not going to save that company. They can't survive on 3DS sales alone,especially not in a niche market that has already been virtually dominated with phones and tablets, which are not in a market of their own when their game software numbers already beats all consoles in history combined. Remember, you said it -- software sells hardware, right?
Again, I've owned every Nintendo portable, but like many I stopped at buying the 3DS because it's a relic that you don't get anything more than the DSi offers unless you're a fan of that bad 3D gimmick.
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I think the WiiU appeared like a good idea, "kids like touchscreens so why not have a touchscreen and make it a controller too... nifty!". But I think the real issue with it is that it's not a very powerful console. I know the Wii wasn't either but it had a novelty factor that overcame it, that and it's reputation for being "family friendly". I get the impression that while many many people thought the Wii was a good idea too they mostly ended up gathering dust on the shelf.
Pretty sure that when the N64 and the Cube were released they were the most powerful consoles at the time.
That said, I kind of like the similar idea of the Vita and it's connectivity to the PS3 and PS4. Sony has this way of copying what the other consoles are doing just making it optional. I might get around to a second hand one one day.
Originally posted by Interestx:
The Xbox 360 was a little different but it got better over time with bigger drives (and allowing the use of a firmwared WD customer sourced drive)...
I did that!... but I had no idea that it was "allowed". You sure?
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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deucezulu22
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8. March 2014 @ 11:27 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Originally posted by deucezulu22:
You really need to brush up on your info man, because you are way off.
Notice I didn't even bother to quote your whole post. Why? Because you're doing nothing except offering opinion. "Brush up on the info" yourself -- compare the specs and you'd see that it is a fact not opinion that the Vita is vastly superior hardware. And if software is what sells hardware then how do you explain the Vita and 3DS having about the same number of games available? Flawed. Your argument about the 2DS implies that you think that mostly adults or even older kids are the ones buying the 3DS. Check your info again -- everything Nintendo is vastly targeted at very young children, so are you admitting what I said that the 3DS's 3D is bad for the majority of their target audience? Flawed.
It doesn't matter how great you think the 3DS is when it's the only item selling with a Nintendo logo on it. It's not going to save that company. They can't survive on 3DS sales alone,especially not in a niche market that has already been virtually dominated with phones and tablets, which are not in a market of their own when their game software numbers already beats all consoles in history combined. Remember, you said it -- software sells hardware, right?
Again, I've owned every Nintendo portable, but like many I stopped at buying the 3DS because it's a relic that you don't get anything more than the DSi offers unless you're a fan of that bad 3D gimmick.
Are you that dense? It doesn't matter if the Vita has superior tech, if it's not selling then the whole point is mute (same happened with the PSP). Same goes with software, so no the Vita's library of games does not compare to the 3DS let alone sales. There is a reason Nintendo was granted best Publisher of the Year of 2013, because they were far in the lead in terms of overall software sold.
Nintendo market their games for everyone, not just kids so no their target is not just for children. Besides, you need to read, the 2DS is designed for a proper age limit, it's the same reason movie theaters have warning signs that 3D is not good for kids at certain ages. Nice try though. Your opinion about how relevant you think the 3D is while the 3DS XL flies off of shelves is irrelevant. Sales is the indication of what the consumer wants, and that is the 3DS and a majority have deemed it a great system.
Everything I have stated is fact and can be easily Googled to clarify. Does Nintendo need to make changes? That is very much the case. Do they need to be saved? Hardly? Your awareness of what goes on in the gaming industry is severely limited. You are too invested in your ignorance.
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Mysttic
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8. March 2014 @ 20:28 |
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"No, that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about being on another console. "
Soul Calibre 2 was on all platforms when it released: so yes it's rare but not unthinkable. As Nintendo said, they would do it if they see profitability and recognizable potential sales towards their hardware.
Last so what if they never would again anyhow: it's not like you going to see Sony release God of War/Infamous/ anything Naughty Dog is going to land on Xbox or Wii.
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8. March 2014 @ 23:28 |
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deucezulu22, play nice or you might hear the approaching thunder & pay for it.
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8. March 2014 @ 23:31 |
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What do you mean? Nothing harsh was said? What is the problem?
Anyhow @mystic,
Though that is true, still you could only play as link on the GameCube version and not on the other consoles.
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