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How do you back up doom 3, safedisc 3.20.022?
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Shoey
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20. August 2004 @ 14:19 |
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If you have the CD burning software Alcohol 120% installed you need to turn off all of the emulation options.
1) Go to File > Options.
2) Click on Emulation in the menu to the left.
3) Uncheck all options in the window to the right.
If you have CloneCD you need to turn off the Hide CDR media setting. This setting is accessable from the task tray icon for clone CD. Right-click on the icon and uncheck Hide CDR media. If it is not accessable or greyed out you need to do the following:
1. If the CloneCD Tray icon is running, right-click on it in the system tray and select Exit to close it down.
2. Go into Windows Control Panel, then open Regional and Language Options.
3. Change your Language setting from "English (United States)" to some other English country like "English (United Kingdom)" or "English (Canada)". Click, OK to save the language setting change. Note: you must change the Language, NOT the "Location" setting. The "Location" setting has no effect on this issue.
4. Now start the CloneCD Tray icon back up from the CloneCD start menu program group.
5. Right-click on the CloneCD icon in the system tray and you'll notice the "Hide CDR Media" option is no longer grayed out and has a checkmark next to it.
6. Select the "Hide CDR Media" option to remove the checkmark and disable the option.
7. Close the CloneCD Tray icon again (right-click and select Exit).
8. Go back into Regional and Language Options in Control Panel and set the language option back to "English (United States)", then click OK to save the language settings.
Hold down the left shift key when inserting the game disc.
Make sure you have 32 bit drivers for your CD-ROM drive.
Set the CD-ROM cache size to zero.
Change the DMA setting on the CD-ROM drive.
Make sure the drive letters for the CD-ROM is set correctly.
Make sure that the location for CD music to play is set correctly.
Make sure your system can successfully play Audio CD's.
Turn off Auto Insert Notification.
If you have disabled the options within your cd emulation software, and it is still causing a conflict. You may want to contact the software manufacturer. They may know which settings need to be disabled. If you do not wish to contact the manufacturer and you can't figure out which settings to turn off you should uninstall the software and attempt to reinstall without the cd emulation portion of the program.
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It appears that this latest Safedisc 3.20.022(backups) on Doom 3 detects any "emulation" software installed on your pc (Alcohol 120%, CloneCD, Daemon Tools). Your best option to try and make a working backup is:
1) DiscDump& FireBurner
2) Paddus DiscJuggler
3) Blindwrite Suite 4.57
4) Blindwrite 5
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You can use Alcohol 120%, CloneCD and create bin& cue, uninstall>reboot and burn RAO DAO 96 with FireBurner as another alternative.
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MaxForce
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20. August 2004 @ 19:54 |
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Nephilim,
Thank you for your info.
Unfortunately I can't get the Plex Premium where I live unless I order it. However the Lite-On 53327s is available. Should I wait and order the Plex Premium? Is it better? Will the Lite-On 52327s read and write Doom 3?
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20. August 2004 @ 20:42 |
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Hi,
Personally I'd wait, you'll be glad you did :)
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22. August 2004 @ 13:36 |
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I just used CloneCD, selected the Protected GameCD setting. Everything worked just fine, it took a good while to read the entire first disc, it's the only one with SafeDisc on it anyway.
Read Drive= Samsung DVD-ROM SD-616E
Write Drive = CDWRITER IDE3112
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MaxForce
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31. August 2004 @ 05:07 |
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I went out and bought the Lite-On 52327s burner as it is one of the burners confirmed here to make a working back up of Doom 3. The Plextor is not available in my state of South Australia. I don't wanna pay $138 USD for it on ebay either.
I can not make a working backup of Doom 3 using the 52327s.
This is a time saving preperation preventing uninstalling and re-installing. First install Doom 3 with the originals. Then test if it runs. It does. Next read and write an image of disc 1 to cd-r.
I used Alcohol 120. Read at 4x. Check skip reading errors and fast skip error blocks. SafeDisk 2/3. Also I have all three boxes checked in the emulation options.
My Lite-On is set to Master disk not slave.
I have read that people have done backups of Doom 3 with the 52327s. However I can confirm that I can not:(
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31. August 2004 @ 05:18 |
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I have been meaning to reply to thread as well. I got my new Asus 5232AS Saturday and it didn't make a backup of D3 either. Now, that was out of the box with the newiest A120% and read at 8 times. I have since applied the newest firmware and will try to read it at 4 times and see if that work. Have class tonight so I probably won't try till Wednesday.
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MaxForce
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31. August 2004 @ 05:46 |
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If I can make a working backup on HD using emulation (purely for test purposes) then is it true that the read speed does not need to be lowered "to better read the weak sectors"? This convinces me that I can read it so my read settings are all okay. The problem must relate to the burners ability to write.
The Lite-On 52327s is a 2 sheep burner. However using the test from http://www.petemoore.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sheep_test/sheep.zip
It will not burn the bad.bat file. I.e it is a 2 sheep burner but not an excellent 2 sheep burner
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Shoey
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31. August 2004 @ 06:10 |
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Check skip reading errors and fast skip error blocks
Don't enable skip read errors and fast skip errors m8. Read the image of Doom 3 (CD 1) at 4x and burn RAO DAO at 4x. If Alcohol 120% fails to make a working backup, then try using BlindWrite Suite 4.57. What brand name dvd or cd rom are you using to spin up Doom 3? This "might" be the problem...
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31. August 2004 @ 06:20 |
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I have been meaning to reply to thread as well. I got my new Asus 5232AS Saturday and it didn't make a backup of D3 either. Now, that was out of the box with the newiest A120% and read at 8 times. I have since applied the newest firmware and will try to read it at 4 times and see if that work. Have class tonight so I probably won't try till Wednesday
Don't enable fast error skip, read the image of Doom 3 (CD 1) at 4x and burn RAO DAO at 4x. Play the backup in your dvd or cd-rom and what brand name is it?
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MaxForce
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31. August 2004 @ 07:26 |
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Shoey,
I am using the Lite-On to both read/write. Thanks for the tips I'll try that out tomorrow but I have to go to sleep now.
Also I have been trying for about a week to back up my Grand Theft Auto Vice City using the default SecuROM settings read write at MAX and DPM at 1X in Alcohol 120%.
I even mounted the image from Install disk and installed it but game wont start.
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31. August 2004 @ 07:54 |
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Thought I might try it otherwise I wouldn't be able to sleep. Following your advice Quote:
Don't enable skip read errors and fast skip errors
I proceeded to write image. Alcohol immediately halts "unrecovered read error" Image file writing aborted. Am I running into this trouble because The game is already installed? I am using my 52327s lite-On to read/write
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31. August 2004 @ 10:09 |
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Also I have been trying for about a week to back up my Grand Theft Auto Vice City using the default SecuROM settings read write at MAX and DPM at 1X in Alcohol 120%.
Read and write at 4X, not Max :)
BlindWrite works better for SecuRom games so you might give that a try.
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I proceeded to write image. Alcohol immediately halts "unrecovered read error" Image file writing aborted.
Is the disc clean and scratch free?
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Shoey
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31. August 2004 @ 13:07 |
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One more question. What about DVD burner and the newer safedisc? The more I think about this I would rather replace my dvd burner and get an 8x rather than replace my cd burner if I can get away with it.
The Lite-ON dvd drives can backup up to Safedisc 3.10(Call Of Duty) and SecuROM 4.85(Max Payne 2). Lite-ON dvd drives are by far less expensive than Plextor dvd drives. You can buy a Lite-ON 12x dvd drives at Newegg.com for 75.00 USA dollars and a Plextor Premium (52\32\52x) for 82.00 USA Dollars. If it were me, I would go this route.
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31. August 2004 @ 13:11 |
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Also I have been trying for about a week to back up my Grand Theft Auto Vice City using the default SecuROM settings read write at MAX and DPM at 1X in Alcohol 120%.
I even mounted the image from Install disk and installed it but game wont start.
What brand name dvd or cd-rom do you own? Use Blindwrite 5 for SecuROM 4.8x backups m8 as backing up GTA: Vice City isn't that difficult.
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Shoey
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31. August 2004 @ 13:13 |
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I proceeded to write image. Alcohol immediately halts "unrecovered read error" Image file writing aborted. Am I running into this trouble because The game is already installed? I am using my 52327s lite-On to read/write.
Try Blindwrite Suite 4.57 or CloneCD and FireBurner?
What brand name dvd or cd-rom do you own?
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31. August 2004 @ 13:30 |
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Don't enable fast error skip, read the image of Doom 3 (CD 1) at 4x and burn RAO DAO at 4x. Play the backup in your dvd or cd-rom and what brand name is it?
It is an Asus burner and actually the only I set was the safedisc 2/3 selection. I will try these sugestions.
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31. August 2004 @ 13:53 |
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You misunderstood me m8. One needs to play a backup of DOOM 3 in a dvd or cd-rom. Again, what brand name dvd or cd-rom do you own?
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31. August 2004 @ 13:58 |
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Afterdawn forums doesn't endorse the posting of links to other forums. However, in the case of backing up Safedisc 3.20.022, this alone has become a nightmare for people around the globe. In no way am I endorsing CD Freaks forums, but rather "sharing" the knowledge on how to backup this very tough cd protection. Browse through the thread and see how many other people accross the globe are making backups with little success and a few cd burners.
Club CD Freaks, how to backup Safedisc 3.20.022 http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=96383&highlight=doom
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31. August 2004 @ 15:31 |
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Actually I meant to say As I begin to READ the disc (DOOM 3) Alcohol halts, after a few seconds a dialog box pops up: Process was not completed! Do you want to delete the files? - Unrecovered read error. This is slightly different to what I said before (write) -sorry. Following your advice Shoey, I deslected the skip and fast skip boxes. This action changes the datatype in alcohol to customise it is no longer set to safedisc 2/3 when I change these settings. Alcohol automatically changes it to customise. Perhaps bec I have installed the game and I should uninstall it first?
P.s I'll try GTA vice city later at 4x. It's just that the examples in the Alcohol help file shows maximum. I should have ignored it and gone with 4x.
I don't have a cdrom or dvdrom installed. Just the Lite-on 52327s and a Pioneer 107d dvd burner
Oh yeah Shoey I already had that thread bookmarked and read it before. Where can I get Alcoholer? What is it?
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Hey Shoey thank you for your help. And thank you for the links.
In regards to Vice city:
I slowed down the read and write speeds to 4x and used the settings http://support.alcohol-soft.com/en/knowledgebase.php?postid=1531&title=R.M.P.S The game installed and ran but only if I had the install cd in the drive while starting up vice city.
If I had the burned play cd in, it would not start. If I had the original play cd in the drive it would start. So I used the same settings for secuROM for to copy the play cd again. This time everything works. The game starts with my burned copy of Vice City PLAY cd in the drive.
I previously used ProtectionID v.5 but now switched to A-ray Scanner. A-ray picked up secuROM on Vice city Play cd.
P.S I didn't think that the play cd had any protection. I scanned with Protection ID v5.
P.P.S NewEgg does not ship to Australia unfortunately. I would really like to buy the Plextor Premium.
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How to backup SecuROM 4.8.3 withAlcohol 120%
Follow this guide on how to backup GTA: Vice City
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1. Start by making an image of the play cd of the game you want to copy. The datatype setting to use is securom new (not securom new 4.x) for this purpose and the image must be saved in CloneCD format and not in alcohol?s native format. Reading speed doesn?t matter. Max speed will be fine. [Note: If the game has more than one cd, the only one that will be protected will be the one that has to be in the drive to play the game. The other cd/s can be copied by just using your favorite general burning software (Nero, burnatonce) without any special settings.
2. Then either download a bwa file for the cd you want to copy or use blindwrite's bwa builder to make your own. If you're able to download a bwa file, then you can proceed straight to patching with Alcoholer 4x\TwinCreator. If not, well you'll just have to make one.
3. Next make a bwa file (skip this step if you've downloaded one). To make a bwa file, you need to use blindwrite's bwa builder. There is no need for blindwrite itself to be on your system. You can install blindwrite, copy the bwa builder exe file to another folder (Desktop preferably)or on your hard drive and then uninstall blindwrite if you don't want it on your system. The patin-couffin layer necessary for the bwa builder to function won't be removed when blindwrite is uninstalled.] There are two ways to use the bwa builder to make a good bwa file
a) Once you've put the play cd into your chosen reader, start the bwa builder. Select the reader, if you've got more than one, and speed. Various speeds (1x to 40x) usually work best but not always so experiment and see what works best for you and then click start. You'll then be asked if you want the program to set the last sector automatically. Either say yes if you want the bwa builder to analyze the whole cd or say No and set it yourself. If you say no, then you'll need to have previously set the max sector yourself - blackcheck has indicated that 50,000 is usually enough. The analysis will then start.
When it's finished, ,the graph will show a fairly smooth curve with only one or two spikes and preferably none. Don't worry if you can't get the perfect spikeless curves as not everyone is going to be able to achieve his flawless results. If there are only one or two spikes the copy will still work ok, particularly if the spikes aren't in the first 50,000 sectors (the copy will probably be a little slower to verify than one made with a spikeless bwa file but it will still work). [Tip: Don't terminate the analysis just because a number of spikes appear on the graph while the analysis is proceeding. Wait until it's finished because most all of them will be eliminated by the bwa builder as it completes the process. If there's a lot of spikes in the graph, don't bother with it. It won't work. Try again and if you again get a bad graph try at a different speed or with a different reader. Once you get one that looks ok, click on file and then save BWA to save the file.
b) If you can't get a good .bwa file just using the bwa builder, then you'll have to try to make one by converting an .mds file created by alcohol. To make an mds file with alcohol simply make an image of the play cd using securom new 4.x settings in mds/mdf format. When you're asked to select the measuring speed for the DPM function, again you'll probably get better results at low speed(1-4x). When it's finished making the image files, run the bwa builder and load the mds file by clicking on file and then load BWA/MDS. If the graph looks ok then create a .bwa file by clicking on File and then Convert MDS -> BWA. This will create a .bwa file in the same folder as your .mds file. You can then delete the mds/mdf files as they're no longer needed.
4. Now it's time to patch the image files.Open Alcoholer 4.x and locate the Alcohol 120% tab folder and run TwinCreator and leave the default of 15 as it works fine for me. However, 6 and 50 are also known to work. Select the .ccd file and the .bwa file and then click start TwinCreator.Click select support image and locate the .ccd file now click select media-description and locate the bwa file and then click start. When it's finished, you'll have three new files in the same folder where you saved the original image files. Those files will be patched.ccd, patched.img and patched.sub.
5. You've patched the image files and you're now ready to burn your back-up copy. Just start alcohol?s image burning wizard and burn patched.ccd using the securom new (not securom new 4.x) datatype setting. Because this type of copy is anything but standard,, you'll probably get better results if you burn at relatively low speed (say 8x). Before burning you'll be warned that the image size doesn't match the lead-out specified in the toc and you'll be given three burning options. The first option is correct: "Keep TOC as on source cd, write until end of image file".
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It is much easier to make a backup of SecuROM 4.8.x using Blindwrite 4.57 or Blindwrite 5 :)
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You misunderstood me m8. One needs to play a backup of DOOM 3 in a dvd or cd-rom. Again, what brand name dvd or cd-rom do you own?
Ah ha, you would be correct sir. I don't have regular cd or dvd rom in my system. All I have is the liteon LDW411S and The Asus 5232AS.
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I don't have regular cd or dvd rom in my system
Then you need to purchase a dvd or cd-rom to determine if your Safedisc backups work. I personally endorse the Lite-ON dvd-roms m8.
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