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How will the PS3 pass Dolby-TruHD, DTS-HD, SACD
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23. June 2006 @ 08:02 |
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Currently SACD and MLP layers have to be passed through the 6 channel analogue output. The PS3 is not equipped with these connections. Any thoughts?
-Matt
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23. June 2006 @ 08:08 |
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Is there a link that says it's not equipped with these.Not second guessing you ,I'm just curious.It's weird cause sony is the founder and developer of SACD along with philips.
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eatsushi
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23. June 2006 @ 08:10 |
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HDMI should be able to pass multi-channel digital audio.
From the HDMI wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
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Beginning with version 1.2, HDMI now supports up to 8 channels of one-bit audio. One-bit audio is what is used on Super Audio CDs.
A previous thread confirms the PS3 will have HDMI 1.3
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23. June 2006 @ 08:15 |
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I just looked at the pictures of the back of the PS3 and noticed that there was no 6 ch out. This is strange because under the specs of the PS3 it says that it will play SACD. I was just wondering if there has been new licensing passed to allow SACD to be passed digitally like with a toslink or digital coax.
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23. June 2006 @ 08:19 |
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Am I to assume that those without an HDMI compatible receiver or pre/pro will not be able to decode SACD. If this is the case, it seems like Sony dropped the ball on that one. Many receivers do not come equipped with HDMI until you hit the $800 mark. And even then they will usually only pass video.
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eatsushi
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23. June 2006 @ 08:21 |
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The multichannel audio from your SACD will be output thru the PS3's HDMI port. You won't need a 6-channel out.
http://www.hdmi.org/consumer/faq.aspQuote:
Does HDMI support SACD?
HDMI version 1.2 features support for One Bit Audio format, such as SuperAudio CD's DSD (Direct Stream Digital)
... and yes you will need a receiver or pre-amp/decoder with HDMI input.
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23. June 2006 @ 08:42 |
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If the HDMI is the only option to pass SACD that is a real shame. I have a NAD separate system that is one of the best processor/amp combos on the market, but it doesn't have HDMI because it is about 2 years old now. It seems to me that unless you just recently upgraded to a receiver with HDMI inputs you will be left out in the cold. Even the suckers that paid 5k for a top of the line piece with HDMI about a year ago will not be able to pass audio through HDMI. Plus Sony is not going to offer DVD-A on the PS3. Not really a surprise but definitely a disappointment. If Sony was hoping to market the PS3 as a universal machine that would eliminate the need for other stand alone media players I think they dropped the ball. Not that I am PS3 bashing, I am a custom installer and I am probably looking at this from a different perspective than most of you. My frustration is that it probably would have cost Sony between $7-$10 to include a 6 channel analogue output that would cover every one who has bought a home theater in the last 5 years. Sony went cheep on us.
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23. June 2006 @ 08:58 |
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huh... that sucks.I understand your frustration.It's a valid point.If sony did not include one can you maybe buy an adapter dongle or something similar?
<edit> Never mind .I wasn't thinking there.
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23. June 2006 @ 09:18 |
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That is a valid question. Obviously there would be a mess with copy protection licenses, but it would be nice if there were a HDMI to 6 channel converter box. A DAC almost.
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eatsushi
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23. June 2006 @ 09:18 |
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@airball:
Here's one way of looking at the situation: Once BluRay/HD-DVD become commonplace you will be dealing more and more with Dolby-TruHD and DTS-HD soundtracks. At this point you will probably have enough reason to upgrade your audio setup to include the latest HDMI specs plus at least another pair of speakers for 7.1 surround. You may not be able to use the PS3 as an SACD player at this time but in the future...
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23. June 2006 @ 10:55 |
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I understand what you mean eatsushi and I'm sure airball is aware of that.But with all do respect this guy just bought a top of the line system 2yrs back.The ps3 is coming out soon and in a few yrs maybe he will upgrade but he needs something to play with until then.
geez... technology these days.You can't even buy a product and enjoy it before some newer technology comes along and makes you obsolete.It's everything not just ps3 though so I can't really blame sony.The rich get richer and we just keep getting broke trying to keep up with them.
sorry just thinking out loud there lol.
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23. June 2006 @ 12:11 |
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Obviously technology will evolve and people with the old technology will get surpassed and I have no problem with that. I wouldn't make any money if I did, after all I am in the business. My frustration is that manufacturers never seem to be able to build complementary equipment. For example HDMI is the best connection and that is pretty much undisputed. It has the ability to carry an HD signal for both audio and video. My question is this, why was HDMI regulated to carrying only video when it first came out. That slows the progress of the technology. So now people, with the exception to the those what have just recently upgraded, are unable to fully take advantage of the PS3's capabilities. In his previous post, eatsushi mentioned the new HD audio formats Dolby-TruHD and DTS-HD. Again, people will have to upgrade their system to accommodate these technologies, UNLESS, Sony were to include the 6 channel analog output that I have been ranting about. If those 10 dollar connectors were included on the PS3, it would be possible to decode those shiny new audio layers at the PS3 and send them via the 6 channel out to the receiver. And as I said before, anyone who has bought a receiver with in the last few years has these connections on the back which would make it possible for these new formats to be used with no upgrade to the consumer. Toshiba's new HD DVD player the HD-A1 and Pioneers new HD-BD1 both have these capabilities and I am sure new machines in the future will also. It is my opinion that these new HD audio formats are going to be an even more crucial point to home theater than SACD, so in essence eatsushi has helped to strengthen my point, WHICH IS, Sony has limited themselves to releasing a very cool gaming system instead of a top of the line Blu Ray DVD player. One machine to rule them all! Sony knew that they were putting the decoding capabilities in the box, the just missed the part of getting them out. If the only way to do this is digitally??, then it really hurts them in the long run.
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23. June 2006 @ 12:37 |
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I think the best solution is for Sony to allow SACD, DVD-A, Dolby-TruHD, and DTS-HD to all be passed to a receiver via toslink (optical) or digital coax. In addition of course to HDMI.
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23. June 2006 @ 12:50 |
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@airball:
That would be the perfect solution to this issue. However, two constraints come to mind when dealing with toslink or digital coax: (1) encryption, and (2) bandwidth (especially with DolbyHD and DTS-HD).
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23. June 2006 @ 12:58 |
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So that brings us back to the analog output. I will still be purchasing a PS3 and will probably love it for what it is, I just had hopes that it would be a unit that catered to everyone, not just the gamers. It definitely has the hardware and potential to be an incredible home theater piece as well. I guess I'll hope for the best but be prepared to be screwed again.
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23. June 2006 @ 17:19 |
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Well in any case check into that dongle thing.I'm not saying they exist or don't but it's worth a try.Good luck.
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23. June 2006 @ 18:01 |
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Will do. I really appreciate everyone's thoughts on the matter. I do have to say that it has made me consider buying a stand alone HD or Blu Ray player first and picking up a PS3 in a few years (once the price comes down). My original plan was to use the PS3 as my primary machine but I am not sure that it is up to the task, and I watch allot more movies than play video games. Hopefully Sony is aware of these issues and has a plan for them. I will keep my eyes open for a solution, although it is likely that you guys will here about it long before I do.
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23. June 2006 @ 18:15 |
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I just want to say one more thing too.It was people like you that sony was targeting for their "all in one" system that plays games,movies,music and more.I have to admit it seems stupid for sony to do this.Why would they put in a $1000 bluray and not include the $7 analog audio part?Not everyone has hdmi you know and forcing it on us only makes us go soemwhere else.
Everyone on this forum section knows I stick up for ps3 when things are getting crappy.But they shouldn't have done this.Just my two sense though.See ya.
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23. June 2006 @ 20:11 |
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Absolutely right. We both know the name of this game. Sony intentionally corners the consumer. You either upgrade (hopefully with a Sony product) or miss out on the new technologies that the PS3 will carry. As I said, Toshiba and Pioneer Elite have both made it so that you can export the new audio formats through analog cables and not have to upgrade. These measures to include a 6 or 7 channel out is so inexpensive to the manufacturer that it is unheard of not to. I had always assumed that Sony would do the same especially when I saw that the PS3 offered SACD. I just happened to be killing some time today when I wandered onto the PS3's website and realized that these outputs were missing. I was shocked. It is funny how we check to make sure that the latest and greatest technologies are there, but can overlook the absence of one that has been equipped on DVD players since 2001. It hurts my head to try and figure out why Sony omitted them from the unit. As you mentioned, it is the people who have a large investment in a home theater, or in my case a custom installer, who look to the PS3 to be more than a game machine. If it was not Sony's intention to cater to that demographic, then why does it cost 600 bucks. (Rhetorical question, I am fully aware of the guts in it that make it a small fortune.)
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23. June 2006 @ 20:43 |
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Yep your right.I'm a senior member now.Just imagine Ive posted over 500 messages to the ps3 forum alone.Ive only been a member since may 20th lol.
You didn't come here bashing anything.You came with facts and a legit complaint.Most bashers come here just to talk about how much better xbox 360 is and that's when I storm on em lol.But for real, If the xbox 360 provides more for you go ahead and get it.It has some great features although I think ps3 will be superior.
You'll find on afterdawn that most don't come with facts and are easily despensed of.If you start your own personal page go ahead and add me to your buddies list and i'll do the same(just click on my name to see an example of a personal page).I'll keep you posted on possible solutions.
Here's an example of a simple thing that noobs turned into an arguement (toward the end).Like I said they don't come with facts.http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/356811
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