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Good ps3 guide.
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20. July 2006 @ 14:14 |
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20. July 2006 @ 15:11 |
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not more than this one.
http://www.ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=27123
the 2nd post completely rips apart and explains the ps3 and 360 differences in how efficient they really are. its a good read, i think you read it tho. still its long, enjoy more of it.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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20. July 2006 @ 17:14 |
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Mine was mainstream as where this one is highly technical.I read some of it and most of it is good.There was some holes in it as mentioned on judychicks thread.
But for gamespot to come out and say some of that is impressive.
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21. July 2006 @ 05:33 |
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Ok i'll comment after my eyes stop bleeding from reading those uber long posts
XXYYQQOO!!! Yeah WELCOME TO JAMROCK
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21. July 2006 @ 11:31 |
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ahaha i feel the same way. but both do let you know well about the ps3 and who is better for why, and all the schemes to say "omg general performance, 360 pwns ps3!!1!" when he shows almost little is needed in gaming, and how the 360 doesnt have anything to do that is much general performance pressure anyways.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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21. July 2006 @ 14:22 |
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Wow I'm out of my league.I like tycobb's better cause it's more on par with my mind lol.
anubis66's is nice to but I'm not going to read all that.Plus I don't understand half of it.
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21. July 2006 @ 14:40 |
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well certain quotes of it need to be known. ill post a few of the important ones for those who dont want to read it all
"I recall an article IGN released short after or during E3 2005 comparing Playstation 3 and Xbox360. Microsoft analyzed their total system bandwidth in the Xbox360 and came up with some outrageous numbers compared to the Playstation 3. One of the big reasons for this total number being higher is the 256GB/s bandwidth between the daughter die and parent die in the Xenos(graphics chip). I will explain the use of the eDRAM memory later, but it is important to know that the logic performed between those two components with 256GB/s bandwidth hardly constitutes a system component where considering game processing takes place. Additionally, Microsoft added up bandwidths that weren?t relevant to major component destinations such as ?to CPU? or ?to GPU.? Context like that matters a lot, because bandwidth between any two elements is only as fast as the slowest memory bus in-between. The only bandwidth figures that make sense to add together are those on separate buses to the end destination."
"The biggest ugly (and this really is a big one) in the Xbox360 diagram should be the location of the CPU relative to the main system memory. It has to be accessed through the GPU?s memory controller. The Xbox360 GPU?s memory has 22.4GB/s bandwidth to the system?s unified memory, and this bandwidth is split between the GPU?s needs and the CPU?s. A simple investigation would show that if the Xenon(Xbox360 CPU) was using its full 21.6GB/s bandwidth to system memory, there would be 800MB/s left for the GPU. If the GPU was using it?s full bandwidth to this memory, none would be left for anything else. Additionally, the southbridge(I/O devices) is connected through the GPU also, and all of these devices are actually destined to go to the CPU unless sound for the Xbox360 is done on the Xenos. The impact of this is considerably less since I/O devices probably won?t exceed more than a few hundred MB/s during a game, and isn?t shared by GPUs 22.4GB/s access to main memory. This bandwidth is still going through the same bus that the CPU uses to access RAM though."
"What this general purpose power does grant Xbox360 owners over Playstation 3 is the ability to run general purpose applications faster. If the Xbox360 had a web browser(official or not), the design for such an application would work better on a general purpose CPU(s). That being said, it?s too bad Xbox360 doesn?t come with one, and web browsers don?t put the highest demand on general purpose processors to begin with. Most general purpose applications remain idle until the user gives actually input. The application will then process the task and complete before sitting idle again."
"Xbox360?s supports 4 RF(radio frequency) wireless controllers. Playstation 3 supports up to 7 wireless Bluetooth devices ? not the keyword ?device? as it means Sony isn?t limiting it to only controllers. Bluetooth notably has a shorter battery life due to its increased bandwidth capability although this shouldn?t be an issue as Sony?s controller appears to be using a built in rechargeable battery that charges through USB. Looking at the player number support, Playstation 3 has jumped to the lead over all other consoles this generation out of the box. Will you do 7 player multiplayer? Probably not split screen, 4 players is a comfortable maximum there, but for multiplayer games where the screen is shared and all players are on the same screen, 7 players is definitely feasible.
In reference to the last section ? Playstation 3?s Bluetooth support is labeled with the word device as to be clear that it is not limited to controllers. This means that the Playstation 3 could utilize other Bluetooth devices on the market such as mice and keyboards. Bluetooth is basically aiming to be the wireless USB for computer equipment since RF devices are typically propriety end to end."
"Comparably, PCs use an AGP or PCI-E bus for CPU to graphics card (memory or GPU) communication. It is extremely low at 8GB/s on the top end (PCI-E 16x). On a PC, it is safe to say that the graphics card will not put video memory that?s needed frame by frame, on the CPU?s main memory with such a slow link. The Playstaiton 3 sports a link of 35GB/s bandwidth between its CPU and GPU alone to allow them to work together to accomplish tasks without going through a huge bandwidth bottleneck. It effectively allows the RSX to not be excluded from the 256MB XDR RAM if it needs extra video memory."
"The ?Cell factor? added into graphics processing should also be considered in boosting the visuals of Playstation 3?s graphics when compared to PC games. Unlike a desktop CPU, the Cell is actually equipped to process many of the tasks that are performed on a graphics card, and there is enough bandwidth between the Cell and RSX so they both can render graphics. The most obvious approach to getting more out of the Cell is using it to do hardware transform and lighting (T&L), and other basic or complex vertex operations that a vertex shader might do. Upon entering the geometry to the GPU, a developer would disable these rendering steps since they have been performed already and it goes through these stages on GPU?s rendering pipeline quicker, giving it more time to accomplish something in another stage like pixel shading, AA, or HDR. There is actually feasible bandwidth for pixel shader operations to be done on the Cell before it is handed back to the RSX to do nothing but move it to the frame buffer and send the output signal to the display."
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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21. July 2006 @ 15:30 |
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So basically for lack of a better thing.The ps3 is going to kick a$$!!!!
I mean I don't see xbox 360 or wii competing with it in terms of power.
Let's see here. Bluray has way more space capacity it has the ability to deliver hd content and a better visual and audio codec than regular dvd which 360 and wii will use.The cell is plain out better according to tycobb's link.The gfx card was underestimated and appears to be top of the line according to tycobbs' link.
and the ps3 is just generally better according to anubis66's last post am I missing anything?
Oh yeah and it(the $600 model) has a bluray movie player with hdmi spec 1.3 which indludes the hd audio support,built in wifi(a $100 value according to xbox 360's wifi adapter),free online,tivo,eyetoy,motion sensing,a karaoke machine,great game exclusives,support for psp,backwards compatibility,Linux os,homebrew,regular dvd player,cd player,mem card reader,bluetooth,usb,web browser with crossbar media hub....
Man I'm getting one.Did I miss anything lol?
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21. July 2006 @ 15:45 |
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Hey anubis I think we accomplished our mission, wanna go get some lunch?Ahaha lol.
Slimjimbo You did miss a few things(yep it does even more!) but your right ps3 is going to kick a$$ and me and anubis love to post facts to help folks like you who are on the fence about it.Peaceout bro.
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21. July 2006 @ 16:11 |
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Your my heroes j/k.I'm getting ps3.I missed what?
Hey ty can I add anubis66 to my buddies list like you lol.I saw that wacko say all those bad things about the both of you.What a psycho.
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21. July 2006 @ 16:36 |
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you know, one thing i dont get is how he says bluray 2x is slower than dvd 12x. the bluray 1x speed is 36mbs, and the dvd 1x is 1.9mbs. so in total, bluray 2x is 72mbs, and dvd 12x is 22.8mbs. if it were slower, the high def rates would not be accomplished.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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21. July 2006 @ 16:52 |
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There were holes anubis like I said.Your right the bluray spin time is much higher than one might believe.It alarmed me at first too I must admit but after researching it I now know bluray 2x is much faster than it appears.
@slim yo you missed the fact that it's sony who has a great track record and other features as well.But no worries.Hey anubis is stingy with his buddies list so I wouldn't count on it.Even I'm not on his yet lol.He's cool though so go for it.No harm in being nice and being enthusiastic about ps3.I must say though I never saw you like this slim.
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21. July 2006 @ 17:00 |
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i didnt even think of it. i thought i already had.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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21. July 2006 @ 17:18 |
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Well he added me right away tycobb so I don't know what you did to him lol.Hey tycobb I'm pretty stoned so that might answer your question.I posted my thoughts just a few hours ago on my shout box to you.Yea that's cool with me.
Well I must admit I don't know nearly as much as you'll but from the looks of it ps3 is the winner.Gamespot isn't exactly a non-trusted site.I go there alot for trailers and reveiws.I was thinking about a xbox 360 because I keep hearing so much negativity and that the xbox 360 is the best but I have ps2 and I love the games for it more.Man halo is like, just another shooter you know what I mean?
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21. July 2006 @ 17:48 |
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Ok slim I see what you mean.That's cool.
Well anyways I do see what you mean by halo it was a good but not really special fps.I think it's fun and really I love it but I wasn't enfuzed with it.
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21. July 2006 @ 17:56 |
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yeah, it was fun for awhile, and is fun for multiplayer, but its so repetative and predictable. it seems to lack action and in-game feeling.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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21. July 2006 @ 18:12 |
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my head hurtssssssss ... ow ow ...
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21. July 2006 @ 18:14 |
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Great for multi-player which I'm about to do In a minute(sorry yall).
But For me halo 1 had only 4 types of aliens basically.Just not really enough to keep my hands busy.Halo 2 improved and added dual wielding but still was same old for me.Good and fun game.I wasn't at a lazer light show though.Peace I'm out.You all be cool.
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21. July 2006 @ 18:15 |
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but seriously some one should tell the 360 fan boys... i would but i dont want them to get all huffy
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21. July 2006 @ 18:21 |
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tell them about what exactly?
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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22. July 2006 @ 05:21 |
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Idk that the PS3 is better =P .... and it will be a better gaming machine in the long run
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22. July 2006 @ 06:24 |
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The 360 fans don't care - they're too busy hacking their machines and "backing up" their games.
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22. July 2006 @ 06:46 |
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Lol judy chick I was over in the 360 section last night but I didn't get most of the threads over there.Most was about modding and stuff no good game ones you know?
AHHH well I'm not going to mod any of mine because I don't want to screw it up and end up with a brick :)
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22. July 2006 @ 06:47 |
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Thats a good reason why not to Mod it lol
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22. July 2006 @ 06:56 |
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Probably this ps3 section will turn out to be just hacking and modding to lol(unless they make a modding section for ps3 when it comes out). But yeah i agree the ps3 i think is th ebest system. Plus sony always has the best line up of games for the release of their systems.
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