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Duo Q users? Anyone else have this problem?
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elyk1212
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6. September 2006 @ 23:20 |
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Hi, Everytime I try any backup on my installed Duo Q, I get the following error:
"An error has occurred. Turn the Power Off and check the Nintendo GameCube Instruction Booklet for further instructions."
Please keep in mind I installed a NinjaMod and had to lift a pin on the bios rom. I have since removed this chip (and it was assumed defective). Also, all original games play fine.
Any ideas? BTW I have used RitekG05, ProdiscF01, TY03 and many brands recommended by GC forums.
Nothing will even come close to booting.
However, the disc laser does move about, quickly, as though it is going to load, on media it likes. It will not do this when I pop a non GC-backup/orig disc on (using the same DVD disc media brands). Something tells me the chip is *almost* doing what it is supposed to.
Thanks, Kyle
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Venom5880
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7. September 2006 @ 15:56 |
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Have you ever been able to play back-ups on it? If not, you probably have to adjust the pot before it'll be able to load back-ups.
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elyk1212
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7. September 2006 @ 17:54 |
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Hi, thanks for the reply :). Yes, I have adjusted the pot from 90ohs all the way to 250ohms. I have done so in increments of about 20 ohms.
Did you get this error when you had an incorrect impedence (pot val) on your GC?
I am curious if it is a normal error code/message for this type of thing (read error), or if it is the chip that is sending incorrect data to the DVD drive.
I may have to hook this one up to a scope or something, but it likely would not matter since I do not know the bit values it needs to output and at what baud rate. Any ideas friend? I will continue to try to fiddle with the pot setting.
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elyk1212
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8. September 2006 @ 00:02 |
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Venom5880
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8. September 2006 @ 06:12 |
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I don't have any hands on experience with a Duo Q, so I can't confirm that.
I've modded two brand new GameCubes (platinum and black) with a qoob Pro and a XenoGC, and they both work wonderfully even though I never adjusted the pot on either of them.
On a side note, you generally use a lower resistance value on the pot then your initial one if it doesn't work without adjustments.
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elyk1212
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8. September 2006 @ 07:56 |
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Could you please let me know those GC model numbers on the bottom, if possible? I am curious if the platinum one was a DOL-101... also, if you used the XenoGC on the DOL-101... since this has the same general code as the DuoQ. Also, my DOL-101 is a platinum edition.
Thanks for the pot info.
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Venom5880
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8. September 2006 @ 13:00 |
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Both are DOL-101.
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elyk1212
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8. September 2006 @ 14:11 |
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Thanks! I will have to keep an eye out for a cheap XenoGC (or replace my Duo, maybe). I don't suppose you may know if there is a on screen check to confirm the chip/install is functional? I know on Xeno you can hold start, but on DuoQ, I do not know if there is anything besides the 2 leds that flash (which appear ok).
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elyk1212
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8. September 2006 @ 23:37 |
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To all those interested, I also found this thread.
http://www.tehskeen.com/forums/showthrea...d=9874#poststop
It looks as though the problem could just be the board included in the DOL-101 models. It may have some kind of 'bigger disc check', that impedes the progress of mods with duoQ. It looks like mini media was working just fine, for them (I have not tried minis yet).
However, changing the laser and DuoQ assembly to a new motherboard, fixed the issue for them! I will see if I have the same luck and confirm my findings here.
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elyk1212
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15. September 2006 @ 16:05 |
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Ok, I switched out the DOL-101 board with the DOL-001 and it now works great! Let all DuoQ users/modders be warned, it does not work with DOL-101!! At least not my DOL-101, and apparently many others.
Thanks for all that have responded! Kyle
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spystyle
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21. September 2006 @ 11:26 |
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Howdy,
I have (2) Gamecubes, one belongs to my buddy. Mine has a "Qoob sx" chip in it and it works fine, I had to adjust the laser and sue Ritek media and all is perfect.
My buddy brought his gamecube to me with a Duo-Q chip, his cube is a DOL-101 and I don't know what mine is because I replaced the case and have no sticker.
I installed the DUO-Q into his DOL-101 and I get the red message ending in "check the instruction manual" when I boot
I was thinking this:
The duo-q can't be used in the dol-101 (correct?)
If my gamecube is a 001 I could swap the chips around, my 001 gets the duo-q and his 101 gets my qoob sx
But how can I tell what version gamecube I have if I don't have the sticker on the botom of the case?
Thank you,
Craig
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Venom5880
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21. September 2006 @ 14:02 |
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Go by your board revision. If you the serial port and digital out, then you have a DOL-001. If you don't have the serial port or the digital out, you have a DOL-101. Basically, revision A is in DOL-001 and revision B and C are in DOL-101.
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elyk1212
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21. September 2006 @ 20:46 |
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Hi again, Actually, I have found that some DOL-101 units (PAL in particular) have both the Digital and analog outputs and have been reported as working with the DuoQ. Please see my other forum:
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=22704
We have also made some observations, that could use clarification, as to hardware design for these chips. Please take a look if you are interested in clarifying this DuoQ modding issue with DOL-101. There are still unanswered questions.
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Venom5880
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22. September 2006 @ 06:27 |
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Ah, I see. That means only the revision C motherboards don't work with the DuoQ. Silver2 most likely has a revision B motherboard, which would explain why he has a DOL-101 with a digital output.
I have no idea why that's the case, either. Oh, and just to clarify, my XenoGC works just fine with the rev. C motherboard.
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elyk1212
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22. September 2006 @ 08:35 |
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Oh, and just to clarify, my XenoGC works just fine with the rev. C motherboard.
I have heard this too, however, have you personally verified this? I am wondering since they appear to be the same functionality (same outputs to the same place, at *maybe* the same time, depending on the oscillator configuration).
Thanks in advance! Kyle
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elyk1212
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22. September 2006 @ 09:54 |
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If my gamecube is a 001 I could swap the chips around
By the way, when you say 'swap chips', I assume you mean swapping the whole DVD assembly/ swapping main boards (same thing, different perspective). If you mean otherwise, don't bother un-installing the mod chip. It is way more work that it is worth. Just change main boards.
I just wanted to clarify, in case you were thinking of taking out just the mod chip.
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Venom5880
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22. September 2006 @ 11:46 |
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My brother's GameCube has a revision C board. DOL-101 without the serial port and digital out.
I had meant to post "works just fine with my revision C."
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elyk1212
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22. September 2006 @ 12:09 |
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Oh, OK. Good, good. This definitely gives us all some more info. Thanks so much!.
So verified assumptions (based on board):
DOL-101 w/digital: DuoQ (WORKING); XenoGC (WORKING);
DOL-101 revC NO DIGITAL: DuoQ(NOT WORKING, confirmed by me); XenoGC (WORKING, confirmed by others).
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spystyle
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22. September 2006 @ 15:44 |
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OK here's what I figured out:
There are 3 version of the cube (NTSC anyway)
A,B, and C
A and B have 3 ports in the back : power, video and digital
C has only 2 ports in the back : power and video
Duo-Q did not work with C, Qoob SX did work with C
I installed the Duo Q on my A or B (I'm not sure which it is) and it worked fine.
I also conformed that the laser assemblies can be swapped between versions, I swapped the laser from C to an A or B
Thank you,
Craig
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Venom5880
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22. September 2006 @ 19:40 |
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Well, the qoob Pro and SX work on all the GC revisions, no surprise there.
Also, a little something I thought about related to the DuoQ. Since it's a ripoff of the XenoGC, they may have unintentionally removed or incorrectly modified the code for revision C compatibility whenever they removed any coding that identified it as the XenoGC BIOS.
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elyk1212
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23. September 2006 @ 00:02 |
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unintentionally removed or incorrectly modified the code for revision C compatibility whenever they removed any coding that identified it as the XenoGC BIOS.
Yes, it appears to be the case. Or, it could be the oscillator is at a slightly larger/smaller freq then is required (or some other hardware limitation that is not known to me). When removing something like a routine to display a picture/message, it would likely be a trivial trap instruction to plot color points to the screen in an iterative manor. I find it odd that they could have mistaken compatibility routines (what ever this case may be), for these plot op codes (which *should* be simple MIPS instructions).
But nothing is impossible, I suppose. HA, someone should tell them. I was not a happy camper with this chip. But it could have easily been avoided if they simply said: Works with rev A,B of NTSC, only.. not on DOL-101 with no digital out... the case would have been closed, I would not have ordered it. Instead they, incorrectly, generalize by claiming complete compatibility. :/
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emu_kidid
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23. September 2006 @ 01:20 |
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Okay, DOL-101.. here's the thing. DOL-101 units use the revised bios which gives the disc exactly 12 seconds to have fully spun up and be recognized. Cheap media and if it's a big disc also will probably not make it in time and therefor will not work.
This is the same for XenoGC or DuoQ. This comes from the XenoGC author himself.
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spystyle
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23. September 2006 @ 03:51 |
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Is there a multi ISO creation tool (multiple games on one disk) that works with the Duo-Q?
Cheers,
Craig
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elyk1212
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23. September 2006 @ 10:37 |
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Great question! I am also looking for this, if it exists. Anyone?
Maybe there is a third part application that can do this like GCOS (search for the start of the next iso in disc)? Else, maybe, there would have to be a boot instruction in the mbr of the disc, that would have the ability to branch and load the first inst of the diff game images on the disc, chosen, likely, from user input.
There is a utility in the Xbox mod-scene that does just this for your multi game images. I don't use this, however. I just have the games in a folder on the xbox file system called 'Games' and tell the Xbox OS to look in this folder for 'games on Hard drive' via the config file. A little bit of a hack, I know, but it works great!
Something tells me that Nintendo designed their firmware to look up to and including the 1.4gb mark on discs.... Just guessing. If so, there could be a way around this.
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spystyle
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23. September 2006 @ 10:59 |
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Well I have tested the Dou-Q with 2 multi-game-disk-tools
"loonycube" and "GCMtool"
Neither would boot with the Duo-Q
Qoob SX boots the "GCMtool" multi-game-disks perfectly
So that's a feature you lose when you buy a $16 modchip.
I also just read a review about the XenoGC chip, apparently it is a wireless chip! It's solder points align perfectly with the points on the board so you just solder directly to the board - no wires... Funky eh? And it's only $5 more than the Duo-Q
So I guess the king of low end is the Xeno and the best chip is the Qoob.
But so far the Duo-Q has worked fine, booting single game disks burned on RitekG05 disks.
Cheers,
Craig
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