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Yet Another Console Debate Thread.
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johnblaze
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19. February 2007 @ 12:16 |
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Originally posted by anubis66:
and repetative date possible with none oter than bluray, FTW.
Actually, this can be done with any disk media.
Originally posted by cashman91:
when u buy the ps3 you are making a 4-6 year investment.
put it this way when the ps2 came out it was crap in my opinion but in one year it was rocking and taking the gaming world by storm
with the ps3 of course it is going to be on par with the 360 but the 360 has got almost to its full potential but with the ps3 the possibilities are endless.
Wii Innovation
Ps3 Multi-Media Power house
360 Cheaper weaker version of ps3
Remember his is not hattin on you other "fan boys" or other ad members but its jus my two cents and i think most people agree with me
Why make that investment now though? It's not like stocks or real estate where you have to take a risk to make good on your return. If the PS3 sucks right now but will be awesome in a year or two, why not wait until then to purchase it? It's not like the price is going to go up, as a matter of fact, it will probably be cheaper, and also, you'll probably get a better made system, and have great games to play.
I also don't understand how people say things like the 360 is maxed out or that it's a cheaper version of the PS3. The 360 has only been out for a year, what makes you think that it's maxed out, and why is it weaker than a PS3? I'm not disputing this, just wondering why people say these things when most technical articles have put the 2 systems on par with each other.
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19. February 2007 @ 12:58 |
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PSM had a comparison between the 360 and PS3 in a recent issue. I think that if I trust anyone on the subject of games it would be them. They themselves said the consoles were fairly equal. If anything, I think they preferred the 360 a little more. But I'm sure the PS3 will overcome the 360 given time.
One thing though...do you think the PS3 will ever have a controller made like the one for the 360? Cause I kind of don't like the PS3 controller...it's light, missing rumble, sixaxis stuff sucks, etc. The 360 controller seems better, especially for fps games.
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19. February 2007 @ 13:56 |
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Originally posted by jtan189:
The 360 controller seems better
I agree. The 360 controller is close to flawless. (For it's intended use, that is)
Probably my favorite traditional controller besides the SNES controller.
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19. February 2007 @ 14:36 |
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Originally posted by anubis66:
and repetative date possible with none oter than bluray, FTW.
Actually, this can be done with any disk media.
[quote=cashman91]when u buy the ps3 you are making a 4-6 year investment.
put it this way when the ps2 came out it was crap in my opinion but in one year it was rocking and taking the gaming world by storm
with the ps3 of course it is going to be on par with the 360 but the 360 has got almost to its full potential but with the ps3 the possibilities are endless.
Wii Innovation
Ps3 Multi-Media Power house
360 Cheaper weaker version of ps3
Remember his is not hattin on you other "fan boys" or other ad members but its jus my two cents and i think most people agree with me
Why make that investment now though? It's not like stocks or real estate where you have to take a risk to make good on your return. If the PS3 sucks right now but will be awesome in a year or two, why not wait until then to purchase it? It's not like the price is going to go up, as a matter of fact, it will probably be cheaper, and also, you'll probably get a better made system, and have great games to play.
I also don't understand how people say things like the 360 is maxed out or that it's a cheaper version of the PS3. The 360 has only been out for a year, what makes you think that it's maxed out, and why is it weaker than a PS3? I'm not disputing this, just wondering why people say these things when most technical articles have put the 2 systems on par with each other.[/quote]
I see your point and a good one when i was taliking about investments i didn't literally mean investments
true you can wait anywhere from 9 months to 2 yeras but you know what the ps2 is out for me
of course the price will drop on the ps3 but thats probably in one year
But u know what i know where your getting from but alreay i have the ps3 and i am happy with it. it jus kicks a$$.
waiting it out is well for suckers in this case it win win because you got something a whole lot better then what u had before.
So if your waiting it out because you want to see the ps3 potential then you are a sucker
Peace out
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19. February 2007 @ 18:44 |
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[quote]Originally posted by anubis66:
and repetative date possible with none oter than bluray, FTW.
Actually, this can be done with any disk media.
[quote=cashman91]when u buy the ps3 you are making a 4-6 year investment.
put it this way when the ps2 came out it was crap in my opinion but in one year it was rocking and taking the gaming world by storm
with the ps3 of course it is going to be on par with the 360 but the 360 has got almost to its full potential but with the ps3 the possibilities are endless.
Wii Innovation
Ps3 Multi-Media Power house
360 Cheaper weaker version of ps3
Remember his is not hattin on you other "fan boys" or other ad members but its jus my two cents and i think most people agree with me
Why make that investment now though? It's not like stocks or real estate where you have to take a risk to make good on your return. If the PS3 sucks right now but will be awesome in a year or two, why not wait until then to purchase it? It's not like the price is going to go up, as a matter of fact, it will probably be cheaper, and also, you'll probably get a better made system, and have great games to play.
I also don't understand how people say things like the 360 is maxed out or that it's a cheaper version of the PS3. The 360 has only been out for a year, what makes you think that it's maxed out, and why is it weaker than a PS3? I'm not disputing this, just wondering why people say these things when most technical articles have put the 2 systems on par with each other.[/quote]
I see your point and a good one when i was taliking about investments i didn't literally mean investments
true you can wait anywhere from 9 months to 2 yeras but you know what the ps2 is out for me
of course the price will drop on the ps3 but thats probably in one year
But u know what i know where your getting from but alreay i have the ps3 and i am happy with it. it jus kicks a$$.
waiting it out is well for suckers in this case it win win because you got something a whole lot better then what u had before.
So if your waiting it out because you want to see the ps3 potential then you are a sucker
Peace out[/quote]How would waiting it out make him a sucker?, wouldn't that make him smart since his not willing to put ?$600 down on something that could end up failing?.
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20. February 2007 @ 06:38 |
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why are there 3 slighly different posts from the same guy over a mild space of time?
anyways, i hate the 360 controller. it feels decent, but the analog stick placement is horrific and ghastly. i like the ps3 button and analog placement, but the shape needs to contour to your hand a bit more, or to have 2 models for different sized hands. after a few hours my fingers ache. but i own with it, i can take any fps an dominate it in superhuman or w/e is their hardest. its easier with the ps3 controller than the 360 controller for me by 5fold. i like the lack of rumble, i was playing ps2 and i was all "why is this shaking? d*mn it this is just annoying..whats all the fuss..?" because it take you out of the game because it brings you back into the room rather than in the battle feeling the attacts inside your mind. the sixaxis tilt needs to be utilized more though i'd say, its would seem pretty lame to most now because it hasnt been show to do much extravagent. but look at what lair has planned for it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lair_(video_game) and the other plans it has.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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20. February 2007 @ 07:20 |
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LAIR is going to be an amazing game no doubt.
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20. February 2007 @ 07:57 |
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i like the lack of rumble, i was playing ps2 and i was all "why is this shaking? d*mn it this is just annoying..whats all the fuss..?" because it take you out of the game because it brings you back into the room rather than in the battle feeling the attacts inside your mind.
I disagree. I think the rumble helps to bring you into the game. Not having rumble in games when you are shooting a weapon, getting hit, on a shaking ground, etc. brings me out of the game, if anything.
As for the sixaxis...I used to be a believer, but now I'm starting to think differently. How is it too different from the wii controller? What I mean is the whole "relaxing while playing" idea. Given, the amount of physical exertion used while playing the wii and the PS3 with the sixaxis is a lot less, but I think the concept still applies. However, I will still give Sony a chance to prove me wrong.
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20. February 2007 @ 09:18 |
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i deff. agree the rumble is a good feature at least i think i liked it when it shook when i shoot a gun or was hit or anything..
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BobbyBlu
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20. February 2007 @ 11:25 |
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I can't stand the 360 controller its not light weight like the sixaxis.Plus you hand sweat more with the 360 controller because look how big it is.Far as rumble i don't miss it plus rumble was getting old.
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CrisKahn2
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20. February 2007 @ 16:46 |
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I think rumble became second nature for me... like i expect it to happen when i get shot or get hit. I think the PS3 controller should have both rumble and six axis, but rumble diasbled when using six axis and vice versa.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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Johnnay5
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20. February 2007 @ 17:06 |
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Okay, I just need to add in my own little piece here.
Many of the criticisms that I have seen and read are not of the PS3, but of it's price, the producer, Sony, the limited collection of games since it's been out...two months, and numerous other things, but I've never really seen a review of just the console alone. Personally, I have all three. I harbor no bias towards any company, and always get most if not all of the systems in a console war for I am never disappointed.
I find the PS3 superior in sheer power and possibility. The PS3 is teeming with potential, which has yet to be recognized by the market. The high price scares some away, but for people who it does not, generally find themselves occupied with it for awhile, while some got it and pretty much put it aside for later, showing how they were not impressed. Again, not many realize it's potential.
Most people see Blu-ray as a downfall of the PS3, but I think it's power is unrecognized. I know you all have heard 'the statement', which is probably most abundant on the internet about consoles today, "I'd rather have gameplay over graphics." Most developers and publishers have responded with something along the lines of "SCREW YOU. You're getting both." If PS3 owners get 360 ports, then we end up with a nearly empty disc that can be filled much, much more. One reason I could care less about exclusives is that if they're being ported from the PS3 to the 360, I know that we have the better version. Why? Because we have more space for features, and if we even have more space, we may reduce loading times if we wish. And even after all that we probably still have another half of the disc left.
I could speak of examples all day, but I think the best comes personally, from my setup. I have a pretty small room. In it sits my laptop, and a dresser which acts more like my desk, containing all my next-gen systems plus X-Box, because of the compatibility issues with the 360. I have not had any problems with my systems so far. I have to use everything without wires because my computer is a floor down. With my setup I have games, movies, Blu-Rays, HD-DVDs, VHS, and nearly whatever else I want at my fingertips. Literally. I keep all my controllers under my bed so I can just turn everything on. But out of them all, it's the PS3 that let's me turn it on, go online to check my e-mail, respond, check the AD boards, post a bit, look up some codes or a guide for a game and then start the game. Wii comes close, but not as unrestricted as PS3's browser is, and 360..well, you know.
Plus, if the PS3 flops, you do still have a sweet looking space heater. ;-).
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21. February 2007 @ 08:54 |
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heres an article showing how the wii does make you get up and move around, and exactly how much engery is exherted compared to the 360 or ps3. i like to relax, not burn callories, whilst playing my games.
compared to resting, the ps3 or 360 give you 60% more callorie burning, and the wii gives you 156%. i guess the wii is better for having your little ones lose weight.
http://news.spong.com/article/11835?cb=154
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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21. February 2007 @ 11:56 |
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Alright I play games to have fun. Excersise is of LEAST concern when I play games. If I wanted to excersise and get healthy there are much BETTER alternatives. Alright fine make the arguement "but I want to play games, not go 'excercise'." That is a perfectly fine argument, but if you buy the wii to burn calories, you will soon realize "wow I can lose more calories running for half an hour then playing a couple hours of wii" Anubis not a personal shot at you or anything, but if you want your kids to lose weight, get them out, don't think the wii is going to solve problems. I would much rather kids go running outside for an hour a day then playing the wii for 3 hours a day
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21. February 2007 @ 13:17 |
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yeah but it the little things that add up. plus if they are gunna play alot, then it helps. either why im not one to exercise when i play. play=fun, work=boring
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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21. February 2007 @ 22:04 |
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Ok, i don't know why people would complain about the ps3 controller being light? I think it's better now that it's lighter than the ps2 and 360 controllers
Rumble is cool, but it would only make u recharge the controller's battery more often
My friend has a 360, i borrowed it one day to play street fighter 2 online, and i didn't like the 360 controller's d-pad for this game, it needs one like the ps3's d-pad. Also, the console froze several times while playing the aforementioned game, which is why i decided not to buy a 360.
I've played Resistance online for many hours straight (at least 6) and freezing issues have never arised
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22. February 2007 @ 08:25 |
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There's just something about holding a controller that has some weight. If it's too light it feels cheap..and yeah. Maybe I'm just not used to it.
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22. February 2007 @ 09:51 |
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you need to disassociate with the fact that heavy means good. is the pong machine good compared to the ps3? who weights more? i think we all know the answers. with progression and time, newer and ligher, more composite materials appear. the ps3 controller, being light, prevent aches from gaming alot. would you like to walk a few miles around with boots or lightweight running shoes? i though so. and talking about cheap? the wii is the cheaps low-level object. it cost nintendo around 150 or less to make. they are raking in fanboy cash and idiot cash.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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22. February 2007 @ 10:58 |
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with progression and time, newer and ligher, more composite materials appear.
And also, sometimes the progression of time and lawsuits result in missing materials alltogether. I bet that's part of the weight difference.
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the ps3 controller, being light, prevent aches from gaming alot.
I think the ergonomical design of a controller is much more important than the weight.
Like distributing less than 10 ounces is really a strain on the hand and arm muscles...
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and talking about cheap? the wii is the cheaps low-level object.
True. It's the least expensive new console.
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it cost nintendo around 150 or less to make. they are raking in fanboy cash and idiot cash.
After total cost of goods sold, Nintendo is quoted to be making less than 40 dollars per unit. Source article below.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/wii/wii-autopsy...cost-221736.php
But you're right. Why spend 250 dollars on a product that, at least until tomorrow, has been critically acclaimed across the world?
Why did the ps2 outsellthe 360 and ps3 in January, even though it is dirt cheap? More fanboys and idiots?
Hardly.
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22. February 2007 @ 19:19 |
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Well for me atleast for me, it all depends on the game I'm playing(controller wise). I can't play certain games on 360, to me it just doesn't feel right (gta,all sports,racing and fighting games).I feel that the 360 controller was meant for fps games, althought I don't mind playing fps on ps3, if the game is on ps3, which I don't mind waiting on (rainbow6 vegas, and oblivion) becuase I think ps3 games will enable the sixaxis and will give it that uniqueness to it plus graphic IMO.
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22. February 2007 @ 20:34 |
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I find the ps3 much like the ps2 is a great platform for 3rd person shooters, I do agree with you that the 360's setup does work better for fps atm though.
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oofRome
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23. February 2007 @ 11:22 |
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Originally posted by Noamos:
Well for me atleast for me, it all depends on the game I'm playing(controller wise). I can't play certain games on 360, to me it just doesn't feel right (gta,all sports,racing and fighting games) IMO.
There's just something about the smaller, symetrical dualshock 2 that doesn't suit my fancy. I think the two analog sticks placed where they are only work well for katamari or something.
None of the controllers are bad, so yeah, to each his own.
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23. February 2007 @ 16:10 |
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Originally posted by Noamos:
I don't mind playing fps on ps3, if the game is on ps3, which I don't mind waiting on (rainbow6 vegas, and oblivion) becuase I think ps3 games will enable the sixaxis and will give it that uniqueness to it plus graphic IMO.
Doesn't look like Oblivion is going to use sixaxis:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/765/765378p1.html
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IGN: Did you ever think about including SIXAXIS motion support?
Pete Hines: We didn't think about doing anything with the SIXAXIS stuff. We just wanted to make sure it played well and doing something new with the SIXAXIS just wasn't even necessary. Obviously if we ever have a game that would work well with the SIXAXIS then we would consider using it? but that wasn't an option for Oblivion.
IGN: What do you think about SIXAXIS?
Pete Hines: I think that its value depends upon the game. It didn't make sense on Oblivion but I'm sure there are some games it does make sense on. To be honest I would rather have the rumble instead of the SIXAXIS motion stuff.
IGN: Why's that?
Pete Hines: Well, I never owned a Sony console before now. I went straight from SEGA to Xbox, with a lot of PC gaming in between. I just never really had a reason to buy a Sony console. I mean, I played on one at my friend's house but I never felt the need to buy one. Everything I wanted to play was on Xbox. That meant I've really gotten used to having that rumble there when you play a game. When you get hit or if you crash a car it's nice to have that feedback. Likewise, when you're playing Oblivion it's nice to feel the weapons connecting with an opponent, so the absence of the rumble is notable when playing Elder Scrolls.
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24. February 2007 @ 04:55 |
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I don't mind playing fps on ps3, if the game is on ps3, which I don't mind waiting on (rainbow6 vegas, and oblivion) becuase I think ps3 games will enable the sixaxis and will give it that uniqueness to it plus graphic IMO.
Doesn't look like Oblivion is going to use sixaxis:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/765/765378p1.html
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IGN: Did you ever think about including SIXAXIS motion support?
Pete Hines: We didn't think about doing anything with the SIXAXIS stuff. We just wanted to make sure it played well and doing something new with the SIXAXIS just wasn't even necessary. Obviously if we ever have a game that would work well with the SIXAXIS then we would consider using it? but that wasn't an option for Oblivion.
IGN: What do you think about SIXAXIS?
Pete Hines: I think that its value depends upon the game. It didn't make sense on Oblivion but I'm sure there are some games it does make sense on. To be honest I would rather have the rumble instead of the SIXAXIS motion stuff.
IGN: Why's that?
Pete Hines: Well, I never owned a Sony console before now. I went straight from SEGA to Xbox, with a lot of PC gaming in between. I just never really had a reason to buy a Sony console. I mean, I played on one at my friend's house but I never felt the need to buy one. Everything I wanted to play was on Xbox. That meant I've really gotten used to having that rumble there when you play a game. When you get hit or if you crash a car it's nice to have that feedback. Likewise, when you're playing Oblivion it's nice to feel the weapons connecting with an opponent, so the absence of the rumble is notable when playing Elder Scrolls.
huh, interesting. Well atleast it's better graphicly and will have added features that I would have to buy on he 360.
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CrisKahn2
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24. February 2007 @ 14:47 |
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To me the 360 controller fits nicely into ur hands...but it is far from flawless. The R and L shoulder buttons are misplaced imo. They are too high on the controller. Since you use your middle fingers to press the R and L triggers.... it is very awqward to use ur index on the small/slender and highly placed shoulder buttons.
The PS2 and PS3 controller to me plays a little better because the L1 R1 L2 R2 buttons are placed perfectly on top and is big and not slender, which makes it easy to reach and feels more comfortable.
Plus the D-pad on the 360 is harder to use since its swapped with the Analog compared with the PS2 and PS3.... Yes the higer analog on the 360 is good for fps but thats not the only kind of games that excist on the 360.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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