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Yet Another Console Debate Thread.
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17. January 2007 @ 23:17 |
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in honor of the large and long living thread i started that for some unknown reson was closed out of no where because of some noobs.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/364673
so basically same as always, stay on topic and discuss the ps3, xbox 360, and wii and whats going on in their worlds and in your mind over them.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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18. January 2007 @ 01:35 |
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You do know that there is a high chance of this getting closed even without off topic etc because now these threads have a bad rep, well always had but now even more beceause one just got closed I dditn help in any of that to let you know,I told them that its offtopic talking bout batman and the answer I got was its Hd DVD vs Blu-ray
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18. January 2007 @ 04:45 |
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Well anubis lets hope your influence can keep this one open as well.
Anyways straight to topic.
Here are a couple question for debate that have been previously debated:
Will ps3 be the winning factor in the BRD HD=DVD war? And what role if any will 360's HD-DVD drive play?
Considering new sales figures and statements from both side alone with the announcement of the 51GB tripple layer HD-DVD, i found it appropriate to restart the debate
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18. January 2007 @ 05:26 |
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"The emergence of a single, high-definition format is cause for consumers, as well as the entire entertainment industry, to celebrate."
-Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Home Entertainment Feb 19, 2008
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18. January 2007 @ 06:42 |
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I'm going to start off by saying what most of us already know. This thread should be kept to facts, links, and if you've got a personal reason to which console you prefer, for pete's sakes... list your reasons why in a polite manner. We don't need any "believe me when I say XXX is going to win because it's freakin awsome, man" type of threads.
I've found many articles which pretty much come to the same conclusion. They're saying games on Blu-ray right now may hurt the ps3. None of this is my work, I'm just providing some links.
http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/110..._Is_Slower.html
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/1/17/6658
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18. January 2007 @ 06:58 |
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excellent articles bhetrick.
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johnblaze
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18. January 2007 @ 08:53 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
I'm going to start off by saying what most of us already know. This thread should be kept to facts, links, and if you've got a personal reason to which console you prefer, for pete's sakes... list your reasons why in a polite manner. We don't need any "believe me when I say XXX is going to win because it's freakin awsome, man" type of threads.
I've found many articles which pretty much come to the same conclusion. They're saying games on Blu-ray right now may hurt the ps3. None of this is my work, I'm just providing some links.
http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/110..._Is_Slower.html
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/1/17/6658
Good articles, I've heard the load times arguments before but nobody except for oofRome ever had any real numbers to back it up.
Edit: To fix the quotes and give due
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oofRome
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18. January 2007 @ 09:43 |
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I cited the chronicled article from the second link a while ago. No one payed attention to me.
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johnblaze
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18. January 2007 @ 11:01 |
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Originally posted by oofRome:
I cited the chronicled article from the second link a while ago. No one payed attention to me.
:'(
I'm sorry, I fixed my previous post :)
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18. January 2007 @ 13:17 |
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The majority of consumers look at the ps3 in one of two ways:
- it's an excellent deal (price wise) for a blu ray movie player
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- it's overpriced for a gaming console.
Sony had a HUGE fanbase with the ps2. But it was a GAMER fanbase. The Blu-ray seems to be adding more problems than it's worth right now.
- it pushed back the launch by a year
- it upped the cost of the console
- games run slower
The idea of Blu-ray is great. 50 gigs and the copy protection. It's because of the copy protection that most of the movie industry backs it. But again, that helps the MOVIE industry, not us gamers. And 50 gigs won't help much if the developers have to use the extra space for 2x and 3x the data for some games to run.
Maybe if Sony would let some developers release games on dvd9's.
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18. January 2007 @ 17:30 |
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the blu ray is great for the space, but load times indeed suck. why dont more games install to the hdd? or atleast cache more than they do? thp8 on ps3 is the slowest game i've ever known on a console to date.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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18. January 2007 @ 21:21 |
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Please dont tell me that Ps3 load times are slower then Psp's?
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19. January 2007 @ 05:17 |
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Wow load times are you serious? How many games have been made that have horrible load time....many and on MANY systems it's not always the media it always comes back to the programmers and how lazy they are. This might be a bad/poor example but it does the job, if standard DVD is faster than BD then why does a game like Splinter Cell Double Agent for the original Xbox have some horrendous load times? Lots of info? True, maybe I don't know but then why doesn't the "speed" of it being on a DVD help it?
People will look at what they want and stick to it no matter who says what, that is why I can't stand topics like this. The fact is the PS3 has made the BD-DVD base larger than HD-DVD and will get much larger when launched in Europe. I am not saying the PS3 will win or BD but as a business what would you rather sell a movie on something that MAYBE has a low hundred thousands customer base or low millions? Although this could all be a moot point if True DVD (BD/HD-DVD combo) takes off...
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19. January 2007 @ 05:46 |
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Good point when you look at it that way. Looking at the BIG picture, where will Sony make more money.... with movies or games?
Movies would be the correct answer. So, in all reality, they made an affordable movie player which you can also play games on. If that's the case and they want to push more movies, then in all fairness they should've retired the "Playstation" name and gave it something else. The playstation has always been known as a gaming console.
They've amassed a HUGE fanbase with the ps2 (yes, I'm one). Calling this new unit a playstation 3 could be seen as just a ploy to suck in that fanbase to sell more of their movie players.
The movie industry is huge. The gaming industry is huge. It seems Sony is trying to merge the both. And what's happening is they're losing fans from the gaming side.
There main focus on the ps3 should be gaming.
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19. January 2007 @ 07:19 |
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Sorry for going off topic but it was going on for 2 pages it wasn't just me who was chatting about comic book convertions.
I didnt see the comment from the jobsworth about closing the thread so all i can say is sorry bout that.
I think u was a edited for content to close it.
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19. January 2007 @ 08:05 |
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Looks like this one might get closed too...again by one of the same people that got the other one closed.
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johnblaze
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19. January 2007 @ 08:14 |
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I don't see anything wrong with discussing load times on a game console comparison thread, I mean, everything else gets picked apart, at least this has something to do with actual gaming.
Anyways, about the Splinter Cell thing, I think the original xbox had like a 5X dvd drive and the 360 has a 12X, so the newer dvd drive should be much faster now.
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19. January 2007 @ 08:46 |
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Good point when you look at it that way. Looking at the BIG picture, where will Sony make more money.... with movies or games?
Movies would be the correct answer.
Sony Pictures has a TON of competitors in the movie production market. Sony electronics has a TON of competitors in the movie playback market. It has only 2 others in the video game market. The VG market is coming close to movie in terms of sales, and Sony had a HUGE lead in the video game market. Using the ps3 to generate movie revenue was an obvious choice, but it seems like the way they went about it alienated their original playstation user base, which may quite possibly be the worst decision Sony will ever make.
In short, I agree with bhetreck.
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People will look at what they want and stick to it no matter who says what, that is why I can't stand topics like this.
True. But it's the same in any debate (political, scientific, religious, etc).
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The fact is the PS3 has made the BD-DVD base larger than HD-DVD and will get much larger when launched in Europe. I am not saying the PS3 will win or BD but as a business what would you rather sell a movie on something that MAYBE has a low hundred thousands customer base or low millions?
Like I said, the obvious choice was to use their commanding lead in the video game market to increase revenue in other divisions.
Making a 600 dollar playstation that, for all intents and purposes, appeals to only the tech elite may not have been the best way to go about it.
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Although this could all be a moot point if True DVD (BD/HD-DVD combo) takes off...
And I could be eating my own words if PS3 sales pick up...
All the more reason to keep this thing open. :-)
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19. January 2007 @ 23:45 |
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id like to see where sony says their system is a bluray player with gaming capabilities. it seems more like what it really is, a computer entertainment system. to call it a blu ray player with other options is insane. bluray playback is such a small amount of all that the system does and can do, and a controller like it has doesnt seem optimum for movie playing.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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20. January 2007 @ 01:35 |
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and a controller like it
I have to say the Wii has a much better controler and practically only a Fanboy would say it dosent I know Im not a fanboy if i wa sid have nintendo posters or sony posters all over my room and say that the Wii has better graphics then the Ps3 saying that teh Ps3 ocntolrer is better then the Wii's contrer is like saying that.
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20. January 2007 @ 10:15 |
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i loathe the wiimote simply because its so different and hard to get used to. also, i overheat after some madden or a little cod3. i generally dont want to feel tired when i game, i like relaxing. cod3 on wii sucks, this shaking excessivly to beat someone and not being told how to do it adaquately, and steering vehicles with the 2 controller parts when only one is needed (one that aches your hand so bad tilting your wrist that way so much). i like the sixaxis much more than the lame sensor bar, you dont have to be up all over the place in many games. if the ps3 can relax me, i can have loads of fun with it, all while looking better doing it, whats not to lose?
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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20. January 2007 @ 10:16 |
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(wow does my router ever blow)
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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20. January 2007 @ 10:35 |
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But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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20. January 2007 @ 13:34 |
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the wii is a party console ... not really great individually,unlike 360 and PS3.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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20. January 2007 @ 14:08 |
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well this was me and my friends wii and we were playing together. another thing about the wii is if you dont own one, many games are off limits to you because the motion sensing is in no way intuitive without going through training and getting used to how a certain game works. i was thrown into madden for the wii and first being told how to kick off and what button dives, while my friend jumps up for interceptions, thrusts for a power tackle, stiff arms me for a kickoff touchdown. people say the ps3 and xbox controllers confuse people, but when a german comes from knowhere and starts beating you to hell and you have a wiimote with no buttons and your confused and frightend, death is around the corner so fast and failure is the only option. the the ps3 and xbox 360, i cant jump into any game and figure out all the controlls by myself in minutes, with no problem. the wii is a totally different story.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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