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The Official GT4 Thread
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crowy
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6. May 2005 @ 10:33 |
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@lhys09915,
Yes.
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ChinkyEYE
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6. May 2005 @ 10:35 |
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GT4 no problem for me too.
NEC ND-6100A patched to ND-6500A Dual Layer
Ritek 2.4x Dual Layer DVD+R
Toxic Patch
Dvd Decrypter
made image, patched iso, burned. Worked fine in my matrix infinity clone (NH9), v12 slim ps2.
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crowy
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6. May 2005 @ 10:36 |
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The loading times with the backup are slightly longer than the original.
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RemyK313
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6. May 2005 @ 14:42 |
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That's expected of backups. It's usually due to media and burning speed.
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speccyfan
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6. May 2005 @ 14:49 |
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got to hand it to those guys at toxic,the patch is a rock,works absolutely flawlessly with a dms3,christ knows what sort of setup they have but they certainly know their shiznit.
as for dvd5?,flog your existing burner to your mate who's just bought a pc and don't know jack about them(sl burning'll do him for now!!),put the 30'odd quid towards a dual layer burner (uk price £55)
buy a dvdr dl(£3.50 in store/£5.00 online),copy your original with dvd-decrypter,apply toxic dl 1.0 patch,burn onto dvdr-dl(at lowest speed and remembering to change the book type to dvd-rom),and hey presto!,it's worth the investment as it'll save a lot of hassle in the future as the patch works for all dvdr-dl games, and gt4 is such a good game to lose features/video quality just to dvd5 it,and as for swap magic.....buy version 3.6,is has dvdr-dl support(should've bought a mod chip!).Think toxic were just waiting for everyone else to catch up to release the patch as i'm sure the other mod-chip's were aching to get their hands on the hack,these programmers are the link to stopping massive company's ripping off the public by consumer manipulation and we should support them until the end(when sony/microsoft own the air we breath and we can't take a crap without paying them!!)
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alecocr20
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6. May 2005 @ 15:14 |
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this patch will work will all the new game like gt4
aLeCo
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6. May 2005 @ 17:33 |
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@alecocr20 Toxic say that this patch will work with all Dual Layer games. Expect to see lots more of these as games get bigger and better. Sony certainly knew what they were doing when they brought this one out! I would have thought they probably knew it would be hacked eventually. Most likely they just wanted to make sure there wasn't a pre-release leak as seems to be the norm with most new games now.
You gotta admire Toxic though. This is a excellent patch. As for dvd5, why bother? If sony does move towards more DL games you're all gonna need to get a DL Writer anyway!
For those who have asked about burning, THE only way to get a reliable read and burn for PS2 is with DVD Decrypter (I challenge you to find better!). You need to select "ISO READ" or "ISO WRITE" from the "MODE" menu. I haven't found the read speed to be hugely important, but the write speed should be kept low to get a good burn. If your burner doesn't behave how it should, try a firmware update before you consign it to the dustbin. See http://www.rpc1.org for current firmwares, but don't upgrade unecessarily as you could damage your writer or invalidate your guarantee. I have to say that since I upgraded mine I've gained DL capabilities and doubled the speed of movie burning so it can be a good thing.
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RemyK313
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6. May 2005 @ 19:31 |
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Why bother for DVD5?
For Swap Magic users.
If you guys had been following the thread (or at least read a few of the last pages) the reason this is all being done is for people who are using Swap Magic. Not only that, but to figure out what kind of protection is being implemented on GT4, as well as what changes in the transition from DVD5 to DVD9. Also, to find out what it was that Toxic did to change all of this. Sure they may have released a patcher, but nobody knows why it works, only that it does.
Swap Magic is a solution that works for a lot of people. It's the cheapest (as little as $30 USD for an entire set) and also the easiest to set up (installing a fliptop, which is the hardest Swap Magic mod to implement, usually takes no more than 15 minutes) If you think it's a hassle to swap a disc ONCE, then you really should be using a hard drive to play all your games.
And before you say "Just buy a chip" remember that buying and installing a chip is really a hassle for most people. It costs about 2/3 of what the system originally cost, it's a bother to get someone else to do it for you, and not many people are able or willing to do it on their own.
Besides, there are literally hundreds of games on the PS2 that are DVD5... there are less than a dozen that are Dual-Layered. Upgrading a DVD burner, or an entire console JUST to be able to play a handful of games is something most people aren't willing to do just for the sake of backing up a few games. Especially when you consider that most of the DVD9 games are easily backed up if they're rebuilt and have garbage data removed.
However, I do think people should have dual-layer burners. For backing up movies and more conventional data, but it's still a lot more cost-efficient to back up data/movies on 2 DVD5s than it is on one DVD9.
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Physique
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6. May 2005 @ 20:37 |
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Can someone post a step by step instruction guide to backing up the game. Using pictures is possible.
Thanks
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samuels
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6. May 2005 @ 21:35 |
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And before you say "Just buy a chip" remember that buying and installing a chip is really a hassle for most people. It costs about 2/3 of what the system originally cost, it's a bother to get someone else to do it for you, and not many people are able or willing to do it on their own.
Besides, there are literally hundreds of games on the PS2 that are DVD5... there are less than a dozen that are Dual-Layered. Upgrading a DVD burner, or an entire console JUST to be able to play a handful of games is something most people aren't willing to do just for the sake of backing up a few games. Especially when you consider that most of the DVD9 games are easily backed up if they're rebuilt and have garbage data removed.
However, I do think people should have dual-layer burners. For backing up movies and more conventional data, but it's still a lot more cost-efficient to back up data/movies on 2 DVD5s than it is on one DVD9. [Quote]
well it's more reliable,i mean in turn of being able to play back ups,and the price is no where near what you say to buy one or even have them installed proffessionally.
the trend is now happening,games coming out on dvd9"s so it's worth having a dual layer burner,i stated at some stage in this forum,it is cheaper now in purchasing a d/l burner,i didn't realise they were as cheap as AU$89.00,as pointed out by a fellow ozzie,so for cost effectiveness theres nothing to it,you can still do your dvd5"s as well,dual layer blank media is continually dropping in price as more of their competitors enter the d/l market.you made a statement of you would rather 2 discs(movie-dvd9) why?? when you can put it on to a dvd5,you lose minimal quality using the newer compression software.
i'd rather anything on one disc,you may like to call it laziness,i call it convenient.you are going to have to face it :) thats how all these popular games are going to go dvd9,until the blu ray,etc comes out.
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tom21014
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6. May 2005 @ 23:42 |
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i wonder what blu ray burners and media will cost and how long it will take the aftermarket to develop mods for the ps3. i for one will not buy any of it until the prices of all of it drops to a reasonable level. also it is hard to say what programs will be able to back up the original. the potential of the ps2 was not fully utilized so i do not see the point in the ps3. i just ordered swap magic 3.6 and i cannot wait until it gets here from hong kong to america. i am glad to hear it works with dual layer games and also has some usb hdd capability. i hope it works better then i hear usb extreme does.
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Jupu1
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7. May 2005 @ 03:23 |
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Everybody is saying that swap magic 3.6 works with dual layer disks? Is it true? so if i backup gt4 with toxic patch, can i play it with sw3.6??
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alecocr20
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7. May 2005 @ 04:45 |
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do the gt4 backup works with not modded ps2?
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sed8ed
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7. May 2005 @ 04:58 |
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@alecocr20
I do believe you require a mod chip 2 play....
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cdillon
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7. May 2005 @ 07:07 |
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I don't know anything about GTA 4- I don't own it and I've never even played it. But I did burn God of War to a DL disc last night and it seemed to work fine. The game is almost 8GB.
I used DVD Decryptor to create an iso and then I burned the iso with DVD Decryptor on a Verbatim DL in my BenQ burner. I have the Messiah chip- had it for about a year and a half.
Just my two cents. I only played God of War for about 15 minutes but the PS2 didn't have any problems with it.
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lhys09915
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7. May 2005 @ 08:30 |
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if messiah1 reads dl dvds then messiah2 1.33b should also.
i have waisted more verbs and ritek with no luck.
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jamestodd
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7. May 2005 @ 10:50 |
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From what I understand:
1. Make and ISO with DVD decrypter
2. Flash the iso
3. Burn the flashed ISO to a DL dvd+r?
For step 3 is there any settings we have to adjust on DVD Decrypter or do you just do the normal, iso write? Also for step 2 after you flash the iso file is that it? Burn that file? Because in previous posts for another technique there was suggestions to flash the iso, then mount it and make a iso of the mounted files.
I would appreciate it greatly if someone could clarify. Thanks guys
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tom21014
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7. May 2005 @ 11:41 |
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@jamestodd. only need to burn the virtual iso if you already made a dl coaster of gt4 to make a dvd 5 to make it work, saving another dvd9 if you have a mod chip. otherwise create the iso with dvdd apply the toxic patch then burn the image with dvdd if you have a mod chip in your ps2.
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shady76
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7. May 2005 @ 12:26 |
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7. May 2005 @ 13:51 |
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£35 for an NEC is absolutely spot on!
As for the Swap Magic issue, has anybody with SM tried booting with the virtual image made dvd5 referred to earlier? I only ask this because not a lot seems to have been mentioned about this and our SM brethren deserve as much help as us with modchips.
Another question... tom21014 mentioned that SM 3.6 was DL compatible. Is this confirmed?
On the subject of modchips, they're getting cheaper all the time. Even if you think that the likes of DMS are beyond your finances (About forty quid in uk money but your gonna have to pay for shipping from abroad 'cos they're not legally sold here.) there's plenty of cheap alternatives. Beware though, you get what you pay for!
My opinions come with no warranty whatsoever, but are totally open-source, so you can reverse engineer or decompile them as you see fit. All other rights reserved.
"Freedom" in the west consists of: Freedom of speech, freedom of opinion and freedom of movement. So why is it then, that people want to know what youre saying, what you think of them and where you are going?
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speccyfan
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7. May 2005 @ 16:31 |
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the official verdict from swap magic 3.6 is that it won't work with 'certain'dual layer games as the toc is so large,i wouldn't risk losing 30 quid on it,not sure how swap magic works but i assume it just loads a basic generic boot code into the system memory which will start a game which is why they've gotta keep updating it,and i don't think they can get the allocation in the ps2 system memory to store the size of the code needed to run a dvd9(which is why the dms3 didn't have enough space)and mod chips have built in flash which bypass certain parts of the ps2 bios/drive/vid-decoder and run the patch continuosly,i would think after just bringing out a new version(that doesn't feature gt4 in the compatiblity list)swap magic will never be able to do dvd9 because of the memory issues,anyway,soldering's fun,get a mod-chip,it's only 25 wires of which you need eyes of an eagle and a surgeon's hand(or you could opt for the rather chunky easy install version!),be warned though,you have to go on the web site for install instructions cos they don't come with the chip and make it a pretty good job,if you don't the ps7'll be out before you get it to work!!,think of it as one of lifes little accomplishments(unless you f&%k it up!!haha)
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RemyK313
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7. May 2005 @ 20:28 |
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It's not that there's not enough memory, it's just that no one figured it out till recently. No one was really demanding Dual-Layer support until GT4 came out.
As for the Swap Magic solution. L-Burna adamantly stands by the thought that Swap Magic doesn't come printed on a DVD9 (it doesn't) and because of that, it won't recognize the second layer of a disc, even if you TOC Refresh with an original Dual-Layer game (Like Xenosaga). 007PSTwo has heard rumors that the patch, in conjunction with Swap Magic, and a dual-layer TOC refresh might work, and that he's going to try it out.
We can only wait.
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omezzy
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7. May 2005 @ 21:53 |
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how do u change the book type when burning on a dual layer disc it says current profile DVD+R DL i cant change it to dvd-rom i need help anyone know how to step by step???
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Davv111
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7. May 2005 @ 23:00 |
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Another question... tom21014 mentioned that SM 3.6 was DL compatible. Is this confirmed?
What's this I hear people talking about GT4 patched with toxic DL 1.0 patch will work with SM 3.6? can someone comfirm this quickly.
How would this possilbe? a refreash TOC maybe?
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tom21014
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7. May 2005 @ 23:58 |
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i have heard that the toxic patch and swap magic 3.6 will work but i need more confirmation. i do not see why it would not. i wonder if it will work with the patch on a usb hdd using swap magic 3.6 and the toxic patch. at least with the 3.6 version you can have two tries for the price of one. for version 1-11 there is a solderless dms4 modchip though i have heard that it is not too easy to install. i would like to start using a usb hdd because i think that will extend the life of my v7 ps2. i leave it on for weeks at a time which does not hurt the laser because that only comes on when it has too but the disc remains spinning which will one day wear out the traction motor. i believe they have a 50,000 hour service life like the built in fan. maybe by then there will be a good emulator and i can play the games on my pc which will hopefully need software and not any mods.
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